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Post by richardrc on Sept 9, 2016 18:27:55 GMT -5
It will fit, there is already a rendering of the output board in another thread straight from PCB design software. The output jacks are very tightly arranged. Nice mock up btw. Note: Actually, from what I can tell, Emotiva's own drawing of the RMC-1 is a bit of a stretch trying to get all 16 XLR's and the power cord plug across the bottom. I couldn't do it using an actual XMC-1 image. I'm not sure it would all fit in reality.Cheers --- Bonzo  |
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Post by lesliew on Sept 9, 2016 21:17:21 GMT -5
No 9.1.6, thats a little disappointing.
3 sub outputs when there is only 1 LFE channel - whats with that
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Post by yves on Sept 9, 2016 21:46:56 GMT -5
No 9.1.6, thats a little disappointing. 3 sub outputs when there is only 1 LFE channel - whats with that Todd Welti did extensive research on multiple individually EQ'd subs at Harman, to find out how to get the best bass response out of a room (mostly while focusing on seat-to-seat variations within a seating area), which has led to a technique called Sound Field Management. The Earl Geddes approach to multiple subs initially didn't include the "individually EQ'd" part, but nowadays it does. Dirac Unison will also be capable to address multiple subs as multiple subs instead of addressing them as a single, giant sub. Am I the only guy who notices a trend with regards to using multiple subs, or some people are still sleeping? |
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Post by lesliew on Sept 9, 2016 21:52:11 GMT -5
^^^
8 subs here
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Post by yves on Sept 9, 2016 22:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by junchoon on Sept 9, 2016 22:43:35 GMT -5
External module is not new. But double the price and u still need ext module?
For 2ch, I think ext module an overkill, I will just get a dedicated pre w ht bypass. Xsp-1 seems good choice. I need two xlr inputs while rmc and xmc 1 have one
Emotiva is primarily a direct selling company. The price is usually fixed with a discount thrown in from time to time. The street price is not that far from list price.
The assumption is that for a street price of usd5000+/- the competition can't catch up. (Psst, check out what happens to Nokia)
We will see what happens in a 12 to 18 months.
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Post by yves on Sept 9, 2016 22:53:37 GMT -5
8 subs will get you MORE bass for sure, but those who are in the market for BETTER bass are probably going to want to be given the choice between a Dual Bass Array and something akin to Sound Field Management / the Geddes multi-sub approach. So I want to see 4 sub outputs on the RMC-1, to be able to at least comply with the Todd Welti / Allan Devantier types of multi-sub configurations. |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 9, 2016 23:05:54 GMT -5
I wonder if the illustration was covertly put into the forum to get idea's of what we think should be included on this unit. If so we are going at it slightly wrong but still being helpful. I mean think about it, looks to still be some sort of CAD design or whatever they use. I'd like to have: (Analog Outputs) 4 sub outs, along with at least 2 unbalanced outputs in addition to zone 2 outputs. All other unablanced can stay. (Digital Outputs) Hdmi ports are acceptable, Coaxial and toslink are acceptable Bonzo make your list. |
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Post by yves on Sept 9, 2016 23:28:02 GMT -5
(Psst, check out what happens to Nokia) I currently do own a Nokia Lumia 625, but, unlike many, I don't listen to music through a phone so not sure what's your point.  |
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Post by yves on Sept 9, 2016 23:39:24 GMT -5
I wonder if the illustration was covertly put into the forum to get idea's of what we think should be included on this unit. Nothing covert about it, in fact it's there in plain sight...  |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 9, 2016 23:49:08 GMT -5
I wonder if the illustration was covertly put into the forum to get idea's of what we think should be included on this unit. Nothing covert about it, in fact it's there in plain sight... Lol, you know what I meant hahaha. Thoughts? What would you like changed on the RMC-1? |
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Post by skiman1 on Sept 10, 2016 0:49:23 GMT -5
I think it was a smart move to leave out a phono stage. This is supposed to be their reference channel processor. If anyone is spending upwards of $5,000 on a processor and is also into vinyl has likely already spent a great deal of oney on their turntable & standalone phono stage. +1 |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 10, 2016 0:53:37 GMT -5
I think it was a smart move to leave out a phono stage. This is supposed to be their reference channel processor. If anyone is spending upwards of $5,000 on a processor and is also into vinyl has likely already spent a great deal of oney on their turntable & standalone phono stage. +1 +1 |
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Post by yves on Sept 10, 2016 1:09:23 GMT -5
Nothing covert about it, in fact it's there in plain sight... Lol, you know what I meant hahaha. Thoughts? What would you like changed on the RMC-1? User-definable channel routing and mixing matrix would be nice. Also, MQA decoding (and assorted DAC section), as well as optional Auro-3D decoding should be included because IMO it is in so many ways superior to Atmos (notably the sound quality, even if "merely" using the upmixing feature of Auro-3D to convert Atmos to Auro-3D, and the fact that, for practical reasons and WAFnot, not everyone likes the concept of installing in-ceiling/on-ceiling or upfiring height speakers, which is still something that can be avoided with Auro-3D because it lets you use wall mounted height speakers). |
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Post by cwt on Sept 10, 2016 3:41:38 GMT -5
I wonder if the illustration was covertly put into the forum to get idea's of what we think should be included on this unit. If so we are going at it slightly wrong but still being helpful. I mean think about it, looks to still be some sort of CAD design or whatever they use. Maybe that ship has sailed considering all the suggestions put forward in the other RMC1 thread already would have been scrutinised ; then again technology doesnt stand still and emo has showed a welcome propensity to incorporate the very latest tech with atmos and dts-x and modularity is a given . Maybe the current design already has the option of configuring some lf outputs as ceilings ; this would be nice  |
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Post by vneal on Sept 10, 2016 7:46:06 GMT -5
2 subs here
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Post by adaboy on Sept 10, 2016 9:25:02 GMT -5
Lol, you know what I meant hahaha. Thoughts? What would you like changed on the RMC-1? User-definable channel routing and mixing matrix would be nice. Also, MQA decoding (and assorted DAC section), as well as optional Auro-3D decoding should be included because IMO it is in so many ways superior to Atmos (notably the sound quality, even if "merely" using the upmixing feature of Auro-3D to convert Atmos to Auro-3D, and the fact that, for practical reasons and WAFnot, not everyone likes the concept of installing in-ceiling/on-ceiling or upfiring height speakers, which is still something that can be avoided with Auro-3D because it lets you use wall mounted height speakers). Hmm good point on MQA, initially I was thinking I could care less about the built in dac for 2 ch audio as I like to use my own. I figured they were on the same page but since there are so many digital inputs that there must be a killer dac installed. I'm just not sold on MQA due to the DSD debacle. If it included then that would be a plus. Not familiar with Auro-3d but I do have in ceiling speakers ready to go for Atmos, however I can see that they aren't practical for everyone. Why not have both? |
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Post by yves on Sept 11, 2016 1:21:11 GMT -5
User-definable channel routing and mixing matrix would be nice. Also, MQA decoding (and assorted DAC section), as well as optional Auro-3D decoding should be included because IMO it is in so many ways superior to Atmos (notably the sound quality, even if "merely" using the upmixing feature of Auro-3D to convert Atmos to Auro-3D, and the fact that, for practical reasons and WAFnot, not everyone likes the concept of installing in-ceiling/on-ceiling or upfiring height speakers, which is still something that can be avoided with Auro-3D because it lets you use wall mounted height speakers). Hmm good point on MQA, initially I was thinking I could care less about the built in dac for 2 ch audio as I like to use my own. I figured they were on the same page but since there are so many digital inputs that there must be a killer dac installed. I'm just not sold on MQA due to the DSD debacle. If it included then that would be a plus. Not familiar with Auro-3d but I do have in ceiling speakers ready to go for Atmos, however I can see that they aren't practical for everyone. Why not have both? In the purely mathematical sense, PCM is what caused the DSD debacle. I.e., Sony abandoned DSD only some months after Stanley. P. Lipshitz and John Vanderkooy presented conclusive maths evidence to show that a 1-bit quantizer cannot be dithered in such way that all quantization distortion will be removed by the dither process. That is, the audio channel will be fully saturated with noise after you try. The evidence in question remains conclusive to date. Nobody has ever been able to refute it without driving into serious anti-science territory. So you either have to live with quantization distortion (which, ironically on top of that, is digital in nature........), or move away from the 1-bit digital audio that is known as "DSD". Contrary to popular belief, there's absolutely nothing "analog" about DSD. That's just because it uses sampling in conjunction with quantization. Just because the quantizer required to be able to output DSD data happens to be 1-bit, as opposed to 16-bit or 24-bit, doesn't make it "less digital", let alone makes it analog. Like peeling an orange also doesn't make it "less fruit". An analog signal is continuous. Sampling used in conjuction with quantization, is what converts it from continuous to discrete. To help mitigate the audibility of the distortion inherent of DSD, some tricks can be applied. Like, give up ~30 dB dynamic range, and then call THAT "superior" to PCM whilst conveniently not looking at file sizes and consequential data rates. This is one important part of the picture where MQA comes in, i.e., it comes in by solving the problem of increased data rates and still be able to use very high sampling frequencies in order to avoid both aggressive (steep / "brickwall") anti-alias digital filters and aggressive (steep / "brickwall") digital reconstruction filters. The audible ringing artifacts resulting from the aforementioned digital filters are the primary reason why some DSD advocates refuse to give up their spiel. As for Auro-3D, it has been around for more than just a while. Despite that, there is only one Blu-ray movie AFAIK that uses native Auro-3D sound. (This movie title is "Tails", the audio of which was done at George Lucas' Skywalker Sound). However, the format has gained traction in commercial movie theaters around the globe, and, mainly because the Auro-3D decoder comes with an upmixer that can on-the-fly convert Atmos to Auro-3D, IMO it should not be overlooked. Let me please elaborate on this. With Atmos, if you want to get the best sound, then not only do you have to factor in the unconvenient (for most) placement of the Atmos elevation speakers, but you also have to accept other, more severe limitations of "which ceiling speakers can be suitable for Atmos". (Specifically, the technical caveat of speaker design limitations inherent of Atmos ceiling speakers........). By contrast, Auro-3D can work with traditionally designed, higher quality than Atmos ceiling speaker speakers. So IMO if you must have a reference processor/preamp, then this isn't just about the height of the speaker position, but rather, the height of the speaker quality as well! |
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Post by edrummereasye on Sept 11, 2016 9:07:02 GMT -5
Very informative post, yves, thanks for that. Could you elaborate on how Atmos limits the quality of height speakers?
I read up on the technical details of how MQA is implemented, it's quite clever...basically it preserves the whole signal by including parts of the spectrum at much lower levels, then the decoder restores them. Will try to find the link. But not sure how much traction it's gained. That said, if it can be included without ridiculous extra cost, or as an option, I'm all for it.
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Post by Loop 7 on Sept 11, 2016 11:08:19 GMT -5
Check out this ridiculousness.  |
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