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Post by tchaik on Dec 27, 2016 11:47:29 GMT -5
We have decided on a unified approach to cosmetic design throughout the product families. The original XPR appearance does not confirm to this and it tied up too much money in the front panel, and it didn't make it sound any better. Not sure why this was released on AVS forum first... not my department. Sorry. The front panel can fully control the unit without a remote! That's a multi-axis controller, not just a rotary encoder. It allows complete navigation of all menu functions and trims. So, not too many controls are needed now.  The chassis is 4RU and has module bays on the rear for optional modules. The first will be a balanced input expander module, a reference phono module, and there will be a streamer module too. And who knows what else?? So, there you have a scoop!! Well, if one ofthe optionalmodules isnot a toaster or a clock, this is just a pile of outdated circuits. All the latest gear has both.  Mark like fine wines, collectables and rare coins…… this makes my XPR amps all the more valuable. as for the front panel, it sure makes me feel like it sounds better. tchaik………………….. |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 11:55:34 GMT -5
Has there even been a movie(dvd/bluray/uhd) been mastered with 9 channels of discrete base audio(i.e. with wides)? Also....how deep would a room have to be to warrant 6 height channels? My room is only 16' deep(I plan on running 4 height channels). Edit: There is no way that my wife would ever let me buy this thing, but I'm just curious...Also...isn't there a point when the room just isn't big enough to warrant all of these channels? I plan on moving to 5.1.4, but I'm curious if I added more channels if there just wouldn't be enough separation and might actually hurt the experience instead of help it. Residential Atmos is mixed for/supports 34 Channels, I believe residential dts:x supports 32 channels So yes all of the latest Atmos & DTS:x Blu-Rays & UHD are mastered for far more than 9 channels If I asked my wife I'm sure she would say no also, thats why I dont ask |
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 27, 2016 11:59:30 GMT -5
Please don't make the mistake of making the RMC-1, Â 7.3.6. There just aren't enough people out there with rooms big enough to warrant 6 overhead speakers. 9.3.4 makes far more sense. 9.1.6 would make it future proof. <-- There is only 1 LFE channel after all (Aarg did I really type 'future proof') I believe Big Dan said 9.3.4 in his announcement. I believe instead of limiting layouts, it would behoove Emo to make speaker positions as flexible as possible. I particularly want the 7.3.6 option and that would not be a mistake since it is one of the recommended Atmos for Home speaker layouts. |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 12:00:49 GMT -5
Please don't make the mistake of making the RMC-1, 7.3.6. There just aren't enough people out there with rooms big enough to warrant 6 overhead speakers. 9.3.4 makes far more sense. 9.1.6 would make it future proof. <-- There is only 1 LFE channel after all (Aarg did I really type 'future proof') I believe Big Dan said 9.3.4 in his announcement. I did read Big Dan's announcement but also came here after reading the AVSforum post which mentions 7.3.6 |
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Post by Hair Nick on Dec 27, 2016 12:02:45 GMT -5
Wow bummer that is such a pixelated image of the RMC-1. Looks like they pulled it directly from a small press release image then scaled it way up. Here ya go a little cleaner:  |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 27, 2016 12:04:03 GMT -5
Wow bummer that is such a pixelated image of the RMC-1. Looks like they pulled it directly from a small press release image then scaled it way up. Im sure YOU will do Better!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,soon! |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 27, 2016 12:05:15 GMT -5
In general those options are controlled by the standard itself..... It's a reasonable assumption that the standard will support all or most of the 'recommended speaker layouts". I believe Big Dan said 9.3.4 in his announcement. I believe instead of limiting layouts, it would behoove Emo to make speaker positions as flexible as possible. I particularly want the 7.3.6 option and that would not be a mistake since it is one of the recommended Atmos for Home speaker layouts. |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 12:08:14 GMT -5
I believe Big Dan said 9.3.4 in his announcement. I believe instead of limiting layouts, it would behoove Emo to make speaker positions as flexible as possible. I particularly want the 7.3.6 option and that would not be a mistake since it is one of the recommended Atmos for Home speaker layouts. If you have a room long enough for 6 overhead speakers, then you definitely need more that 7 speakers at ear level. There is just not enough going on overhead to warrant that ratio "I'm just saying" |
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 27, 2016 12:13:03 GMT -5
I believe instead of limiting layouts, it would behoove Emo to make speaker positions as flexible as possible. I particularly want the 7.3.6 option and that would not be a mistake since it is one of the recommended Atmos for Home speaker layouts. If you have a room long enough for 6 overhead speakers, then you definitely need more that 7 speakers at ear level. There is just not enough going on overhead to warrant that ratio "I'm just saying" Now, for the material you have heard. Assuming you have heard everything produced so far and assuming that overhead immersion won't improve as time goes on. |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 12:26:15 GMT -5
If you have a room long enough for 6 overhead speakers, then you definitely need more that 7 speakers at ear level. There is just not enough going on overhead to warrant that ratio "I'm just saying" Now, for the material you have heard. Assuming you have heard everything produced so far and assuming that overhead immersion won't improve as time goes on. Yes the mixes that make better use of overhead sounds will improve over time - no arguments there. But the ratio 7.1.6 still doesn't make sense with the current limitation on total speaker count. Atmos tops out at 34 speakers total, 24 ear level speakers but only 10 ceiling speakers for a reason. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 27, 2016 12:46:20 GMT -5
Now, for the material you have heard. Assuming you have heard everything produced so far and assuming that overhead immersion won't improve as time goes on. Yes the mixes that make better use of overhead sounds will improve over time - no arguments there. But the ratio 7.1.6 still doesn't make sense with the current limitation on total speaker count. Atmos tops out at 34 speakers total, 24 ear level speakers but only 10 ceiling speakers for a reason. Sure, ultimately Atmos can handle 34 speakers, but no home processor save Trinnov can do that and no home processor, again save Trinnov, can self locate and make adjustments for any speaker location whatsoever, the home processors so far must adhere to certain fixed positions. Right now with my system, I have arrayed surround left and right pairs of speakers, because I have two rows of seating. My room is not wide enough for extra wides. |
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Post by goozoo on Dec 27, 2016 12:50:42 GMT -5
I want to clarify on my post. I am not trying to be a smart butt at all. Heck if wides are going to be used I can definitely use them. But I thought wides were old news. Width channels are currently being encoded into most oft he ATMOS released movies you can buy in UHD. Width height channels as opposed to width side channels can be better utilized in smaller rooms and are assignable, whether through the processor or manually through wiring. The bigger question when (if ever) will the industry rent these titles as opposed to having to own them to enjoy the benefits. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 27, 2016 12:54:51 GMT -5
Can we at least wait to see our cool new Christmas Present unwrapped in about two weeks before tearing it down for not handling X, Y, or Z? Or being too expensive? Or not pretty enough?
I mean really. 16 fully balanced channels with audiophile DACs for $5,000. Really, you're going to complain about that?
And as for the various speaker layouts, given the craziness Emotiva was able to accomplish with the XMC-1 in terms of remapping outputs which were never meant to support Atmos, I think we can be pretty sure that Emotiva will be able to handle all the reasonable layout for which 16 channels can be mapped.
Chill. Oh, and drool. Because it is nearly unwrapping time!
Casey
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 27, 2016 12:57:56 GMT -5
Can we at least wait to see our cool new Christmas Present unwrapped in about two weeks before tearing it down for not handling X, Y, or Z? Or being too expensive? Or not pretty enough? I mean really. 16 fully balanced channels with audiophile DACs for $5,000. Really, you're going to complain about that? And as for the various speaker layouts, given the craziness Emotiva was able to accomplish with the XMC-1 in terms of remapping outputs which were never meant to support Atmos, I think we can be pretty sure that Emotiva will be able to handle all the reasonable layout for which 16 channels can be mapped. Chill. Oh, and drool. Because it is nearly unwrapping time! Casey You sound like Nancy Pelosi! |
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 27, 2016 13:05:08 GMT -5
Can we at least wait to see our cool new Christmas Present unwrapped in about two weeks before tearing it down for not handling X, Y, or Z? Or being too expensive? Or not pretty enough? I mean really. 16 fully balanced channels with audiophile DACs for $5,000. Really, you're going to complain about that? And as for the various speaker layouts, given the craziness Emotiva was able to accomplish with the XMC-1 in terms of remapping outputs which were never meant to support Atmos, I think we can be pretty sure that Emotiva will be able to handle all the reasonable layout for which 16 channels can be mapped. Chill. Oh, and drool. Because it is nearly unwrapping time! Casey Oh I am extremely excited. I can't believe it is almost done. That is great news in and of itself. I can't wait to unwrap one. I am the person that sold my Krell Foundation a long time ago after I heard about this product. I bought the XMC1 to tide me over until this was done. Now my wait may soon be over.  |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 13:12:26 GMT -5
Yes the mixes that make better use of overhead sounds will improve over time - no arguments there. But the ratio 7.1.6 still doesn't make sense with the current limitation on total speaker count. Atmos tops out at 34 speakers total, 24 ear level speakers but only 10 ceiling speakers for a reason. Sure, ultimately Atmos can handle 34 speakers, but no home processor save Trinnov can do that and no home processor, again save Trinnov, can self locate and make adjustments for any speaker location whatsoever, the home processors so far must adhere to certain fixed positions. Right now with my system, I have arrayed surround left and right pairs of speakers, because I have two rows of seating. My room is not wide enough for extra wides. It was never about a particular processor, always about the ratio. |
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Post by maseline98 on Dec 27, 2016 13:16:05 GMT -5
Can we at least wait to see our cool new Christmas Present unwrapped in about two weeks before tearing it down for not handling X, Y, or Z? Or being too expensive? Or not pretty enough? I mean really. 16 fully balanced channels with audiophile DACs for $5,000. Really, you're going to complain about that? And as for the various speaker layouts, given the craziness Emotiva was able to accomplish with the XMC-1 in terms of remapping outputs which were never meant to support Atmos, I think we can be pretty sure that Emotiva will be able to handle all the reasonable layout for which 16 channels can be mapped. Chill. Oh, and drool. Because it is nearly unwrapping time! Casey Oh I am extremely excited. I can't believe it is almost done. That is great news in and of itself. I can't wait to unwrap one. I am the person that sold my Krell Foundation a long time ago after I heard about this product. I bought the XMC1 to tide me over until this was done. Now my wait may soon be over. Let me know when you're ready to sell your xmc1 If anything, I'm glad the rmc1 is coming out just so I can score an xmc1 at a reasonable price. I almost pulled the trigger when they had it for 1999+my UFL, but I'm just waiting around to see what the CES Santa is going to bring us. I've been a good boy this year and only bought a sub |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 13:20:50 GMT -5
And as for the various speaker layouts, given the craziness Emotiva was able to accomplish with the XMC-1 in terms of remapping outputs which were never meant to support Atmos, I think we can be pretty sure that Emotiva will be able to handle all the reasonable layout for which 16 channels can be mapped. As the RMC is dsp based then the mapping will be encoded in the dsp firmware, whilst it is not impossible to support different layouts, that will only likely be accomplished by re-flashing the dsp. Something I think is unlikely. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 27, 2016 14:25:14 GMT -5
As the RMC is dsp based then the mapping will be encoded in the dsp firmware, whilst it is not impossible to support different layouts, that will only likely be accomplished by re-flashing the dsp. Something I think is unlikely. Why is that? It should be upgradable just like anything else. Whenever my Oppo upgrades itself it usually upgrades both the main processor and the DSP firmware. Casey |
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Post by lesliew on Dec 27, 2016 14:42:50 GMT -5
As the RMC is dsp based then the mapping will be encoded in the dsp firmware, whilst it is not impossible to support different layouts, that will only likely be accomplished by re-flashing the dsp. Something I think is unlikely. Why is that? It should be upgradable just like anything else. Whenever my Opponent upgrades itself it usually upgrades both the main processor and the DSP firmware. Casey I said unlikely dosn't mean someone someday won't. Can it be done - yes, will it be done - ? The reason why speakers can't be placed just anywhere in an Atmos or Dts:x config is that their relative positions are encoded in the mapping. The dsp just doesn't have the capability to make the necessary calculations on the fly. This is the reason why a manufacturer has to make a choice up front about the layout that their processor will support. |
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