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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 11, 2016 13:59:27 GMT -5
RMC-1 and not XMR-1 then. So I guessed right at first. Arr-Emm-Cee sounds so much better, don't you think?
Still want one as bad as the day the rumors started.
BTW, 3 subs and not 4 has to do with the fact it's a 16ch processor and the number of main channels is uneven. I have 2 subs and can add a 3rd.
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Post by novisnick on Sept 11, 2016 14:20:27 GMT -5
RMC-1 and not XMR-1 then. So I guessed right at first. Arr-Emm-Cee sounds so much better, don't you think? Still want one as bad as the day the rumors started. BTW, 3 subs and not 4 has to do with the fact it's a 16ch processor and the number of main channels is uneven. I have 2 subs and can add a 3rd. Good to hear from you, hope all is well! |
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Post by hosko on Sept 11, 2016 18:05:15 GMT -5
The only reason to have 7.1 input is if the player has a better DAC then the processor. I would imagine a reference processor to have one of the best DACs available and better then what Oppo uses.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 11, 2016 18:32:05 GMT -5
The only reason to have 7.1 input is if the player has a better DAC then the processor. I would imagine a reference processor to have one of the best DACs available and better then what Oppo uses. ...........or at the least, comparable. |
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Post by hosko on Sept 11, 2016 22:14:43 GMT -5
The only reason to have 7.1 input is if the player has a better DAC then the processor. I would imagine a reference processor to have one of the best DACs available and better then what Oppo uses. ...........or at the least, comparable. And if its at least comparable you are better off passing over HDMI so the processor handle the management to all 16 channels. |
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Post by yves on Sept 11, 2016 22:53:53 GMT -5
Very informative post, yves, thanks for that. Could you elaborate on how Atmos limits the quality of height speakers? I read up on the technical details of how MQA is implemented, it's quite clever...basically it preserves the whole signal by including parts of the spectrum at much lower levels, then the decoder restores them. Will try to find the link. But not sure how much traction it's gained. That said, if it can be included without ridiculous extra cost, or as an option, I'm all for it. As far as the upfiring Atmos speakers are concerned, Audioholics did a 3-part article on this subject. www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/dolby-atmos-elevation-speakerwww.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/dolby-atmos-elevation-speaker/dolby-atmos-elevation-speakers-p2www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/dolby-atmos-elevation-speaker/dolby-atmos-industry-feedbackWith downward-firing ceiling-mounted speakers, on the page linked below, under "ceiling mounted speakers" and "alternative mounting options" you can see what I meant, i.e., ceiling-mounted speakers are not necessarily always ideal for everyone, and the alternative options aren't endorsed by Dolby simply because they can never be ideal for Atmos if you want to get the best sound that Atmos is capable to deliver in your specific room. Whereas, with Auro-3D and the Auromatic upmixing feature that makes it compatible with Atmos content, ideally you would have to mount your height speakers directly above your other speakers, which is close enough to the walls (in a typical HT room anyway) for you to be able to wall-mount your height speakers close to the ceiling instead of having to actually ceiling-mount them. Not all rooms have a ceiling that can be ideal for ceiling-mounted speakers, and IMO not that many good quality speakers can be ceiling-mounted in a downward-firing position without sounding bad. So speaker choices are fairly limited with Atmos. AFAIK, going for wall-mountable height speakers gives you much more freedom of choice in this regard. www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75358787-intro-to-dolby-atmos |
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Post by yves on Sept 11, 2016 23:08:16 GMT -5
The only reason to have 7.1 input is if the player has a better DAC then the processor. I would imagine a reference processor to have one of the best DACs available and better then what Oppo uses. The problem with that is the fact that DAC technology evolves at a much faster rate than many think, so IMO the internal DAC section should be removable. Personally, I, have replaced my separate stereo DAC with a newer model after not much longer than 3 years, and the audible improvement was not subtle. |
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Post by yves on Sept 11, 2016 23:37:56 GMT -5
RMC-1 and not XMR-1 then. So I guessed right at first. Arr-Emm-Cee sounds so much better, don't you think? Still want one as bad as the day the rumors started. BTW, 3 subs and not 4 has to do with the fact it's a 16ch processor and the number of main channels is uneven. I have 2 subs and can add a 3rd. With Auro-3D, the number of main channels can optionally be even. That's because Auro-3D has an optional "god channel", and, currently, my number of main channels is actually 4 so hopefully this explains why I want fully flexible channel routing and mixing matrix, which is something that Media Player Classic HomeCinema has been having already for years, AND this is a piece of software that, ironically on top of that, costs nothing. |
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Post by cwt on Sept 12, 2016 1:14:38 GMT -5
Check out this ridiculousness. Ah yes  the pioneer avr that thought it was separates ; one less superfluous/outdated jack at least thats dissapeared - i-link  |
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Post by hosko on Sept 12, 2016 1:23:23 GMT -5
The only reason to have 7.1 input is if the player has a better DAC then the processor. I would imagine a reference processor to have one of the best DACs available and better then what Oppo uses. The problem with that is the fact that DAC technology evolves at a much faster rate than many think, so IMO the internal DAC section should be removable. Personally, I, have replaced my separate stereo DAC with a newer model after not much longer than 3 years, and the audible improvement was not subtle. I agree, I wish more parts were modular so that things could be upgraded over time. Like how the XMC1 is able to the have the HDMI section upgraded. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 12, 2016 8:36:24 GMT -5
Check out this ridiculousness.  Not ridiculous at all to me. All those old video inputs are a bit redundant, but the rest is great. It's closer to flagship material than the RMC-1 as shown. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 12, 2016 8:52:01 GMT -5
It will fit, there is already a rendering of the output board in another thread straight from PCB design software. The output jacks are very tightly arranged. Nice mock up btw. The drawing you are referring to is also in the very first post of this thread. Yes, it shows it all fitting. But, I'm not sure how accurate that picture is. I fully expected it to fit because like you say, they have it showing that it will. However, what I did was go find an actual picture of the XMC-1. I then cropped the XLR output area, then stepped it up 15 more times. I originally used the same XMC-1 spacing, and found the last 2 channels going off the unit entirely. So I changed my crop to be much tighter spacing similar to as shown on their diagram. With this new tighter spacing, the 16 channels fit, but no way the power cord would fit. To do that, the spacing would have to be really really tight I think. Perhaps Emotiva is planning to use a different brand of XLR plug that can be put closer together. But using the brand they used on the XMC-1, I'm now at least unsure they will fit as they have on their diagram. Thanks. My first ever processor layout design! I'm so proud of myself.  |
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Post by teaman on Sept 12, 2016 10:01:53 GMT -5
Check out this ridiculousness. Not ridiculous at all to me. All those old video inputs are a bit redundant, but the rest is great. It's closer to flagship material than the RMC-1 as shown. I have a feeling the new Outlaw processor will be one to watch for. Their latest processors offer both the best of the new and the old. Even their 975 offers a lot, especially for the money. Their new flagship is on the way....and for a lot less than $5k |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 12, 2016 10:04:00 GMT -5
But... but... where's the coffeemaker? Not ridiculous at all to me. All those old video inputs are a bit redundant, but the rest is great. It's closer to flagship material than the RMC-1 as shown. I have a feeling the new Outlaw processor will be one to watch for. Their latest processors offer both the best of the new and the old. Even their 975 offers a lot, especially for the money. Their new flagship is on the way....and for a lot less than $5k |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 12, 2016 10:09:49 GMT -5
But... but... where's the coffeemaker? I don't drink coffee. It's bad for my alcohol system. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 12, 2016 11:26:56 GMT -5
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Erwin.BE
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 12, 2016 12:08:32 GMT -5
RMC-1 and not XMR-1 then. So I guessed right at first. Arr-Emm-Cee sounds so much better, don't you think? Still want one as bad as the day the rumors started. BTW, 3 subs and not 4 has to do with the fact it's a 16ch processor and the number of main channels is uneven. I have 2 subs and can add a 3rd. Good to hear from you, hope all is well! I am fine, thanks for asking! I was eyeballing the Lounge once and then, but to be honest, I just didn't see a lot of interesting stuff going on here... I am patiently awaiting the big one. |
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Post by meridion on Sept 12, 2016 12:34:07 GMT -5
Actually, I would love to see a 2 channel (stereo) prepro. With HDMI 2.2 4K/HDR inputs, full ethernet (and usb) streaming client, internet radio functionality and balanced audio processing/outputs.
I think there are lots of homecinema users, who don't want to install 5 or more loudspeakers, but who still want to have HDMI switching and professional quality audio processing (downmixing, DIRAC, subwoofer output?) without having to buy a 11 channel 'monster' prepro...
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Post by cwt on Sept 12, 2016 13:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 12, 2016 15:45:32 GMT -5
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the pioneer avr that thought it was separates ; one less superfluous/outdated jack at least thats dissapeared - i-link 
