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Post by Bonzo on Sept 12, 2016 15:52:06 GMT -5
Not going to deny I did covet this bad boy. With their amp.
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 12, 2016 17:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by klinemj on Sept 12, 2016 19:23:03 GMT -5
Yeah, what he said!
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Post by adaboy on Sept 12, 2016 19:25:36 GMT -5
ditto
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 12, 2016 21:00:43 GMT -5
The processor is a Denon AVC A1 with the matching Denon POA A1 which is a 10 channel power amp. The ducks guts about 10 years ago  Cheers Gary |
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Post by richardrc on Sept 12, 2016 22:21:47 GMT -5
This is the picture I was referring to. emotivalounge.proboards.com/attachment/download/23718Yves, I don't see any DACs on the board (yet). I cannot imagine them being on a separate board given the amount of noise inside the box. It will fit, there is already a rendering of the output board in another thread straight from PCB design software. The output jacks are very tightly arranged. Nice mock up btw. The drawing you are referring to is also in the very first post of this thread. Yes, it shows it all fitting. But, I'm not sure how accurate that picture is. I fully expected it to fit because like you say, they have it showing that it will. However, what I did was go find an actual picture of the XMC-1. I then cropped the XLR output area, then stepped it up 15 more times. I originally used the same XMC-1 spacing, and found the last 2 channels going off the unit entirely. So I changed my crop to be much tighter spacing similar to as shown on their diagram. With this new tighter spacing, the 16 channels fit, but no way the power cord would fit. To do that, the spacing would have to be really really tight I think. Perhaps Emotiva is planning to use a different brand of XLR plug that can be put closer together. But using the brand they used on the XMC-1, I'm now at least unsure they will fit as they have on their diagram. Thanks. My first ever processor layout design! I'm so proud of myself.   |
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Post by richardrc on Sept 12, 2016 22:24:28 GMT -5
Just idling that would power my house! The processor is a Denon AVC A1 with the matching Denon POA A1 which is a 10 channel power amp. The ducks guts about 10 years ago Cheers Gary |
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Post by skiman1 on Sept 13, 2016 0:05:03 GMT -5
The 10 channel Denon POA A1 amp listed for $7,500 and had 150 watts/channel. You could get TWO Emotiva XPR-5 amps for about half the cost, and have the same number of channels with 400 watts per channel. Stacked on top of each other, they would be higher though.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 13, 2016 8:24:32 GMT -5
Ah, okay, I hadn't seen that one, only the one in this thread. |
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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 13, 2016 13:52:12 GMT -5
Hmm... Dream Emotiva System
RMC-1 with how many XPA Gen3 double wide amps - or will double wides be be called RPA Gen3?
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Post by yves on Sept 13, 2016 17:41:10 GMT -5
This is the picture I was referring to. emotivalounge.proboards.com/attachment/download/23718Yves, I don't see any DACs on the board (yet). I cannot imagine them being on a separate board given the amount of noise inside the box. The drawing you are referring to is also in the very first post of this thread. Yes, it shows it all fitting. But, I'm not sure how accurate that picture is. I fully expected it to fit because like you say, they have it showing that it will. However, what I did was go find an actual picture of the XMC-1. I then cropped the XLR output area, then stepped it up 15 more times. I originally used the same XMC-1 spacing, and found the last 2 channels going off the unit entirely. So I changed my crop to be much tighter spacing similar to as shown on their diagram. With this new tighter spacing, the 16 channels fit, but no way the power cord would fit. To do that, the spacing would have to be really really tight I think. Perhaps Emotiva is planning to use a different brand of XLR plug that can be put closer together. But using the brand they used on the XMC-1, I'm now at least unsure they will fit as they have on their diagram. Thanks. My first ever processor layout design! I'm so proud of myself. To shield the DAC section against electromagnetic interference and to isolate it from the propagation of electric noise, it should be not only a separate board, but also located in a separate internal metal casing as well as hooked up to the "noisy section" by means of adequate galvanic isolation using high quality isolation transformers. The interior of my Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme houses a separate metal casing in order to provide the shielding:  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Sept 13, 2016 22:04:39 GMT -5
Well kids, I can promise you that you will never see another analog video connection on an AV processor or receiver from Emotiva. Analog video is dead, and good riddance. I can't remember the last time I need an S-video jack... oh wait, for my 1995 laser disc player!! I need to re-watch Top Gun!! If analog video support is deal breaker for a state of the art AVP, then you've come to the wrong place. About the lack of a phono input... the AVP is essentially an audio computer. Lot's of high speed digital stuff gong on inside the box. Bad place for a MC/MM phone stage. So, it lives outside; think the XPS-1. Now, we will probably end up adding a second pair of XLR line inputs before production... so that is a good idea! Regarding the lack of RCA main outputs... again, this is a S.O.T.A. processor. We believe that 90% of the users will be connecting to higher-end power amplifers. However, it will ship with nice XLR to RCA adaptors for those of you who need RCA outs. There was no need to clutter up the rear with both types of jacks. All 16 channels are fully balanced in to out. That is, it contains 16 fully differential gain paths with balanced DAC's, volume controls, etc. etc. It's super sweet!! And finally, that is the correct rear panel XLR spacing and all 16 XLR's fit just like they're shown. Peace out, Big Dan |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 13, 2016 22:08:19 GMT -5
Well kids, I can promise you that you will never see another analog video connection on an AV processor or receiver from Emotiva. Analog video is dead, and good riddance. I can't remember the last time I need an S-video jack... oh wait, for my 1995 laser disc player!! I need to re-watch Top Gun!! If analog video support is deal breaker for a state of the art AVP, then you've come to the wrong place. About the lack of a phono input... the AVP is essentially an audio computer. Lot's of high speed digital stuff gong on inside the box. Bad place for a MC/MM phone stage. So, it lives outside; think the XPS-1. Now, we will probably end up adding a second pair of XLR line inputs before production... so that is a good idea! Regarding the lack of RCA main outputs... again, this is a S.O.T.A. processor. We believe that 90% of the users will be connecting to higher-end power amplifers. However, it will ship with nice XLR to RCA adaptors for those of you who need RCA outs. There was no need to clutter up the rear with both types of jacks. All 16 channels are fully balanced in to out. That is, it contains 16 fully differential gain paths with balanced DAC's, volume controls, etc. etc. It's super sweet!! And finally, that is the correct rear panel XLR spacing and all 16 XLR's fit just like they're shown. Peace out, Big Dan Dan is it possible to go ahead with the 4th sub out? You have three but many of us with multiple subs have even numbers. Thanks |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Sept 13, 2016 22:21:48 GMT -5
Ah, okay, I hadn't seen that one, only the one in this thread. The DAC's, volume controls, buffers. etc. are on the main analog board. We're using mute relays again for minimum signal degradation, low output impedance, and high headroom. It's a work of art. Everything is very tight and path lengths are minimized. Also, it's a multi-layer board for excellent noise control. As Ray would say, it's super duper!! |
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Post by skiman1 on Sept 14, 2016 0:47:54 GMT -5
Dan is it possible to go ahead with the 4th sub out? You have three but many of us with multiple subs have even numbers. Yes 4 sub outs, independently controlled. Please, please, pretty please. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 14, 2016 2:19:57 GMT -5
All 16 channels are fully balanced in to out. That is, it contains 16 fully differential gain paths with balanced DAC's, volume controls, etc. etc. It's super sweet! Nice Cheers Gary |
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Post by bolle on Sept 14, 2016 3:37:06 GMT -5
If it is essentially a computer, could configurable highpass and lowpass filters been added for each channel? Therefore I could run my 5.4 system fully active without the need for any external DSPs. I guess the market is too small and this will never happen, but one can dream...
Also some kind of App / Webinterface would be nice for PEQ-configuration via tablet / smartphone / PC / Mac.
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Post by junchoon on Sept 14, 2016 4:11:39 GMT -5
Hi Big Dan,
Thanks for considering to add another pair of xlr line inputs!
Actually for phono, xsp-1 does not meet what I want anyway - I can just skip it now that the 2nd xlr have a chance to be in rmc-1
I will be getting a dedicated phono preamp instead - aqvox MK2 so I can have xlr all the way! Also, TASCAM da3000 to needle drop too.
Thanks again!
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 14, 2016 8:35:38 GMT -5
Well kids, I can promise you that you will never see another analog video connection on an AV processor or receiver from Emotiva. Analog video is dead, and good riddance. I can't remember the last time I need an S-video jack... oh wait, for my 1995 laser disc player!! I need to re-watch Top Gun!! If analog video support is deal breaker for a state of the art AVP, then you've come to the wrong place. About the lack of a phono input... the AVP is essentially an audio computer. Lot's of high speed digital stuff gong on inside the box. Bad place for a MC/MM phone stage. So, it lives outside; think the XPS-1. Now, we will probably end up adding a second pair of XLR line inputs before production... so that is a good idea! Regarding the lack of RCA main outputs... again, this is a S.O.T.A. processor. We believe that 90% of the users will be connecting to higher-end power amplifers. However, it will ship with nice XLR to RCA adaptors for those of you who need RCA outs. There was no need to clutter up the rear with both types of jacks. All 16 channels are fully balanced in to out. That is, it contains 16 fully differential gain paths with balanced DAC's, volume controls, etc. etc. It's super sweet!! And finally, that is the correct rear panel XLR spacing and all 16 XLR's fit just like they're shown. Peace out, Big Dan Hey Dan, You did a very nice job of explaining your reasoning above. I don't necessarily agree with it all (you can never make everyone happy right ), but I do appreciate you explaining your train of thought. You did leave 2 areas unaddressed though. First is, 7.1.4 analog inputs (or even just 7.1). I don't believe Oppo has released any pictures yet of what their new 4K Blu-ray player is going to look like, but I'm expecting that their top of the line unit will have such outputs. Maybe not, but Oppo has always done a good thorough job of over loading their players with output options. I think it would be a shame if they did in fact make their player have such outputs, only for processors to not have the inputs. Perhaps with your inside information you either know or can find out what Oppo is doing in this regard. Or perhaps the .4 part of it isn't ever going to be supported by anyone. At this point I'm just speculating. But I can't imagine they will abandon 7.1. Second, the current picture of the RMC-1 has 2 digital loop outputs (awesome), but zero analog loop outputs (not good). Surely the art of recording hasn't died totally and made these outputs totally unnecessary? By the way, I just wanted to make sure you saw my Frankenstein XMC-1 - RMC-1 drawing I made the other day. I think she's bee-you-ti-full, even with those archaic video inputs you don't like. But it's literally an XMC-1 with more, not the XMC-1 with more of some and less of others. I like it.  emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/843872/threadThanks --- Bonzo |
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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 14, 2016 9:24:50 GMT -5
Well kids, I can promise you that you will never see another analog video connection on an AV processor or receiver from Emotiva. Analog video is dead, and good riddance. I can't remember the last time I need an S-video jack... oh wait, for my 1995 laser disc player!! I need to re-watch Top Gun!! If analog video support is deal breaker for a state of the art AVP, then you've come to the wrong place. About the lack of a phono input... the AVP is essentially an audio computer. Lot's of high speed digital stuff gong on inside the box. Bad place for a MC/MM phone stage. So, it lives outside; think the XPS-1. Now, we will probably end up adding a second pair of XLR line inputs before production... so that is a good idea!Regarding the lack of RCA main outputs... again, this is a S.O.T.A. processor. We believe that 90% of the users will be connecting to higher-end power amplifers. However, it will ship with nice XLR to RCA adaptors for those of you who need RCA outs. There was no need to clutter up the rear with both types of jacks. All 16 channels are fully balanced in to out. That is, it contains 16 fully differential gain paths with balanced DAC's, volume controls, etc. etc. It's super sweet!! And finally, that is the correct rear panel XLR spacing and all 16 XLR's fit just like they're shown. Peace out, Big Dan Dan, The addition of a second pair of XLR inputs is great news and a very welcome addition. All those digital coaxial/optical inputs in the mock-up were a bit overkill. For me, three digital coaxial/optical inputs would be plenty. Overall, the mock-up rear panel has everything I need/want but I do wish both of the HDMI outputs had ARC return though. Only one is labelled as such. I assume all the HDMI inputs will be the latest standard, which seems to change month by month. I assume that this portion the I/O panel is upgradable, like in the XMC-1. Like another poster, I would also love to see at least some of the XLR outputs have an assignable option to be used for High and Low crossover so as to bi-amp some of the channels - if only for the L/C/R channels. This may make implementation of the room correction software more difficult, or simply limit the user's options when it comes to room correction. I don't know how all the room correction really works, or how flexible it really is, so this is just my speculation, but to me it would be an acceptable trade-off. If the internalized crossover function is not and option within the RMC-1 unit, I would also welcome a stand alone, external crossover. Maybe a MODULAR active crossover that has as many channels as the buyer needs. There is an opportunity for Emotiva in this regard anyway. To my knowledge there are only a handful active crossovers on the market for audiophile use, and they are ridiculously priced. Most of the professional level, rack mounted active crossovers simply do not pass muster in terms of audio quality. There are some good ones, but the the internal components simply are no match for the X-series, much less this R-Series. (Think of how many more amplifiers you might be able to sell!) Lastly, I hope the RMC-1 sits atop a new Reference Series line. Hopefully the line includes the balanced, "double wide" blade amps, perhaps a higher quality outboard phono pre-amp, a reference level version of the XSP-1 (an RSP-1, with 2.1 (or 2.2) Dirac and active crossover), and a multi-channel and active crossover mentioned above. Of course, since any "reference" level items will be inherently low volume, I would expect everything to be designed, engineered and built to order there in good ol' Franklin, TN USA. - Scott |
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