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Post by Chuck Elliot on Sept 15, 2016 14:43:37 GMT -5
I agree in either case it's a long run. But most second systems controlled by a single processor are not dedicated for high end audio, they are playing background music or something in an adjoining room or back deck area. And those systems likely have an amp a few feet away and longer speaker wires which are MUCH easier to run through walls that larger RCA cables, let alone XLR cables. Again, I realize what YOU may want or need, but to semi-quote Lonnie earlier in this thread, you can't build the perfect unit for everyone. The RMC-1 gives you second zone audio outputs and if used, the vast majority of people will have an amp near the RMC and run speaker wires. The idea of drilling holes large enough to run long XLR cables in a wall would make me think, "I'll buy a second preamp. No worries about long cable runs, drilling holes, trying to control a unit in another room and now I have the ability to see a display and touch buttons of a dedicated preamp in the room of my secondary system." I'm not saying I'm right or you are wrong. I'm simply saying I believe that is how the majority of systems are setup and why Emotiva did what they did. I realize that it's different strokes for different folks. There is no right or wrong here. What I suggest only affords more flexibility at very minimal cost to the manufacturer. I wouldn't try to stuff XLR cables through the wall. I'd mount Dual XLR wall plates in each room.  |
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Post by hosko on Sept 16, 2016 1:54:46 GMT -5
I agree in either case it's a long run. But most second systems controlled by a single processor are not dedicated for high end audio, they are playing background music or something in an adjoining room or back deck area. And those systems likely have an amp a few feet away and longer speaker wires which are MUCH easier to run through walls that larger RCA cables, let alone XLR cables. Mogami 2930 2 channel cable isn't very hard to pull through walls, even Mogami 2932 is really simple to pull through walls if you need 8 channels. As stated if power monitors are to be used in zone two this is the preferred way of achieving it. Especially considering a run that long should be 10AWG for speaker wire. Whilst you could use a DI box to do the conversion before sending it to the wall box a reference grade system should probably have it on board to keep it fully differential. |
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Post by deewan on Sept 16, 2016 8:23:49 GMT -5
Mogami 2930 2 channel cable isn't very hard to pull through walls, even Mogami 2932 is really simple to pull through walls if you need 8 channels. As stated if power monitors are to be used in zone two this is the preferred way of achieving it. Especially considering a run that long should be 10AWG for speaker wire. Whilst you could use a DI box to do the conversion before sending it to the wall box a reference grade system should probably have it on board to keep it fully differential. We are talking zone 2. Last I checked zone two doesn't require 8-channels or Mogami 2932 cable. I'm not saying XLR cable/Mogami 2930 cable or even RCA cable is impossible to pull through walls compared to speaker wire. Chuck asked a question of why RCA jacks were used instead of XLR. I believe I have stated why.... Emotiva builds equipment for a small(ish) market of AV enthusiasts, but it's still a mass market item. So majority rules. I'm saying (my guess) 95%+ percent of people who use zone 2 on their processor either have an amp within a few feet of their processor or use RCA because that amp doesn't have XLR hookups since it's for a second zone. I'm saying most zone 2 systems are not reference grade so fully balanced is not needed and would be a cost most are not willing to pay for. I'm not saying there isn't someone out there who has a second zone where the amp/powered monitors is 40ft away or an amp that has XLR hookups. I'm saying it a big minority and this is a mass market item for AV enthusiasts. I'm not saying if you use Emotiva's powered monitors in a second system XLR outputs would be nice. But guys, seriously. Just because this is the S.O.T.A. processor doesn't mean it's going to have every imaginable hookup option for every scenario, especially when we are talking about zone 2. If you need balanced outputs or XLR that badly for zone 2, perhaps a separate and dedicated preamp in the other room is a better choice. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 17, 2016 9:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by redcoat23 on Sept 17, 2016 10:43:07 GMT -5
Personally speaking, I wouldn't call $8.5k 'reasonably-priced'. It might be cheaper than other current models with the similar features, but reasonable, I don't feel so. Even Emotiva's suspected/estimated price for the RMC may be 'reasonable' when considering the tech it contains, but as a general statement about cost for an object, reasonable it is not. My humble two cents worth...
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 17, 2016 10:58:52 GMT -5
Well don't forget that the Acurus prepro is meant to be sold through integrators. I'm sure that Emo could cut the cost near to half of that. Emo has a trove of reasonably priced products to please the most penny pinching penchants among us, but the RMC-1 is supposed to be SOTA. Up to now the available Dolby Atmos chip was limited to 11 channels simultaneously, so Acurus is either using a newly available chip or using two of the old to accomplish this. So it has got to be somewhat expensive but no where near Trinnov's $21,000 or Datasat's $23,700 (which can only do 11 channels at this time).
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 17, 2016 11:31:17 GMT -5
to support 7.3.6 and 9.3.2
Not the 9.3.4 I want but maybe it's a typo?
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Post by novisnick on Sept 17, 2016 11:56:50 GMT -5
to support 7.3.6 and 9.3.2Not the 9.3.4 I want but maybe it's a typo? I believe that it shall support 16 channels.  |
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 17, 2016 12:05:04 GMT -5
And the award for the first Lounge member inferring the RMC-1 may be "outdated" before launch goes to... Because when anyone thinks Emotiva, they think " First to market". |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 17, 2016 12:26:48 GMT -5
to support 7.3.6 and 9.3.2Not the 9.3.4 I want but maybe it's a typo? I believe that it shall support 16 channels. Just because it is scheduled to be 16 channel doesn't mean it will be able to decode more than 11 Dolby channels. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 17, 2016 12:30:46 GMT -5
And the award for the first Lounge member inferring the RMC-1 may be "outdated" before launch goes to... Because when anyone thinks Emotiva, they think " First to market". If the RMC-1 doesn't have this feature at initial release, perhaps it could be added later ala the Acurus Act4. By the way who are you to ridicule my posts? |
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Post by cwt on Sept 18, 2016 1:31:45 GMT -5
Who's to say what the RMC1 will have at this early stage ; we do know that it will be packed with dsp horsepower from MDS and in any case no doubt can be retrofitted as new chips become available to its 16 channels . SOTA ? to me that also means a top notch room eq system ie dirac and/or dirac unison . What does the ACT 4 have ? 4 bands of PEQ and 2 shelving filters .. Wonder how that will go when equalizing the ceiling speakers.. Anyway its good to know the 11ch object audio limit has been breached which can only help future pre pro's ; even avr's if they can cram it all in  |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 18, 2016 8:36:17 GMT -5
Who's to say what the RMC1 will have at this early stage ; we do know that it will be packed with dsp horsepower from MDS and in any case no doubt can be retrofitted as new chips become available to its 16 channels . SOTA ? to me that also means a top notch room eq system ie dirac and/or dirac unison . What does the ACT 4 have ? 4 bands of PEQ and 2 shelving filters .. Wonder how that will go when equalizing the ceiling speakers.. Anyway its good to know the 11ch object audio limit has been breached which can only help future pre pro's ; even avr's if they can cram it all in The Acurus has 5 files of PEQ per output including subwoofers. But I did not intend for a comparison between these two units. I know we do not know what Emotiva is planning except, I guess for a few hints here and there. This room equalization stuff is overblown. It's difficult expensive and not everyone wants it. Plus new software for doing REQ is constantly being developed. I say do it externally if you want it. But the immersive channel decoding must be done internally and more than 11 channels of this is very rare (Trinnov at $21,000 which is all discrete design). So if Accurus is doing it, there must be a new immersive DSP chip available or somehow they are combining two of the present chips. Anyway this is a more desirable feature because it can not be done externally (except for using two prepros in ersatz fashion like some people are doing on AVSForum - and that's crazy). I can't afford $8,500 for the Acurus so I hope Emo will come through for the small guy, who is not a cave man living in the past but who wants the latest or near latest technology at a price he can afford. |
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Post by cwt on Sept 18, 2016 13:27:47 GMT -5
The Acurus has 5 files of PEQ per output including subwoofers. But I did not intend for a comparison between these two units. I know we do not know what Emotiva is planning except, I guess for a few hints here and there. This room equalization stuff is overblown. It's difficult expensive and not everyone wants it. Plus new software for doing REQ is constantly being developed. I say do it externally if you want it. But the immersive channel decoding must be done internally and more than 11 channels of this is very rare (Trinnov at $21,000 which is all discrete design). So if Accurus is doing it, there must be a new immersive DSP chip available or somehow they are combining two of the present chips. Anyway this is a more desirable feature because it can not be done externally (except for using two prepros in ersatz fashion like some people are doing on AVSForum - and that's crazy). I can't afford $8,500 for the Acurus so I hope Emo will come through for the small guy, who is not a cave man living in the past but who wants the latest or near latest technology at a price he can afford. Was going on their pdf which mentions 4 ; app.box.com/s/xaqocixirlu98ytmatw7 .not the 1st time a website has the wrong specs ; I hope the points are well down the lower end of the freq resp  . Piqued my interest when room eq wasnt mentioned by indy audio . They have gone the same route as datasat iirc ; the rs20i gets dirac and the downmarket LS10? gets PEQ . Something has to give at the price and ide rather it wasnt the atmos channels either.. If they have managed to piggyback 2 dsp chips good on them ; I would want room eq to handle the bed channels as well as the ceilings as bed channels alone wouldnt deal well with extra reflections ; but I get the no tampering motive  |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 18, 2016 17:35:40 GMT -5
The Acurus Act 4 first came out in 2013 and has gone through upgrades, the latest being the new 2016 CEDIA demo which will be sold come Early 2017. For this new version I read 5 PEQ files per channel; perhaps the previous version only had 4. Whatever! I want a prepro that goes to at least 13 separate Dolby Atmos channels.
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Post by emotivastef2 on Sept 20, 2016 20:40:54 GMT -5
I know nobody knows, but how many discrete channels will the RMC-1 process and output simultaneously?
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 20, 2016 20:45:53 GMT -5
I know nobody knows, but how many discrete channels will the RMC-1 process and output simultaneously? I don't know. I don't think anyone here does. |
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Post by deewan on Sept 22, 2016 8:50:26 GMT -5
I love the "it will be out-dated before it's released" comments. Always have, always will. I am going to state right now that if the RMC doesn't have dual outputs to control dancing LED water speakers, its outdated. The technology already exists and I want to enjoy LED lights and dancing water along with my 16-channel, Dirac corrected, fully balanced, SOTA processor. Oh, and it needs to be cheaper too.  |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 22, 2016 10:23:56 GMT -5
I love the "it will be out-dated before it's released" comments. Always have, always will. I am going to state right now that if the RMC doesn't have dual outputs to control dancing LED water speakers, its outdated. The technology already exists and I want to enjoy LED lights and dancing water along with my 16-channel, Dirac corrected, fully balanced, SOTA processor. Oh, and it needs to be cheaper too. O.K. You win, Walmart Shoppers! It will not be outdated, I just will not buy it! |
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Post by rhale64 on Sept 22, 2016 11:33:23 GMT -5
My grandsons have had those dancing water led speakers for two years. I bought them on Amazon. You don't need outputs. Gosh I hope you are joking.
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. Piqued my interest when room eq wasnt mentioned by indy audio . They have gone the same route as datasat iirc ; the rs20i gets dirac and the downmarket LS10? gets PEQ . Something has to give at the price and ide rather it wasnt the atmos channels either..
