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Post by jcz06 on Sept 13, 2017 13:26:29 GMT -5
Gotta love Big Dan heading over to AVS forum posting.....I can't wait until the CEOs of the other competition post....oh wait LOL....another reason Emotiva has the following it does.....
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 13, 2017 14:04:19 GMT -5
That's one strong statement that Big Dan made over there at AVSforum! 100% Emotiva control ofthe RMC-1 product (I guess that means 100% hardware and software including Dolby and Dirac also - wow I didn't expect that. Nobody but nobody except Trinnov has done that!). Yes, I want one! [But why did Lonnie say they were waiting for Dirac and ADI software to be finished? I'm confused!]- here is Dan's statement:
"I appreciate all of the lively conversation surrounding the RMC-1... hey that was funny!
I would just like to say that we have grown and learned a lot from our development experience with SSP's over the last 15 years. The RMC-1 is the first product that we have had 100% control of from end to end. We've assembled a world-class engineering team and our core competence is night and day ahead of where we were just a few short years ago. SSP development is not for the faint of heart. It takes a tremendous amount of work and it is a very large financial commitment. If you look at the market there are only a couple of people producing "original" products. Everything else is a re-work of existing designs and OEM modules. There is a reason for this... it's not easy, or cheap.
I don't say this to be critical, I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation. The RMC-1 is a brand new platform, completely designed from the ground up for this purpose. You will not find our design being used anywhere else in the market today. It is not compromised by the limitations and restrictions of "generic" solutions or older generation silicon. It's a monster, really. It's so fast, powerful, and flexible.
We've made some bold claims for the RMC-1 and the family of products it will spawn. We have every intention of meeting or exceeding our product goals. You will all be the judges of our success or failure, and I'm sure you will not hesitate to find fault when deserved, and I don't want you to. However, I'd like you to reserve judgement until you've had the chance to use and listen to this amazing new product. It's going to be a game changer, and you the AV enthusiast have the most to gain by our success. We're going to re-define performance and value expectations in this product catagory.
Peace,
Big Dan"
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Post by tchaik on Sept 13, 2017 15:07:15 GMT -5
I'm very happy to see all of the conversation that is taking place here, and on other forums related to the RMC-1. I'll just point out that a few years ago, many people said that the XMC-1 would not be made, but we all know they were wrong. It's been incredibly successful and will continue to be supported and enhanced. We showed the RMC-1 at CES in January of this year and many people believed it was vaporware. Well, we've shown everyone quite publicly that it is VERY real. The RMC-1 is an incredibly powerful and beautiful sounding reference cinema processor. In the near future we will be able to show it to a larger audience and I am quite certain that it will become the standard by which others are measured. Those of you that have seen it and heard it know this is true. I was very gratified to see so many other companies coming by the check out the RMC-1 at CEDIA.  Clearly, we impressed more than a few people. I'm so proud of our company, our team, and our loyal and faithful Emotiva family! It won't be long now... Cheers, Big Dan TOTALLY AGREE!!!! WAY TO GO DAN AND COMPANY. YOU HAVE KNOCKED ANOTHER ONE OUT OF THE PARK. Tchaik........... |
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Post by tchaik on Sept 13, 2017 15:10:56 GMT -5
Congrats to the Emotiva team for (finally) garnering a win from AVS! And what I found additionally interesting was this snippet about the height speakers used in the demo: Intriguingly, Emotiva created custom height speakers with a quad-ribbon design (each at a 90-degree angle from the other, for 360 coverage) plus a 5″ woofer. But, this is not a product, so no price and no specs, sorry.Could this be the design of the future for Emotiva heights? I don't remember reading about these in Mark's Emofest notes, so not sure if these were used in the demo in Franklin or not. But I'm excited to hear what "the rest of the story" will be regarding a full line of new Emotiva speakers, especially the elusive heights. Bring 'em on, Big Dan! Well, we designed these little ceiling modules after the quad Airmotiv E1 arrays we built for the Axpona/Emofest system. In that big system, we made special brackets that hold four of the E1's in an angled array to give us 360 degree coverage in the seating area. They worked so well in the big system we came up with a baby version for CEDIA. This consisted of the woofer from the B1 firing down with 4 AMT's in a 360 degree angled array. They sounded great, as has been noted by Mark H. at AVS and others. One of the big drawbacks I noticed in many of the systems I listened to at CEDIA is that the ceiling channels were too easily localized, especially in the low ceiling of the sound rooms. The arrays offer a more diffused sound field that IMO delivers a more believable and subtle "height" experience. It gets rid of a lot of the "ping pong" effect I hear all too often. This might become a "real" product based on our experience and the feedback we've received. Cheers, Big Dan SEE, THAT IS HOW GREAT COMPANIES WORK. THEY SEE A NEED AND DEVISE A SOLUTION FOR THAT NEED. YOU DA MAN, DAN........... Tchaik......... |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 13, 2017 15:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by cwt on Sept 14, 2017 7:37:00 GMT -5
Maybe its just me but I dont take everything literally with a complex piece like the RMC1; I read between the lines to get the general gist of what was said right or wrong... For example the dirac it utilises is likely "exclusive to emotiva" ;so not generic oem at least in relation to how it operates . I just think Dan was emphasising how much of a hand Emo has had in the development compared to the old days[lessons learned with TACT for example] ;more of a balanced partnership in determining how the code is written leveraging its dolby license for example for the 9.1.6 pronouncement .We all know what happens when a Chinese oem has a client at its mercy ie Outlaw comes to mind  What doesn't kill you makes you stronger someone said  This is a ground breaker product and I can well believe its unlike any other oem generic solution ...Why ? all the rest that utilise oem solutions are single ended circuitry wise; not bespoke balanced input to output for one. Generic solutions as in other pre pros using matrixed dsp rather than true discrete for extra channels.. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 14, 2017 8:43:40 GMT -5
Patiently awaiting the RMC-1 wit Unison. (Unison is beyond reasonable doubt the end of the room correction war) I'd recommend not counting your chickens until they are all hatched, so to speak. Per the Emofest report, Unison is not a 100% for sure thing - it's still being discussed. And if I understood correctly, it's more up to the folks at Dirac than Emotiva. It may be a 20% thing or an 80% thing, I dunno, but it's not a 100% sure thing. I know you have been patiently waiting for the RMC-1, so I just wanted you to be aware. EDIT: From the thread I was talking about. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/905370/threadThe unit has the processing power to support all channels up to 192K with Dirac. Per Lonnie, it’s up to Dirac and AD whether that is leveraged or not, but Emotiva has been told it will be 96k at a minimum. Similarly, it has enough memory to have >1 DIRAC preset, but that is also up to Dirac/AD. Dirac Unison or whatever version is used is also up the Dirac/AD but per Lonnie it’s “in the cards” for the RMC (but not necessarily for the XMC-1). Note: From later in this thread - Dan's exact words for this are..."None of this is finalized until we have firm guidance from Dirac. It is technically feasible with the new SHARC based DSP's, but we don't know what Dirac Unison will cost yet or when it will be made available to us. Until then we're trying not to promise anything until we are 100% sure of the details in bringing it to you." |
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Post by rbk123 on Sept 14, 2017 9:43:13 GMT -5
[But why did Lonnie say they were waiting for Dirac and ADI software to be finished? I'm confused!]- Firmware/microcode/API for the chips. Dirac needs to work with the RMC and the RMC needs to work with Dirac, so there is coding on both sides. |
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Post by rbk123 on Sept 14, 2017 9:47:30 GMT -5
Lots of drama and dumb over there. Reads like a lot of the drama and dumb over here, just different avatars. I always love when someone self-proclaims themselves as "the voice of reason" and then provides subjective opinion. That guy was just dripping with win. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 14, 2017 10:38:11 GMT -5
I don't know. The discussion seemed fairly restrained before Dan posted his note and the discussion following Dan's note was downright civil and constructive ... including one poster suggesting that Emotiva engage some of the most knowledgable Dirac AVS Forums members to help BETA Test the RMC-1 prior to official launch. In my experience, that's a pretty tame thread ... :-)
Casey
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 14, 2017 12:43:33 GMT -5
The AVS posts are getting more and more interesting. Big Dan just posted this -
"Hi all,
A couple of comments for clarity...
The new RMC-1 doesn't use any MDS solutions, even for HDMI. We have developed a custom HDMI solution using Panasonic silicon. The SI parts MDS use don't allow live OSD over video; the Panasonics's do! As I mentioned before, no OEM modules from an outside vendor are used for any of the RMC-1 subsystems.
The main audio DSP's are the new ADI ADSP-SC573's. These are new triple core parts. Two audio DSP's with a third ARM 5 core. Emotiva is the first company to implement them. They are so new, we've been working with pre-production engineering silicon These parts are not just "dropped in" and presto, movies! Even though the SHARC's have "compatible" code, making it run inside of vastly different chip architectures makes for a lot of engineering hours. They require a huge amount of development work to actually function in a system. We've got them working quite nicely now and they are fast, fast, fast!! We've also implemented some some very trick clocking magic to make them sing. We do the entire Atmos/DTS-X decode on DSP one and have the entire resources of DSP two for post-processing duties such as sound-field management, Dirac, EQ, and any other goodies we can think of. We've got ton's of design margin.
We do plan on supporting Auro. We're in the middle of working out the licensing.
That's about it for now... and by the way, I think I'll seriously consider your beta testing offer.
Cheers,
Big Dan"
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 14, 2017 12:51:53 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear that Dan/Emotiva is considering BETA Testing with dedicated hard-core users. I think that this has been a major win for Oppo in their efforts to make sure their product launches are largely trouble free for the standard consumer. No matter how good a company's QA efforts are, first exposure to external users always uncovers new and "interesting" phenomena. Getting past that always improves your product at the expense of a few months latency to deliver them more broadly.
Casey
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Post by rhale64 on Sept 14, 2017 12:52:20 GMT -5
Yep sounds great to me. I am reading big Dan's posts. I am getting more intrigued by the minute.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 14, 2017 12:57:44 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear that Dan/Emotiva is considering BETA Testing with dedicated hard-core users. I think that this has been a major win for Oppo in their efforts to make sure their product launches are largely trouble free for the standard consumer. No matter how good a company's QA efforts are, first exposure to external users always uncovers new and "interesting" phenomena. Getting past that always improves your product at the expense of a few months latency to deliver them more broadly. Casey +1. I wish there was a list we could get on. I'd like to be on it for sure. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 14, 2017 13:02:40 GMT -5
While I would be happy to help in any way I could, I'm personally not a great candidate for a BETA Tester since my setup is so simple with only a single HDMI source (Oppo UDP-203) and a single sink (Pioneer KRP-600M) and a simple 5.1 audio system. (It's arguable that the RMC-1 is complete overkill for my needs.) Good candidates for BETA Testers would have lots of HDMI Sources/Sinks and complex audio setups. Me, I'll just cheer from the sides and offer to serve beer.
Casey
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Post by audiophill on Sept 14, 2017 14:47:04 GMT -5
I called to see If I could get on a list and was told no. They said to just watch the web site for it to go on pre order with no date given when.
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 14, 2017 17:54:07 GMT -5
And yet another AVS post by Big Dan -
"The RMC-1 is designed to handle 9.1.6, 9.3.4, and 7.3.6, etc, etc.
Some of our work is gated by the availability of suitable firmware from Dolby. However, we expect to have 9.1.6 support from Dolby by Christmas. Right now we're up to 9.1.4 from Dolby and just waiting...
We've also developed our own up-mixer that sounds very good. It'll take any format from stereo on up and turn it into a very sweet sound field using all available speakers. We've got to think of a cool name for it... Any ideas??
It'll be selectable along with all the other post processors from Dolby, DTS, Auro.
Cheers,
Big Dan
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Dan Laufman
President
Emotiva Audio Corp."
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 14, 2017 17:55:01 GMT -5
Call the up mixer "Emosurreal"
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 14, 2017 18:01:49 GMT -5
Or how about "Emost"
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Post by hemster on Sept 14, 2017 18:17:29 GMT -5
How about "Emorama"? A play on the word "panorama". |
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This is a ground breaker product and I can well believe its unlike any other oem generic solution ...Why ? all the rest that utilise oem solutions are single ended circuitry wise; not bespoke balanced input to output for one. Generic solutions as in other pre pros using matrixed dsp rather than true discrete for extra channels..
