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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 14, 2017 18:17:44 GMT -5
We've also developed our own up-mixer that sounds very good. It'll take any format from stereo on up and turn it into a very sweet sound field using all available speakers. That's interesting, but could it mean that they're not including the Dolby Atmos Upmixer? (which could presumably have a separate license cost?) I've heard good things about the Dolby Upmixer, so why would they develop their own? Seems either quality (they think they can make it better), or price (they think they can make it cheaper). |
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Post by hemster on Sept 14, 2017 18:26:45 GMT -5
We've also developed our own up-mixer that sounds very good. It'll take any format from stereo on up and turn it into a very sweet sound field using all available speakers. That's interesting, but could it mean that they're not including the Dolby Atmos Upmixer? (which could presumably have a separate license cost?) I've heard good things about the Dolby Upmixer, so why would they develop their own? Seems either quality ( they think they can make it better), or price ( they think they can make it cheaper). It could be "AND" rather than "or" above. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 14, 2017 18:35:32 GMT -5
That's interesting, but could it mean that they're not including the Dolby Atmos Upmixer? (which could presumably have a separate license cost?) I've heard good things about the Dolby Upmixer, so why would they develop their own? Seems either quality ( they think they can make it better), or price ( they think they can make it cheaper). It could be "AND" rather than "or" above. Exactly! Seems like a complex problem to tackle though unless you have to (but since they seem to have done it, maybe not). I have to think it's a cost issue. |
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Post by jcz06 on Sept 14, 2017 19:03:29 GMT -5
I saw we call the upmixer....Emursion.....
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Post by lrobertson on Sept 14, 2017 19:37:32 GMT -5
Is it true most of these upmixers just create a generic reverb effect? I remember when Audussey DSX claimed theirs was able to create phantom room reflections that could be manipulated into sounding like a larger room or smaller. I figured this meant theirs somehow recognized reflections or echoes in the original sound and recreated the time delay on their height speakers. I don't know if this is even possible but how else could they have manipulated the perceived room size if they actually did?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 14, 2017 20:14:05 GMT -5
Is it true most of these upmixers just create a generic reverb effect? I remember when Audussey DSX claimed theirs was able to create phantom room reflections that could be manipulated into sounding like a larger room or smaller. I figured this meant theirs somehow recognized reflections or echoes in the original sound and recreated the time delay on their height speakers. I don't know if this is even possible but how else could they have manipulated the perceived room size if they actually did? I would say no, Dolby PLIIx, which is what I use most, surely doesn't sound like reverb (at least not what an old surf guitarist would call reverb  ) Delay, may be at the heart of it, but it doesn't sound like those synthetic room simulations – auditorium, club, stadium, etc – which do sound reverby (sorry bonzo). I wouldn't think the goal is to simulate different rooms, but rather take whatever mix is available and expand it to fill the additional speakers. That said I don't know what the algorithms are. |
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Post by adam631 on Sept 14, 2017 22:54:36 GMT -5
"Emo X Select"
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Post by mickseymour on Sept 15, 2017 2:16:18 GMT -5
While I would be happy to help in any way I could, I'm personally not a great candidate for a BETA Tester since my setup is so simple with only a single HDMI source (Oppo UDP-203) and a single sink (Pioneer KRP-600M) and a simple 5.1 audio system. (It's arguable that the RMC-1 is complete overkill for my needs.) Good candidates for BETA Testers would have lots of HDMI Sources/Sinks and complex audio setups. Me, I'll just cheer from the sides and offer to serve beer. Casey Someone has to test a 5.1 system with a single source and sink. How would it be if Dirac refused to work on 5.1 or the AVP actually needed 2 HDMI ports populated before it passed video. These would be silly bugs but you'd be surprised how many silly bugs there are in our modern world. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 15, 2017 2:20:42 GMT -5
We've also developed our own up-mixer that sounds very good. It'll take any format from stereo on up and turn it into a very sweet sound field using all available speakers. That's interesting, but could it mean that they're not including the Dolby Atmos Upmixer? (which could presumably have a separate license cost?) I've heard good things about the Dolby Upmixer, so why would they develop their own? Seems either quality (they think they can make it better), or price (they think they can make it cheaper). So over at AVS there's another sentence after the upmixer announcement, it says: "It'll be selectable along with all the other post processors from Dolby, DTS, Auro." To me this implies that the Dolby Upmixer (and others) will also be included. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Sept 15, 2017 11:43:34 GMT -5
That's interesting, but could it mean that they're not including the Dolby Atmos Upmixer? (which could presumably have a separate license cost?) I've heard good things about the Dolby Upmixer, so why would they develop their own? Seems either quality (they think they can make it better), or price (they think they can make it cheaper). So over at AVS there's another sentence after the upmixer announcement, it says: "It'll be selectable along with all the other post processors from Dolby, DTS, Auro." To me this implies that the Dolby Upmixer (and others) will also be included. Of course the up-mixers from Dolby and DTS will be incorporated in the RMC-1. We're also developing our own cool up-mixer. The RMC-1 team have been busy boys.  We'll need to come up with a name for the up-mixer... Hopefully something more imaginative than Emo-Logic... or E-logix, or E-allround... Ideas?? Cheers, Big Dan |
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Post by bolle on Sept 15, 2017 11:48:29 GMT -5
Since it is about "Immersion" and immersive sound, why don´t you give it an emo-twist and call it "E-mersion" or something like that? "Emursion" from jcz06 was close but I don´t like the "u". |
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Post by cwt on Sept 15, 2017 12:30:47 GMT -5
We've also developed our own up-mixer that sounds very good. It'll take any format from stereo on up and turn it into a very sweet sound field using all available speakers. That's interesting, but could it mean that they're not including the Dolby Atmos Upmixer? (which could presumably have a separate license cost?) I've heard good things about the Dolby Upmixer, so why would they develop their own? Seems either quality (they think they can make it better), or price (they think they can make it cheaper). Not a chance of that thankfully as Dan said Dan always refers to the upmixers as post processors as its the correct terminology This is something that the RMC1 has in common with the XMC1 iirc ; the 2nd dsp chipset does the dsp mode additions to the 1st chips object [ and auro etc ] decoding Its great that theres an extra dsp mode hopefully one applied more to music than movies like the other upmixers .. As Roger posted www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1706505-official-dolby-surround-upmixing-thread.html#post29407210If Emo could coin/licence another famous dsp mode name from HK and lexicon I think Logic 16 sounds nice  - if its a logic steering algorithm used ? Considering DSU and NEURAL -X are replacing a whole raft of dsp modes like pl2z/x neo6 etc this extra one is more like a flagship deserves. Dan was too quick .. |
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Post by lrobertson on Sept 15, 2017 12:31:01 GMT -5
Siege, Blitzkrieg or another military term for all out assault of one's senses. I don't think it has to have Emotiva in it for the sake that might be cheesy but out of what I heard Emursion or the like sound the best to me. Maybe Emosphere or emocentric. A scientific term zero-point, collider, orb, Envelop, Cloak.. I'd include fusion but that was already in a product line. I dunno. Tough
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Post by Jim on Sept 15, 2017 13:05:18 GMT -5
So over at AVS there's another sentence after the upmixer announcement, it says: "It'll be selectable along with all the other post processors from Dolby, DTS, Auro." To me this implies that the Dolby Upmixer (and others) will also be included. Of course the up-mixers from Dolby and DTS will be incorporated in the RMC-1. We're also developing our own cool up-mixer. The RMC-1 team have been busy boys. We'll need to come up with a name for the up-mixer... Hopefully something more imaginative than Emo-Logic... or E-logix, or E-allround... Ideas?? Cheers, Big Dan Man, that RMC-1 team has been BUSY! As long as it has 'Emo' in it, I'll be happy. It'll leave me explaining to my friends, that just like Emofest, it has nothing to do with the 'emo' scene. Man, this upmix mode is so...dark...  |
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 15, 2017 13:08:14 GMT -5
^^^..... I think "E-mersion" and "Emosphere" are pretty damned cool... |
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Post by richb on Sept 15, 2017 13:16:42 GMT -5
So over at AVS there's another sentence after the upmixer announcement, it says: "It'll be selectable along with all the other post processors from Dolby, DTS, Auro." To me this implies that the Dolby Upmixer (and others) will also be included. Of course the up-mixers from Dolby and DTS will be incorporated in the RMC-1. We're also developing our own cool up-mixer. The RMC-1 team have been busy boys. We'll need to come up with a name for the up-mixer... Hopefully something more imaginative than Emo-Logic... or E-logix, or E-allround... Ideas?? Cheers, Big Dan Off the top of my head: Emo-Sphere, Emo-Mixer, Emo-3D, E-motion. My favorite is: Emo-Sphere- Rich |
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Post by panchakshari on Sept 15, 2017 13:28:35 GMT -5
E-Process or E-Universe or E-Command
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 15, 2017 13:36:45 GMT -5
Wow, lots of good names already. Hard to beat some of those.
Using one of my favorite The Who songs as inspiration:
Eminence
Even the actual meanings sort of fit the bill.
[em-uh-nuh ns]
noun
1. high station, rank, or repute: philosophers of eminence.
2. a high place or part; a hill or elevation; height.
3. (initial capital letter) Roman Catholic Church. a title of honor, applied to cardinals (usually preceded by His or Your).
4. Anatomy. an elevation or projection, especially on a bone.
Or change it slightly to Emonence.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 15, 2017 13:40:28 GMT -5
I think this is my favorite mention so far. |
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Post by jcz06 on Sept 15, 2017 13:48:02 GMT -5
Since it is about "Immersion" and immersive sound, why don´t you give it an emo-twist and call it "E-mersion" or something like that? "Emursion" from jcz06 was close but I don´t like the "u". yeah, that was as close as I could get outside of Emoursion....and well that doesn't work lol |
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) Delay, may be at the heart of it, but it doesn't sound like those synthetic room simulations – auditorium, club, stadium, etc – which do sound reverby (sorry bonzo). I wouldn't think the goal is to simulate different rooms, but rather take whatever mix is available and expand it to fill the additional speakers. That said I don't know what the algorithms are. 
- if its a logic steering algorithm used ? Considering DSU and NEURAL -X are replacing a whole raft of dsp modes like pl2z/x neo6 etc this extra one is more like a flagship deserves.
