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Post by ekpen on Mar 28, 2018 19:41:57 GMT -5
Management: Use this time to re-design RMC-1 for more channels.
Some of us need more than 16 channels.
How about RMC-2- 24-34 channels ?
Acurus will be coming out with 20 channels <grin>
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Post by Erwin.BE on Mar 29, 2018 5:57:14 GMT -5
20 channels will not cut it also for some of us. Same for 24 channels. Where do you stop? IMO, 16 channels is the sweet spot for homely sized theaters. Those with castles can get a Trinnov.
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Post by skiman1 on Mar 31, 2018 18:41:38 GMT -5
Management: Use this time to re-design RMC-1 for more channels. Thanks George NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by ekpen on Mar 31, 2018 19:18:56 GMT -5
20 channels will not cut it also for some of us. Same for 24 channels. Where do you stop? IMO, 16 channels is the sweet spot for homely sized theaters. Those with castles can get a Trinnov. Greetings: There was a time 5.1 was enough, later 6.1, 7.1, 9.2 etc. One size may not fit all <grin> An RMC-2 with more channels and more sub-woofers will be fine. I already have 24 speakers line up. No amps yet, no SSP yet. I used to own or rather, I was an early adopter of the famous Pioneer Elite SC-09, but less than one year after purchase, it was obsolete. I would really like Chief Dan to find ways to do this. Thanks George |
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 31, 2018 19:43:17 GMT -5
Management: Use this time to re-design RMC-1 for more channels. Thanks George NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree!!!! They can start a new processor program with more channels after the RMC1. They shouldn't hold this up any longer. It has been long enough. |
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Post by ekpen on Apr 1, 2018 10:40:38 GMT -5
No reason to hold off RMC-1.
I hope by this time RMC-2 will be on the drawing board <grin>.
My Sanus rack newly purchased is crying for SSP and Amps. I hope to fill this rack with Emotiva products.
I will also like to test the SSP and these amps.
I sent an e-mail to support long time ago.
Thanks.
George
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Post by richb on Apr 1, 2018 12:23:11 GMT -5
20 channels will not cut it also for some of us. Same for 24 channels. Where do you stop? IMO, 16 channels is the sweet spot for homely sized theaters. Those with castles can get a Trinnov. Greetings: There was a time 5.1 was enough, later 6.1, 7.1, 9.2 etc. One size may not fit all <grin> An RMC-2 with more channels and more sub-woofers will be fine. I already have 24 speakers line up. No amps yet, no SSP yet. I used to own or rather, I was an early adopter of the famous Pioneer Elite SC-09, but less than one year after purchase, it was obsolete. Thanks George That is fine, but letters are cheap, so if they do make something beyond the RMC-1, reserve the -1 for a generation of this product and call it something else, the CMC (Cinema Multi-channel). Letter names to differential products are they way in which we speak, including Dan on his podcasts. For example: XMC, RMC, CMC, or whaterver. Noboday want to utter: are you considering buying the XMC-1 Gen 2, XMC-1 Gen 3, or RMC-1 Gen 3... I know this has been trod ground but there is still time...  - Rich |
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Post by cwt on Apr 2, 2018 1:53:32 GMT -5
[ Letter names to differential products are they way in which we speak, including Dan on his podcasts. For example: XMC, RMC, CMC, or whaterver. Noboday want to utter: are you considering buying the XMC-1 Gen 2, XMC-1 Gen 3, or RMC-1 Gen 3... I know this has been trod ground but there is still time... Yes if the R in RMC1 stands for reference which equates with the best ; some other moniker is appropriate  As for viability most rooms wont need more than 9.1.6 .. And if the XMC1 can repurpose zone pre outs what can the RMC1 do in any case  |
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Post by skiman1 on Apr 15, 2018 21:19:35 GMT -5
AVS Forum's 2018 Expona coverage:
“Dan Laufman at Emotiva gave us a preshow interview and tour. Yesterday I was very impressed by the Emotiva presentation. After speaking with Dan today I’m even more excited for what the company has coming out.
“Let’s start with an answer to the question above: yes, the RMC-1 is capable of full discrete 16 channel processing, including front wides, with no matrixing.
“There’s also an expansion module for the RMC-1 in the works that will give it support for up to 6 subwoofers, all discretely managed with individual delay, phase, level, and Dirac processing per sub.
“Dan also mentioned that HDMI 2.1 boards are being developed and will be available for all RMC, XMC, and XMR units, with an option for the end user to install it themves to avoid having to ship the whole unit back. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 15, 2018 23:43:47 GMT -5
The link to the above comments on AVS talking to Dan is here. Casey |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 16, 2018 0:59:43 GMT -5
“Let’s start with an answer to the question above: yes, the RMC-1 is capable of full discrete 16 channel processing, including front wides, with no matrixing. Shouldn't there be a disclaimer that says no matrixing IF the sound track provides for 16 channels". I just checked my latest 4K BD acquisition, Thor Ragnarok, and it is 7.1.6. How do we get 16 channels (without matrixing) if the source only has 14 channels? The Last Jedi, also a recent acquisition, is 7.1.4 that's 12 channels, without matrixing. I haven't noticed it on the jacket, but Justice League also seems to be 7.1.4. Cheers Gary |
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Post by cwt on Apr 16, 2018 3:29:08 GMT -5
“Let’s start with an answer to the question above: yes, the RMC-1 is capable of full discrete 16 channel processing, including front wides, with no matrixing. Shouldn't there be a disclaimer that says no matrixing IF the sound track provides for 16 channels". I just checked my latest 4K BD acquisition, Thor Ragnarok, and it is 7.1.6. How do we get 16 channels (without matrixing) if the source only has 14 channels? The Last Jedi, also a recent acquisition, is 7.1.4 that's 12 channels, without matrixing. I haven't noticed it on the jacket, but Justice League also seems to be 7.1.4. Cheers Gary Good point Gary its curious. Perhaps its better to divorce the channel based system mindset we have had up till now and look at it from the object based steering we have ? Begs the question why describe it in channels terms .As dolby says its highly scalable depending on the speakers you have |
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Post by richb on Apr 16, 2018 9:02:08 GMT -5
Good point Gary its curious. Perhaps its better to divorce the channel based system mindset we have had up till now and look at it from the object based steering we have ? Begs the question why describe it in channels terms .As dolby says its highly scalable depending on the speakers you have Dolby embeds the Atmos track within the 7 "beds" attempting to replace the term "channel" with "beds". The workflow may be object based with metadata but in the end, it must be backward compatible with 7 channels. Dolby is emphasizing objects, which is fine. However, customer buy processors and AVRs with channels. Dolby Atmos is encoded into bed/channels with objects that can be extracted using metadata and mapped to the customer's speaker layouts. Customers must consider speakers, placement, wiring, and amps and that has always been and shall remain channels. In reality there is no difference between the Dolby bed and a channel on a 7.1 (or less system). AVRs have long been able to map down and now will also map up if you don't have enough "channels".  I believe Emotiva 16 channel comments relate to the limitations of existing hardware and decoding. The RMC-1 is capable of mapping objects to 16 discrete channels directly from the Atmos mix where other processors may not. - Rich |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 16, 2018 12:04:12 GMT -5
“Let’s start with an answer to the question above: yes, the RMC-1 is capable of full discrete 16 channel processing, including front wides, with no matrixing. Shouldn't there be a disclaimer that says no matrixing IF the sound track provides for 16 channels". I just checked my latest 4K BD acquisition, Thor Ragnarok, and it is 7.1.6. How do we get 16 channels (without matrixing) if the source only has 14 channels? The Last Jedi, also a recent acquisition, is 7.1.4 that's 12 channels, without matrixing. I haven't noticed it on the jacket, but Justice League also seems to be 7.1.4. Cheers Gary +1. Exactly. Unfortunately my room just won't allow for 2 front wide speakers. There is a window on one side and a door on the other, and I'm not going to recreate the wheel just for 2 channels. My fronts are bipolar so they have a wide spread anyway. I'm not poo pooing front wides, just will not be for me. So I don't have to worry about it. What I WILL be doing is 6 ceiling speakers. They are already bought. Because there will certainly be 7.1.6 releases. |
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Post by bootman on Apr 16, 2018 12:36:48 GMT -5
Here is hoping the boards are HDMI 2.1 given how long they are taking to come out. |
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Post by richb on Apr 16, 2018 12:41:16 GMT -5
Here is hoping the boards are HDMI 2.1 given how long they are taking to come out. I'd like to see eARC implemented since other manufacturers are starting to include it. TV apps are very good on LG but old ARC is a pain. I can't wait to get the V3 board and hook all my gear through the XMC-1 Gen 2.3. Is the RMC-1 using separate DAC chips per channel? - Rich |
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Post by cwt on Apr 16, 2018 12:44:19 GMT -5
Customers must consider speakers, placement, wiring, and amps and that has always been and shall remain channels. In reality there is no difference between the Dolby bed and a channel on a 7.1 (or less system). AVRs have long been able to map down and now will also map up if you don't have enough "channels". I believe Emotiva 16 channel comments relate to the limitations of existing hardware and decoding. The RMC-1 is capable of mapping objects to 16 discrete channels directly from the Atmos mix where other processors may not. - Rich Yes Rich ; its just a bit incongruous labelling a disc as 7.1.6 . Labelling the RMC1 9.1.6 capable is just showing that its processors can do the real thing discretely while the Denon 8500h say cant quite ; which does correlate with Garys disc as it can indeed do 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 maximum ; I look forward to 9.1.6 discs presently Just say its good marketing to put 7.1.6 on the disc ; lucky my few 4k discs mention atmos as it is Its using stereo AKM DACS running in dual mono Rich ; so fully balanced |
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Post by bootman on Apr 16, 2018 13:19:10 GMT -5
Here is hoping the boards are HDMI 2.1 given how long they are taking to come out. I'd like to see eARC implemented since other manufacturers are starting to include it. TV apps are very good on LG but old ARC is a pain. I can't wait to get the V3 board and hook all my gear through the XMC-1 Gen 2.3. Is the RMC-1 using separate DAC chips per channel? - Rich You do realize that everything must be the same for things to work as promised. I'm not holding my breath on an improved ARC helping anything between different OEMs. |
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Post by richb on Apr 16, 2018 13:28:45 GMT -5
I'd like to see eARC implemented since other manufacturers are starting to include it. TV apps are very good on LG but old ARC is a pain. I can't wait to get the V3 board and hook all my gear through the XMC-1 Gen 2.3. Is the RMC-1 using separate DAC chips per channel? - Rich You do realize that everything must be the same for things to work as promised. I'm not holding my breath on an improved ARC helping anything between different OEMs. eARC does not use HDMI handshaking so there is hope. But with HDMI, it is reasonable to expect the user experience to be plug-and-pray. - Rich |
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Post by rlev on Apr 16, 2018 17:43:07 GMT -5
I find the RMC-1 floating up on my short list of processors.
My biggest problem (ah, with the RMC-1 that is) is that I don't see L & R pre-outs before the volume control (think some call a monitor pre-out but could be wrong)
I use these for my headphone amp distribution. When we watch movies late at night or when we can't disturb others we use headphones. The amp allows 4 people
to control their own volume (as I like it a lot louder then my wife ... ).
Without a constant volume output from the pre-pro the input to the distribution amp can be set too high ... driving it into clip.
This is not only harsh on my ears (seems like others in my family either don't notice or don't care. Which BTW I don't understand) but can and has damaged headphones.
Is there a way to get this? (Maybe by using zone 2 ... as long as I don't have to give up channels for it.)
If not ... do you think this might be something emotive might consider in an expansion board?
Rich
P.S. my ideal expansion board would be L & R RCA pre-volume outs, a couple of legacy composite video in's (for the Wii and other legacy boxes we have), and a phono stage.
Of the three: Only the pre-volume out can't be bought separately.
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As for viability most rooms wont need more than 9.1.6 .. And if the XMC1 can repurpose zone pre outs what can the RMC1 do in any case 
