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Post by lrobertson on May 17, 2018 17:07:16 GMT -5
I figured their version of DSU would still be mandated by the dolby license.
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Post by cwt on May 18, 2018 6:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by rbk123 on May 18, 2018 9:17:37 GMT -5
Looks like they're equally adept at hitting dates, and it's nice of them not to charge for new firmware...
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Post by deviate2112 on May 18, 2018 22:18:20 GMT -5
So hey everyone, I just come back every 6 months or so to see if there is an update on when the RMC will start shipping. I saw/heard it at Axpona a few weeks back, Emotiva was saying (any month now) same ol' crap. Any new news?
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Post by liv2teach on May 19, 2018 20:09:18 GMT -5
So hey everyone, I just come back every 6 months or so to see if there is an update on when the RMC will start shipping. I saw/heard it at Axpona a few weeks back, Emotiva was saying (any month now) same ol' crap. Any new news? Yes, they are back dated on the toasters as well as the RMC... must be a glitch in technology.... |
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Post by novisnick on May 19, 2018 20:19:49 GMT -5
So hey everyone, I just come back every 6 months or so to see if there is an update on when the RMC will start shipping. I saw/heard it at Axpona a few weeks back, Emotiva was saying (any month now) same ol' crap. Any new news? Yes, they are back dated on the toasters as well as the RMC... must be a glitch in technology.... Yep, its true,,,,,only one side of the bread gets toasted! 😢 |
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Post by lrobertson on May 20, 2018 10:57:48 GMT -5
I read on the trinnov forum dsu isn’t upmixing to the wides. Hopefully Emotiva’s solution can at least extract the diffuse material for the up mix to all speakers to give us some options.
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Post by brians7 on May 20, 2018 13:50:47 GMT -5
Wow, lots of good names already. Hard to beat some of those. Using one of my favorite The Who songs as inspiration: EminenceEven the actual meanings sort of fit the bill. [em-uh-nuh ns]
noun
1. high station, rank, or repute: philosophers of eminence.
2. a high place or part; a hill or elevation; height.
3. (initial capital letter) Roman Catholic Church. a title of honor, applied to cardinals (usually preceded by His or Your).
4. Anatomy. an elevation or projection, especially on a bone.Or change it slightly to Emonence. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 21, 2018 1:09:06 GMT -5
I read on the trinnov forum dsu isn’t upmixing to the wides. Hopefully Emotiva’s solution can at least extract the diffuse material for the up mix to all speakers to give us some options. Surely that defeats the whole intent of Atmos, it becomes "PL11z with ceiling speakers", using maybe a better algorithm. Whereas Atmos is supposed to be z, y, z coordinated object orient sound positioned exactly as the mixer intended. It's fake, just done so people can claim that they are using Atmos 9.1.6, when the movie sound track is really Atmos 7.1.4. Cheers Gary |
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Post by cwt on May 21, 2018 2:42:05 GMT -5
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Post by lrobertson on May 21, 2018 10:42:49 GMT -5
I read on the trinnov forum dsu isn’t upmixing to the wides. Hopefully Emotiva’s solution can at least extract the diffuse material for the up mix to all speakers to give us some options. Surely that defeats the whole intent of Atmos, it becomes "PL11z with ceiling speakers", using maybe a better algorithm. Whereas Atmos is supposed to be z, y, z coordinated object orient sound positioned exactly as the mixer intended. It's fake, just done so people can claim that they are using Atmos 9.1.6, when the movie sound track is really Atmos 7.1.4. Cheers Gary Yeah you would loose out on the main benefit of Atmos limiting the object playback but at least you could maintain the intent of expanding the bed channel material though it wouldn’t be a perfectly discrete expansion with the intended speaker arrays. Sounds like rather than having a separate discrete bed layer to expand on it sounds like it’s straight Dolby hd without any layers. At least I still have hope the masterpiece movies stick to native Atmos. I’m ok if Marvel, Disney and the sort ruin it for us but if I see saving private Ryan types of movies geared towards adults and realism go that way I’ll really be disappointed. Benefits of 9.1.6 still sound like a good deal with my 40% off card and I’d shoot for more if the adult movies stay true to Atmos. |
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Post by liv2teach on May 21, 2018 11:16:01 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Marantz 8805 for the following reasons:
1. Is there a real release date for the RMC? Who knows how much longer this thing could take?
2. Could the delayed release perhaps be because there's a tech glitch? What happens if the RMC is released and we find it's glitchy? How long to get troubleshooting? Would it have to be sent back to Emotiva? With the Marantz having been out for some time, aren't most of the glitches worked out?
3. Is there really any 9.1.6 media out there? Isn't current media 7.1.4? Since the Marantz can do 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 or Auro, it looks like it will play all current media. Also, from what I've read, the Marantz can be upgraded and at some point will probably be 9.1.6 if the need ever arises.
4. From what I understand the Marantz has decent sound for music, however I use a separate tubed system for my music listening, so the music point is mute.
Thoughts, opinions....like to hear from others.
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Post by lrobertson on May 21, 2018 11:48:43 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Marantz 8805 for the following reasons: 1. Is there a real release date for the RMC? Who knows how much longer this thing could take? 2. Could the delayed release perhaps be because there's a tech glitch? What happens if the RMC is released and we find it's glitchy? How long to get troubleshooting? Would it have to be sent back to Emotiva? With the Marantz having been out for some time, aren't most of the glitches worked out? 3. Is there really any 9.1.6 media out there? Isn't current media 7.1.4? Since the Marantz can do 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 or Auro, it looks like it will play all current media. Also, from what I've read, the Marantz can be upgraded and at some point will probably be 9.1.6 if the need ever arises. 4. From what I understand the Marantz has decent sound for music, however I use a separate tubed system for my music listening, so the music point is mute. Thoughts, opinions....like to hear from others. No the majority of current Atmos is 24.1.10. But we don’t know what the trend will be in the future. I’m sure the Marantz is a great receiver. You can always buy that and sell it if you find the RMC-1 is better suited after you get us as the test dummies. I’d imagine the XMC should be where you gravitate towards if those are really your concerns though. I’ve never heard someone to prefer a Marantz over the XMC. If you need something today with those channel numbers buy the Marantz. If you want to buy once cry once with the best sq and bang for the buck and you’re willing to wait no reason not to see what makes sense once the RMC-1 is released. Luckily I’m not in a huge rush. I don’t think my room will ever be ready to finish till I see some good quality faux 4k laser projectors hit the market at an affordable price. Hopefully JVC can do this soon. |
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Post by goozoo on May 21, 2018 14:43:30 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Marantz 8805 for the following reasons: 1. Is there a real release date for the RMC? Who knows how much longer this thing could take? 2. Could the delayed release perhaps be because there's a tech glitch? What happens if the RMC is released and we find it's glitchy? How long to get troubleshooting? Would it have to be sent back to Emotiva? With the Marantz having been out for some time, aren't most of the glitches worked out? 3. Is there really any 9.1.6 media out there? Isn't current media 7.1.4? Since the Marantz can do 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 or Auro, it looks like it will play all current media. Also, from what I've read, the Marantz can be upgraded and at some point will probably be 9.1.6 if the need ever arises. 4. From what I understand the Marantz has decent sound for music, however I use a separate tubed system for my music listening, so the music point is mute. Thoughts, opinions....like to hear from others. The biggest reason to wait is for the SQ with the Emotiva over the Marantz, especially in the center channel. A very capable processor indeed, but not without limitations and no ability to upgrade in the future. DIRAC is also far better for room correction than Audessy XT32. As for release date, sometime this summer as chip production began back in early April. Emotiva is in no hurry to release a processor that they will have to fix on a mass scale, and instead choose to keep tweaking until the cows finally come home...which should be around the summer time when the grass is still green. As for 7.1.4 versus 9.1.6, more and more studios are planning on going the way of Disney and WB with 7.1.4 for ATMOS home; according to our sources in the industry. Doesn't matter in the end as commercial cinemas array their channels and produce very immersive results. All about the psychoacoustic effects of sound. The average consumer however is more interested in specs, and whatever the internet tells them. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 21, 2018 16:14:32 GMT -5
No the majority of current Atmos is 24.1.10. Please help me out here, over the weekend I was at my local retailer part of the chain that sells more discs than anyone else and has the largest range where I looked at every 4K Atmos BD release they had and not a single one of them said "24.1.10". Quite a few were silent with just the "Atmos" designation, but by a huge majority "Atmos 7.1.4" was specified. The reason I was there was to get a source that I could try in my friend's 5.1.2 system to see how his Yamaha processor handled the larger number of object coordinates. Between us we have enough powered speakers to go to 11.1.6, so we can easily use all of the outputs. He has also been looking for a few weeks without success. So if you have found a disc that specifies "Atmos 24.1.10" then please let me know, it would be much appreciated. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 21, 2018 16:26:17 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Marantz 8805 for the following reasons: 1. Is there a real release date for the RMC? Who knows how much longer this thing could take? 2. Could the delayed release perhaps be because there's a tech glitch? What happens if the RMC is released and we find it's glitchy? How long to get troubleshooting? Would it have to be sent back to Emotiva? With the Marantz having been out for some time, aren't most of the glitches worked out? 3. Is there really any 9.1.6 media out there? Isn't current media 7.1.4? Since the Marantz can do 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 or Auro, it looks like it will play all current media. Also, from what I've read, the Marantz can be upgraded and at some point will probably be 9.1.6 if the need ever arises. 4. From what I understand the Marantz has decent sound for music, however I use a separate tubed system for my music listening, so the music point is mute. Thoughts, opinions....like to hear from others. I know it has Sabre DAC's, but for movies it doesn't seem to annoy me at all, in fact I prefer the sound from the Yamaha CXA-5100 processor over the Marantz 7702, 7703 and 8805. In my friends system it has been rock solid, not an issue, plays everything, passes all the video types, just works. The remote app is really good too. They have been available for over 2 years with ongoing software upgrades for things like Dolby Vision, so any bugs are long gone. Price is pretty damn attractive, almost in the "disposable" range. The only minor downside is it's a tiny bit slow to lock onto HDMI changes, which could be mildly annoying if you are a constant channel flicker. Cheers Gary |
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Post by goozoo on May 21, 2018 16:47:48 GMT -5
No the majority of current Atmos is 24.1.10. Please help me out here, over the weekend I was at my local retailer part of the chain that sells more discs than anyone else and has the largest range where I looked at every 4K Atmos BD release they had and not a single one of them said "24.1.10". Quite a few were silent with just the "Atmos" designation, but by a huge majority "Atmos 7.1.4" was specified. The reason I was there was to get a source that I could try in my friend's 5.1.2 system to see how his Yamaha processor handled the larger number of object coordinates. Between us we have enough powered speakers to go to 11.1.6, so we can easily use all of the outputs. He has also been looking for a few weeks without success. So if you have found a disc that specifies "Atmos 24.1.10" then please let me know, it would be much appreciated. Cheers Gary Have you tried Amazon?  Seriously, this was the point I was trying to make earlier. The entire industry is leaning towards 7.1.4, regardless of their designation on the retail box, for home ATMOS. This then begs the question as to why we will need 9.1.6 when there is scant content (at best) to utilize the extra channels? As for the Dolby designation, 24.1.10 is what is spec'ed out, but is more of a boundary rather than a reality...much like time travel. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 21, 2018 17:48:53 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Marantz 8805 for the following reasons: 1. Is there a real release date for the RMC? Who knows how much longer this thing could take? 2. Could the delayed release perhaps be because there's a tech glitch? What happens if the RMC is released and we find it's glitchy? How long to get troubleshooting? Would it have to be sent back to Emotiva? With the Marantz having been out for some time, aren't most of the glitches worked out? 3. Is there really any 9.1.6 media out there? Isn't current media 7.1.4? Since the Marantz can do 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 or Auro, it looks like it will play all current media. Also, from what I've read, the Marantz can be upgraded and at some point will probably be 9.1.6 if the need ever arises. 4. From what I understand the Marantz has decent sound for music, however I use a separate tubed system for my music listening, so the music point is mute. Thoughts, opinions....like to hear from others. If you need something now you should probably get the Marantz. You’re right, we don’t know when the RMC-1 will actually be released, and you seem to be pretty worried a lot could go wrong. I can live with the XMC-1 indefinitely, though I’ll need the HDMI upgrade in a month or two. I’ll probably get the RMC-1, but I’m not in any hurry, and I’m not worried it will be buggy. If you can’t wait ... a while? Get what will make you happy. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 21, 2018 18:35:20 GMT -5
Of course, but often the Atmos content is not specified in the details on Amazon, so reading the back of the case is the only way to find out. Even reviews are pretty useless, they just say stuff like "the Atmos track was OK", without mention that it was 7.1.4 or not. That's the point I have been making for some months, once I started to find that most of my movie collection were 7.1.4, confirmed with friends collections and despite looking I couldn't find anything that stated more than that. Except one disc, which I haven't been able to find since that said 9.1.6. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 21, 2018 18:38:50 GMT -5
If you need something now you should probably get the Marantz. You’re right, we don’t know when the RMC-1 will actually be released, and you seem to be pretty worried a lot could go wrong. I can live with the XMC-1 indefinitely, though I’ll need the HDMI upgrade in a month or two. I’ll probably get the RMC-1, but I’m not in any hurry, and I’m not worried it will be buggy. If you can’t wait ... a while? Get what will make you happy. I wouldn't overlook the Yamaha, especially if you like the sound from Oppo 95/105/205 as it uses Sabre DAC's. If you don't like the Oppos sound (like me) then I'd still give it an audition, as Yamaha seems to have made a more friendly implementation (to my ears anyways). Cheers Gary |
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Interesting comparison done here; albeit with 4 ceilings.. 
Seriously, this was the point I was trying to make earlier. The entire industry is leaning towards 7.1.4, regardless of their designation on the retail box, for home ATMOS. This then begs the question as to why we will need 9.1.6 when there is scant content (at best) to utilize the extra channels? As for the Dolby designation, 24.1.10 is what is spec'ed out, but is more of a boundary rather than a reality...much like time travel. 
