Oppo 4K

[butchgo]

Do think Darbee can really improve 4K UHD?

[chaosrv]

For 4K? Maybe or maybe not. For 1080p Blu-rays, in some cases, yes. I have the 103D and it makes a world of difference especially in certain animated titles.

[Gary Cook]

"Projected. Actual release date tentative and subject to changes"
No new news since last Xmas then.

Cheers
Gary

[bootman]

I don't think there is a 4k Darbee product available.
You can check their website for any updates to this.
www.darbeevision.com

They could add it for 1080p material however.

[Bonzo]

Sept 17, 2016 19:00:26 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Back panel of the UDP-203. I find the HDMI input interesting.

I was thinking the same thing. Speculation?

[Bonzo]

Sept 17, 2016 18:50:12 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Definitely will be waiting on the UDP-203.

I think I will wait and see what the UDP-205 has to offer.

EDIT: I'm not really planning to use it as a 4K player right away though, only as an upgrade and combination of my old Panny Blu-ray player and my old Denon Universal disc player. I hopefully won't be needing to replace my 1080p Panny ZT for a long time.

Note: Saw a big old LG 4K LED at Sam's club over the weekend doing a demo thing about HDR. The demo totally washed out and crushed regular HD on the left while it pumped HDR on the right. Looked like fake advertising to me. But while it did look very clear from straight on, the off axis viewing dropped dramatically fast and looked like crap. There is just no way I would like living with LCD tech. I want my future new TV to be more like an 85" OLED for $3000.

[Bonzo]

Sept 18, 2016 15:54:20 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Check out this Audioholics/Facebook video on the Oppo UDP-203.

www.facebook.com/Audioholics/videos/10154411289507165/

Okay, is this guy goofy or am I wrong on this.

The interviewer pronounces the first syllable in Oppo as Oh-Poe, like go, Joe or row. I pronounce it as Ah-poe, like operator or opposite. And the guy from Oppo who has an accent sort of sounds in-between.

So how does everyone else here say it?

[monkumonku]

Sept 19, 2016 16:08:28 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Sept 18, 2016 15:54:20 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Check out this Audioholics/Facebook video on the Oppo UDP-203.

www.facebook.com/Audioholics/videos/10154411289507165/

Okay, is this guy goofy or am I wrong on this.

The interviewer pronounces the first syllable in Oppo as Oh-Poe, like go, Joe or row. I pronounce it as Ah-poe, like operator or opposite. And the guy from Oppo who has an accent sort of sounds in-between.

So how does everyone else here say it?

I say "ah-poe" but the correct pronunciation, as verified by Oppo, is "oh-poe" with two long o's.

[LCSeminole]

Sept 19, 2016 16:08:28 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Sept 18, 2016 15:54:20 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Check out this Audioholics/Facebook video on the Oppo UDP-203.

www.facebook.com/Audioholics/videos/10154411289507165/

Okay, is this guy goofy or am I wrong on this.

The interviewer pronounces the first syllable in Oppo as Oh-Poe, like go, Joe or row. I pronounce it as Ah-poe, like operator or opposite. And the guy from Oppo who has an accent sort of sounds in-between.

So how does everyone else here say it?

I think the guy being interviewed says, "Ah-poe", which is how I say, and when I first saw this video I replayed the way he said it several times. Personally, however it is pronounced, I'll still be buying this model as I don't care about the DAC's that a 205 model may have, nor do I care about Darbee video processing. Dolby Vision processing would be nice, but since those chipsets aren't available for players yet, then I'll have to make due with HDR10.

[geebo]

Sept 19, 2016 17:18:17 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Sept 19, 2016 16:08:28 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Okay, is this guy goofy or am I wrong on this.

The interviewer pronounces the first syllable in Oppo as Oh-Poe, like go, Joe or row. I pronounce it as Ah-poe, like operator or opposite. And the guy from Oppo who has an accent sort of sounds in-between.

So how does everyone else here say it?

I think the guy being interviewed says, "Ah-poe", which is how I say, and when I first saw this video I replayed the way he said it several times. Personally, however it is pronounced, I'll still be buying this model as I don't care about the DAC's that a 205 model may have, nor do I care about Darbee video processing. Dolby Vision processing would be nice, but since those chipsets aren't available for players yet, then I'll have to make due with HDR10.

Same here. I'm all in for the 203.

[LCSeminole]

A quote from Todd Anderson of HomeTheaterShack asking Oppo @ CEDIA 2016 about the possibility of Dolby Vision being implemented in the upcoming UDP-203.

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OK.... straight from OPPO:

"Dolby Vision support is not available at this time. We are using a custom MediaTek decoder chip, and MediaTek is a Dolby Vision partner (announced last September) so there is always hope"

Translation: probably

[klinemj]

Sept 19, 2016 16:08:28 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Sept 18, 2016 15:54:20 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Check out this Audioholics/Facebook video on the Oppo UDP-203.

www.facebook.com/Audioholics/videos/10154411289507165/

Okay, is this guy goofy or am I wrong on this.

The interviewer pronounces the first syllable in Oppo as Oh-Poe, like go, Joe or row. I pronounce it as Ah-poe, like operator or opposite. And the guy from Oppo who has an accent sort of sounds in-between.

So how does everyone else here say it?

I always said ah-poe, but when I bought a 105 the company rep called it an oh-poe. So, oh-poe it is!

Mark

[Gary Cook]

Sept 19, 2016 20:42:18 GMT -5 klinemj said:

Sept 19, 2016 16:08:28 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Okay, is this guy goofy or am I wrong on this.
The interviewer pronounces the first syllable in Oppo as Oh-Poe, like go, Joe or row. I pronounce it as Ah-poe, like operator or opposite. And the guy from Oppo who has an accent sort of sounds in-between.
So how does everyone else here say it?

I always said ah-poe, but when I bought a 105 the company rep called it an oh-poe. So, oh-poe it is!
Mark

In English, which is not the same as American, a vowel (that's A,E I, O and U) followed by a double consonant (the other letters in the alphabet) indicates the vowel is "soft", if followed by a single consonant then it would be "hard".

Examples of "o" followed by consonants;
Soft = hopping
Hard = oboe

The second "o" is the last letter of the word, hence "hard"

As a result in English Oppo is pronounced as a soft "o", consonants, followed by a hard "o".

If the owners of Oppo wanted it pronounced OPo then they should have spelt it that way.



Cheers
Gary

[KeithL]

There seems to be a serious disconnect with many people about what HDR does.......
(Unfortunately, most of the demos and print ads about HDR make the confusion worse rather than better.)

Here's the thing..... what HDR does is to ALLOW a picture to have a wider dynamic range and a wider color gamut.
- Dynamic range is the difference in brightness between the brightest and darkest areas (better dynamic range potentially means brighter brights, darker darks, and potentially more detail in each with less banding in areas of gradual change)
- Color gamut is the range of colors which can be presented (because the color space used in regular video is slightly limited, a wider gamut allows certain colors to be more fully saturated or smoother - for example really bright pure purple; there are certain very bright colors that an ordinary TV can't reproduce accurately; an HDR TV should be able to do a better job with them - ASSUMING THET ARE THERE TO BEGIN WITH.

HOWEVER, and here's the important part, HDR only ALLOWS  this improvement IF IT'S PRESENT IN THE ORIGINAL CONTENT.

So, for example, if you've got a Blu-Ray disc that was mastered five years ago, and looks good already, then there's nothing HDR can or should do to improve it. Because some high-quality video cameras have wider dynamic range and gamut than a typical TV, that video might have been compressed slightly when it was transferred to disc - and, if that's the case, then the HDR version may be a little better because it doesn't have to be compressed as much. However, since most content filmed until now was actually INTENDED to be viewed on an ordinary good-quality video monitor, don't expect a huge improvement. We're assuming that they'll start filming new content with cameras with wider dynamic range and better color gamut to take advantage of the capabilities of HDR, but we'll have to see how big of a difference that makes. In the mean time, most of the demos designed "to show how good HDR looks" have been artificially exaggerated to show off the difference - and often to exaggerate it to make it more obvious. (Also bear in mind that most current LCD panels, and many projectors, aren't technically capable of the full dynamic range of current non-HDR Blu-Ray discs, so feeding video to them with a wider dynamic range, or wider color gamut, isn't going to help them at all... in fact, they may actually look worse if they're struggling with content that they're even less able to display correctly. In other words, you can expect most TVs produced after next year to "support HDR" - but it's doubtful whether a low-quality display "with HDR" is going to look better than a high-quality display "without HDR".... HDR may well improve how high-quality video looks on a high-quality display, but it's not going to make much difference to the mediocre stuff... )

But, back to my original point, most of the current demos and print ads for HDR are not reasonable examples of how a real high quality HDR video would look next to its non-HDR counterpart; rather they're fabricated, and often exaggerated, examples of "what the difference would look like".... according to the marketing department. (Think of those TV commercials where they show you, on your TV, how much better picture you would get if you bought the other TV..... )

If you want to see the real difference, simply look at the SAME video on an HDR TV, and on a non-HDR TV next to it, in the showroom....... and see if YOU find the difference all that compelling.

Sept 19, 2016 16:01:50 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Sept 17, 2016 18:50:12 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Definitely will be waiting on the UDP-203.

I think I will wait and see what the UDP-205 has to offer.

EDIT: I'm not really planning to use it as a 4K player right away though, only as an upgrade and combination of my old Panny Blu-ray player and my old Denon Universal disc player. I hopefully won't be needing to replace my 1080p Panny ZT for a long time.

Note: Saw a big old LG 4K LED at Sam's club over the weekend doing a demo thing about HDR. The demo totally washed out and crushed regular HD on the left while it pumped HDR on the right. Looked like fake advertising to me. But while it did look very clear from straight on, the off axis viewing dropped dramatically fast and looked like crap. There is just no way I would like living with LCD tech. I want my future new TV to be more like an 85" OLED for $3000.

[cawgijoe]

I will be picking one of these up and using it right away. I'll be relocating my Oppo 103 to the bedroom. I have a standalone Darbee Darblet and will have to configure the system so that the 4K 203 when playing 4K blurays bi-passes the Darbee.

As far as I know Darbee is still working on a 4K Darblet.

[Bonzo]

Sept 19, 2016 22:57:57 GMT -5 KeithL said:

But, back to my original point, most of the current demos and print ads for HDR are not reasonable examples of how a real high quality HDR video would look next to its non-HDR counterpart; rather they're fabricated, and often exaggerated, examples of "what the difference would look like".... according to the marketing department. (Think of those TV commercials where they show you, on your TV, how much better picture you would get if you bought the other TV..... )

If you want to see the real difference, simply look at the SAME video on an HDR TV, and on a non-HDR TV next to it, in the showroom....... and see if YOU find the difference all that compelling.

Exactly. That's why I said it looked like "fake advertising." It was so obvious they had "deadened" the regular picture on the left and pumped the HDR on the right. It was totally bogus. What you need is 2 identical TV's side by side. But I doubt that will ever happen either. To see real differences both TV's would need to be precisely calibrated by a true professional. Even regular ISF calibration guys aren't used to making 2 TV's look identical side by side. Someone like Tom Norton from Sound & Vision does it all the time, but even his co-workers are astounded by how well he can do it.

The sad state of affairs here is that 99% of the population will believe it as is. They either don't know or just don't care. And now that we have the oh too similar UHD and HDR acronyms, what normal Joe Blow is going to keep those straight? Hell, most people think LED is actually a totally different technology than LCD. When I tell them all LED's are LCD's, but not all LCD's are LEDs, I get a deer in the headlights look. No clue.

[Bonzo]

Sept 19, 2016 20:59:05 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Sept 19, 2016 20:42:18 GMT -5 klinemj said:

I always said ah-poe, but when I bought a 105 the company rep called it an oh-poe. So, oh-poe it is!
Mark

In English, which is not the same as American, a vowel (that's A,E I, O and U) followed by a double consonant (the other letters in the alphabet) indicates the vowel is "soft", if followed by a single consonant then it would be "hard".

Examples of "o" followed by consonants;
Soft = hopping
Hard = oboe

The second "o" is the last letter of the word, hence "hard"

As a result in English Oppo is pronounced as a soft "o", consonants, followed by a hard "o".

If the owners of Oppo wanted it pronounced OPo then they should have spelt it that way.



Cheers
Gary

Well, does anyone know here the name Oppo actually came from? Is it some guy's name? Is it an acronym? Where did Oppo originate?

I was thinking along the lines of what you say above, but was thinking that instead of English, it might be more of an Asian name or reference. And perhaps the proper Asian pronunciation is Oh-poe?

Kind of like Denon. I say DEH-none. But I believe the proper Asian phrasing is more like Deh-NON. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And no one in the USA says Porsche properly. It's not Porsh. It's also not truly Por-shah (although much closer to correct than Porsh) as many say. In German, the stand alone letter E is properly pronounced like Fonzy says Aaaaaaaaa. Like hay, day, pay or ray. So it's really more like Por-shay. But, they also have many dialects (accents) in Germany, and others pronounce it as Por-sheh.

[monkumonku]

Sept 20, 2016 9:10:25 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Sept 19, 2016 20:59:05 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

In English, which is not the same as American, a vowel (that's A,E I, O and U) followed by a double consonant (the other letters in the alphabet) indicates the vowel is "soft", if followed by a single consonant then it would be "hard".

Examples of "o" followed by consonants;
Soft = hopping
Hard = oboe

The second "o" is the last letter of the word, hence "hard"

As a result in English Oppo is pronounced as a soft "o", consonants, followed by a hard "o".

If the owners of Oppo wanted it pronounced OPo then they should have spelt it that way.



Cheers
Gary

Well, does anyone know here the name Oppo actually came from? Is it some guy's name? Is it an acronym? Where did Oppo originate?

I was thinking along the lines of what you say above, but was thinking that instead of English, it might be more of an Asian name or reference. And perhaps the proper Asian pronunciation is Oh-poe?

Kind of like Denon. I say DEH-none. But I believe the proper Asian phrasing is more like Deh-NON. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And no one in the USA says Porsche properly. It's not Porsh. It's also not truly Por-shah (although much closer to correct than Porsh) as many say. In German, the stand alone letter E is properly pronounced like Fonzy says Aaaaaaaaa. Like hay, day, pay or ray. So it's really more like Por-shay. But, they also have many dialects (accents) in Germany, and others pronounce it as Por-sheh.

Why not call Oppo and ask them? I do distinctly remember either hearing or reading something from the powers that be over there that it is a long "o" so it is "Oh-poe."

For us to then tell them how they ought to be pronouncing their name based on the English way of spelling seems rather arrogant to me. Like telling Porsche that it should be pronounced "Porsh" because in America that's how we say it.

[Bonzo]

Sept 20, 2016 9:43:40 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

Why not call Oppo and ask them?

I'm not going to waste their time.

I do distinctly remember either hearing or reading something from the powers that be over there that it is a long "o" so it is "Oh-poe."

I'm sure with some internet research I could find out all the answers, but I'm not going to waste my time because it's not that important to me.

For us to then tell them how they ought to be pronouncing their name based on the English way of spelling seems rather arrogant to me. Like telling Porsche that it should be pronounced "Porsh" because in America that's how we say it.

+1. Totally agree. That's why I used the Porsche analogy. That one in particular always bugs me. People are either arrogant or stupid when they say Porsh. I don't blame people with the Italian car names so much because they can be quite different from English. Countach is Coon-tosh, Gallardo is Guy-ardo, and Hurican is euracon (and with dialect what I wrote isn't even totally accurate).

[monkumonku]

Sept 20, 2016 9:59:02 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Sept 20, 2016 9:43:40 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

Why not call Oppo and ask them?

I'm not going to waste their time.

Well just call them up and when they answer the phone with the company name, you can verify it that way and then hang up without saying anything. Then they'll just say, "it's another person calling to find out how to pronounce Oppo."