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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 11:13:22 GMT -5
The only thing wrong with the apps in the tv involves audio quality. The audio return usually only provides Dolby digital and not even DD+ to your receiver or propro let alone Dolby Atmos. Some of the apps are now including Dolby Atmos.
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Oppo 4K
Dec 15, 2016 11:16:30 GMT -5
Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 11:16:30 GMT -5
Huh? UHD is a designation for 4k video content..... it's not something you cans strip. If you're referring to the ability to "strip HDCP", then I doubt that the Oppo does that either (the HDMI license forbids it). HOWEVER, If you have a device that supports 4k VIDEO, but not HDCP 2.2, and you want to play 4k UHD video through it, you need a device that "converts HDCP 2.2 to HDCP 1.4". It's not "stripping the copy protection" - it is converting the newer version of the HDCP copy protection to the older one - which all HDMI 1.4b devices already support. (The original XMC-1 supports 4k/60 video but not HDCP 2.2.) Until about six months ago, this sort of little black box was generally considered to be illegal, and HDFury was about the only company offering one. However, due to a recent court decision and settlement, they are now NOT considered to be illegal (Monoprice sells one now for $39). What do I care, I have a Hdfury Integral! True, but the HDFury also allows for passing, blocking, or converting HDR and WCG metadata so that it is agreeable to the display device being served. |
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Dec 15, 2016 11:36:31 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Dec 15, 2016 11:36:31 GMT -5
Huh? UHD is a designation for 4k video content..... it's not something you cans strip. If you're referring to the ability to "strip HDCP", then I doubt that the Oppo does that either (the HDMI license forbids it). HOWEVER, If you have a device that supports 4k VIDEO, but not HDCP 2.2, and you want to play 4k UHD video through it, you need a device that "converts HDCP 2.2 to HDCP 1.4". It's not "stripping the copy protection" - it is converting the newer version of the HDCP copy protection to the older one - which all HDMI 1.4b devices already support. (The original XMC-1 supports 4k/60 video but not HDCP 2.2.) Until about six months ago, this sort of little black box was generally considered to be illegal, and HDFury was about the only company offering one. However, due to a recent court decision and settlement, they are now NOT considered to be illegal (Monoprice sells one now for $39). What do I care, I have a Hdfury Integral! Thanks so much! |
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Dec 15, 2016 11:47:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 11:47:37 GMT -5
BUT oppo has the ability to strip UHD...which the sammy cant... What do I care, I have a Hdfury Integral! I much rather put the 250$ the fury cost...add it to the money for the samsung k5800...and have a superior product in the oppo 203 |
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Dec 15, 2016 11:49:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 11:49:49 GMT -5
Huh? UHD is a designation for 4k video content..... it's not something you cans strip. If you're referring to the ability to "strip HDCP", then I doubt that the Oppo does that either (the HDMI license forbids it). HOWEVER, If you have a device that supports 4k VIDEO, but not HDCP 2.2, and you want to play 4k UHD video through it, you need a device that "converts HDCP 2.2 to HDCP 1.4". It's not "stripping the copy protection" - it is converting the newer version of the HDCP copy protection to the older one - which all HDMI 1.4b devices already support. (The original XMC-1 supports 4k/60 video but not HDCP 2.2.) Until about six months ago, this sort of little black box was generally considered to be illegal, and HDFury was about the only company offering one. However, due to a recent court decision and settlement, they are now NOT considered to be illegal (Monoprice sells one now for $39). What do I care, I have a Hdfury Integral! I mis typed...I meant strips HDR NOT UHD you strip HDR....which no projector..and MOST TV's cant properly reprodue...stripping the HDR metadata allows proper blakcs while still getting the major benefits of WCG |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:10:28 GMT -5
Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 12:10:28 GMT -5
What do I care, I have a Hdfury Integral! I much rather put the 250$ the fury cost...add it to the money for the samsung k5800...and have a superior product in the oppo 203 The HDFury only cost me $199. It does more than the OPPO does and updates and new feature are constantly being added to the Fury products. HDFury fought the good battle for us against the DRM and won with this product in April 2016 (their older products which actualy strip HDCP instead of converting it are still illegal). Monoprice, thanks to Legendsky, the owner of HDFury can now produce a low cost HDCP converter without having lost any skin in the game. I feel a little loyalty to this Chinese company who allowed me, via their HDFury 11 and IV products to enjoy HD entertainment on a $5000 ready for HD analog tv that I bought in 1991 and was able to use for 13 years thanks to HDFury. That TV is now in a dump somewhere, and I have moved on. |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:15:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 12:15:50 GMT -5
loyalty to a chinese company? lol ...ok
but what you pay for it (on the grey market) and what it reatails for 249$ for everyone else are two different things.
Id much rather my money go to oppo and an all in one product that has years of history...vs another piece in the video chain...and a Chinese company ...that sells its product (which feels cheap btw) in a blister pack...that's just me though (kind of like having an external darbee and a 103d with it built in)
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Dec 15, 2016 12:21:42 GMT -5
Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 12:21:42 GMT -5
loyalty to a chinese company? lol ...ok but what you pay for it (on the grey market) and what it reatails for 249$ for everyone else are two different things. Id much rather my money go to oppo and an all in one product that has years of history...vs another piece in the video chain...and a Chinese company ...that sells its product (which feels cheap btw) in a blister pack...that's just me though (kind of like having an external darbee and a 103d with it built in) ymmv And Emotiva has nothing to due with China? (sarcasm) And OPPO is a Chinese electronics manufacturer based in Guangdong! Go figure! |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:25:45 GMT -5
Post by brutiarti on Dec 15, 2016 12:25:45 GMT -5
loyalty to a chinese company? lol ...ok but what you pay for it (on the grey market) and what it reatails for 249$ for everyone else are two different things. Id much rather my money go to oppo and an all in one product that has years of history...vs another piece in the video chain...and a Chinese company ...that sells its product (which feels cheap btw) in a blister pack...that's just me though (kind of like having an external darbee and a 103d with it built in) ymmv And Emotiva has nothing to due with China? (sarcasm) I thought you were totally against Chinese manufacturers: In your own words "Audio GD, a Chinese intellectual property abuser. And the HE-1 is a custom product that costs twice the XSP-1. I'll stick with Emotiva of Tennesee!" |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:30:32 GMT -5
Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 12:30:32 GMT -5
And Emotiva has nothing to due with China? (sarcasm) I thought you were totally against Chinese manufacturers: In your own words "Audio GD, a Chinese intellectual property abuser. And the HE-1 is a custom product that costs twice the XSP-1. I'll stick with Emotiva of Tennesee!" I don't see any plurals in my statement! |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:42:56 GMT -5
Post by casey01 on Dec 15, 2016 12:42:56 GMT -5
I want one!!! When/if they add Darbee to it. I must admit I feel the same way, but,for myself personally, in order to be able to process all of my sources, like before, I would prefer an outboard unit. After talking to a couple of dealers that I know and within the past year after E-mailing Darbee directly twice about this, they refused to commit to anything about 4K in the near or distant future so I am assuming Oppo chose not to wait. All of this "non-committal" though, is rather bizarre considering the fact they had a display of a 4K set-up at the CES show and announced on their website in addition to having joined the ULTRA HD consortium in June, apparently chip sets for their new technology would be available later in the year(which is pretty much now), so who knows? The UDP 205 is being introduced in the coming months so maybe we'll see something then. |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:44:34 GMT -5
Post by brutiarti on Dec 15, 2016 12:44:34 GMT -5
I thought you were totally against Chinese manufacturers: In your own words "Audio GD, a Chinese intellectual property abuser. And the HE-1 is a custom product that costs twice the XSP-1. I'll stick with Emotiva of Tennesee!" I don't see any plurals in my statement! I never heard of audio gd products being pulled out of the market for copyrights infringement like some of the products of the chinese company that you feel loyal about. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 12:47:40 GMT -5
O.K. Lets let this go and let the folks continue to talk about their Oppo 203s!
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Dec 15, 2016 13:14:46 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Dec 15, 2016 13:14:46 GMT -5
to enjoy HD entertainment on a $5000 ready for HD analog tv that I bought in 1991 and was able to use for 13 years..... I think you typoed here. There was no such thing as an HD Ready TV in 1991. 1998 and 1999, yes. My old 55" CRT Mitsubishi was the second generation in 1999 and had a retail cost of $4000. And I know it certainly depends on where you live, and I only reference the U.S., but basically nobody (aka very few people) even had true HD available until around 2002, and even then it was spotty at best. Our local Dayton area was among the first in the country, I was a first adopter, and I didn't see HD on my TV until 2003. While it was available to some capacity, the majority of people really didn't start having HD in their homes until 2006 and after. I would guess 2008 was about the average, 5 years after I had it. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 15, 2016 13:41:08 GMT -5
to enjoy HD entertainment on a $5000 ready for HD analog tv that I bought in 1991 and was able to use for 13 years..... I think you typoed here. There was no such thing as an HD Ready TV in 1991. 1998 and 1999, yes. My old 55" CRT Mitsubishi was the second generation in 1999 and had a retail cost of $4000. And I know it certainly depends on where you live, and I only reference the U.S., but basically nobody (aka very few people) even had true HD available until around 2002, and even then it was spotty at best. Our local Dayton area was among the first in the country, I was a first adopter, and I didn't see HD on my TV until 2003. While it was available to some capacity, the majority of people really didn't start having HD in their homes until 2006 and after. I would guess 2008 was about the average, 5 years after I had it. Yes it was a typo, it was probably late 2001 when the new sets for 2002 came out here in the Atlanta area. It was 64" a Mitsubishi and it was a rear view monster. I bought a new Directv with Firewire output and HD capability on, I think, one station, HDNet owned by Mark Cuban. My next HD material came from a JVC HD tape recorder I bought in 2002 that sent and recorded over the air HD via firewire (mostly recorded HDNet movies). I only bought one pre-recorded tape movie, "Master and Commander" released in 2003. When HD analog was cut off by the DRM, I got an HDFury II to keep the HD coming to the Mitsubishi via HDMI/RGB conversion and I kept that tv until 2014 providing me with up to date HD (although the 1080I variety). I'm old and forgetful, but I don't purposely out and out lie. |
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Dec 15, 2016 14:44:09 GMT -5
Post by Bonzo on Dec 15, 2016 14:44:09 GMT -5
It was 64" a Mitsubishi and it was a rear view monster. I bought a new Directv with Firewire output and HD capability on, I think, one station, HDNet owned by Mark Cuban. Yeah, the first plasma I saw was a 1999-2000 42" Phillips and it cost $25,000. The Mitsubishi's were the only affordable one's in the first couple years. In 1999 they were 55" and 65", but changed over the years. At one point they had an 80" monster that was the schitt at the time. And yeah, HDNet was basically the first station to play HD 24-7. Mostly sports and wildlife stuff. Local stuff was hit or miss, and it all had to be turned on manually. I literally had to call stations to remind them to turn the switch for certain things because they forgot. Wow, Firewire. Haven't heard that name in a long time. Talk about a limited here one minute gone the next connection. Worse than DVI. Mitsubishi gambled on it and lost. I started by going down the entire Mitsubishi "Promise Module" fiasco in 2003. What a nightmare that was. Took 9 months, a zillion phone calls, about 50 letters, and like 5 vacations days, and in the end, I had to fight to get my money back and had no HD. Worst customer service thing I've ever been through. I will NEVER buy Mitsubishi again. Ended up buying the DirecTV Sony 200 unit which had flaws, and Crutchfield replaced it with the new 300 unit. Firewire was non-existant. I totally skipped the tape recorders as they were doomed from day one. Besides, after trying to get the "Promise Module" that was $1000, and then getting the Sony 300 that was $800, I was out of funds. For your JVC or some new device that lacked component outputs I presume? Because to my knowledge it's never actually been cut off by anyone major. Illegal to make and sell new equipment yes (as of 2012 I think, or somewhere there abouts give or take a year or 2), but old equipment with the component outputs still works. DirecTV boxes with component outs still work as far as I know (it did for sure until just a few years ago). A good reason to keep an old Oppo 95 around just in case you ever need analog Blu-ray HD video out in the boonies somewhere. Like I said, a typo. |
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Dec 15, 2016 17:25:14 GMT -5
Post by cawgijoe on Dec 15, 2016 17:25:14 GMT -5
I'll take the Oppo over any of the mainstream brands any day of the week. I've owned several bluray players and even the Sony BDP-S1000ES can't hold a candle to my Oppo 103. Much better build and sound quality. Support is fantastic. Don't even get me started with Sony or Samsung support. Firmware updates are documented. No comparison. Get a Roku or other streaming box if you need to for the apps. They are not expensive. I had to ditch an Oppo BDP-83 because it would not pass Dolby Atmos and all bluray players were supposed to pass it. I went to a BDP-103,which I still have, but the Samsung downconverted 1080P is better than that Oppo's 1080P. Also I have been enjoying 4K and UHD for almost an entire year now, while Oppo tried to catch up (I think they are strained). Is the 203 even better? I bet it would be tough to tell. I have never had a DVD or Bluray player fail on me. Metal is metal, set the thinner ones on top of the stack instead of on the bottom,and don't open up any of them else warranty is voided. As for sound quality, if you don't use the player's analog outs, there is no difference, period. You are lucky then. I've had one Sony fail and another have skipping issues. My neighbor had skipping problems with his Samsung and it wasn't bad discs. IMO the 103 I currently own is fantastic and I wish I had spent the money on one previously. The 103 is the only Oppo I have ever owned, but will be buying the 203. To each his own, I guess. |
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Dec 15, 2016 19:06:52 GMT -5
Post by Percussionista on Dec 15, 2016 19:06:52 GMT -5
The only thing wrong with the apps in the tv involves audio quality. The audio return usually only provides Dolby digital and not even DD+ to your receiver or propro let alone Dolby Atmos. Some of the apps are now including Dolby Atmos. If one is using the TV's toslink out, it more typically only has stereo. Those lucky enough to have TV's that send back 5.1 are indeed lucky, but I'd rather buy a movie disc than get crappy-ish audio from a streaming service (and I can more easily pause, search, etc. the disc than similar from a stream). The stream also eats bandwidth. I haven't used ARC back from the TV, and I know there have been problems with this implementation (in general) in the past. We have a Netflix account which we occasionally use, but I want the full audio straight into my surround processor without passing through the TV (unless it can pass the digital audio completely untouched). |
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Dec 16, 2016 13:38:07 GMT -5
Post by LCSeminole on Dec 16, 2016 13:38:07 GMT -5
For those of you interested, the UDP-203 is now back up on the pre-order cart as of 10am PST. I've tried for the last 30 minutes to order one, but the order page keeps timing out, thus I'm guessing everyone and their brother is trying to order one. I'm taking this as a sign that I'm not meant to have one until I get a 4K flat panel first, so I'll leave mine for someone else or their brother to order!  |
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 16, 2016 13:52:28 GMT -5
I would love to order one today, but I will probably be patient and wait till end of March or so as my birthday is in April and my wife has already bought stuff for Christmas.
Sometimes you have to work these things around events.
It's killing me though.
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