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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 24, 2016 7:18:27 GMT -5
I measure 'high end' by the specs of the equipment, not the price or the name. The Emo X series of the last few years is high powered, high performing, well built without exotic 1/4" faceplate metal and without cast enclosures, and therefore in my mind high end. Most high end manufacturers are small operations and do not have the volume to warrant specially designed integrated chips, so they use the same chips as everyone else. A few, very few, go to the extreme to designing their own discrete circuitry (Trinnov, Devalet, and I'm sure several others). But for the most part, they use the same electronics, and if they are really good design excellent power supply circuitry for these standard chips (as Emotiva).
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Post by Porscheguy on Sept 24, 2016 8:34:36 GMT -5
Emotiva is a for profit business and it goes where the market goes. They do not care about what 25 stalwarts in the forum want - if nobody else does.  |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 24, 2016 8:52:50 GMT -5
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Post by indyscammer on Sept 24, 2016 10:03:52 GMT -5
Midfi, HiFi....don't care. Without the Emotiva price value equation I would NOT own "Performance" gear like I do. Is there better out there? Yep. Is there better at the same price points? Harder to answer and I'd say no until someone shows me.
Is Emotiva abandoning the high end? I'd say they are trying to find the volume point for their business model.
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Post by Porscheguy on Sept 24, 2016 10:27:49 GMT -5
Midfi, HiFi....don't care. Without the Emotiva price value equation I would NOT own "Performance" gear like I do. Is there better out there? Yep. Is there better at the same price points? Harder to answer and I'd say no until someone shows me. Is Emotiva abandoning the high end? I'd say they are trying to find the volume point for their business model. To be honest, even "mid-fi" now approaches "hi-end" now. There are some very good speakers and electronics that have blurred that line. Gone are the days when you needed to spend 10K on speakers or a power amp. Even receivers now have more than enough performance for most. Even if the audiophiles won't admit it |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 24, 2016 10:47:54 GMT -5
Midfi, HiFi....don't care. Without the Emotiva price value equation I would NOT own "Performance" gear like I do. Is there better out there? Yep. Is there better at the same price points? Harder to answer and I'd say no until someone shows me. Is Emotiva abandoning the high end? I'd say they are trying to find the volume point for their business model. Right now the new line up has little that interests me. But like you said Indy, for me, without that value I wouldn't be able to afford any of this stuff. I have listened to some very high priced systems. They run at between $25 to $40,000. And I'm happy to say that my current system wasn't embarrassed in the least. There were somethings those systems could do better - usually it had to do with a more holographic image. But there were things my system did better too. At those prices, that shouldn't be the outcome. But it is proof that it's amazing what I have for the price I spent and it's all thanks to Emotiva. They make it hard to upgrade! |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Sept 24, 2016 18:26:55 GMT -5
Well kids,
As Lonnie has mentioned, we have lots going on and at the moment we have a large part of our engineering team devoted to completing the new Atmos-DTS/X products. This is a HUGE engineering effort... this is why there are only a couple of company's out there doing it.
Nearly every major AVR/AVP solution on the market today comes for one main builder in Korea. The investment in this product area is not for the faint of heart.
The other super high-end processors ($15k and up) come from a couple of other makers. One is DSP based and the other computer based, and they have a couple of OEM variants each These products are our bogeys. Not Marantz, or Denon et al, even though we'll be compared to them price wise. We are going to crush in this area and we will be disruptive, so to speak. I'm quite certain of it.
So, make no mistake, we are fully committed to the high-end in the home theater space, Emotiva style. As you can imagine, we have a product road map that will complement these very high performance processor solutions. We will also use this new technology base to go down in price to offer very high values solutions too.
And while we are rolling out the new object based decoder's and upgrades, we still believe there are many people who don't care about 3D sound very much. They'd rather have quality than quantity. I might be among them, although I do love the 3D sound experience when it is done on a high level. I'm not interested in throwing up a couple of reflecting speakers or buying some general purpose in ceiling speakers for height and calling it high end.
At the same time we are committed to the 2 channel world just as seriously, as you will soon see.
And yes, we LOVE the "low end" of the high-end!!! That's where all of the fun is and it's harder to to good high value audio than throwing money on a solution. Our new BasX line, which you have new seen part of, and will learn a LOT more about in the coming few weeks, shows we are going to turn few heads here too!
So, have fun guessing, but never lose faith in us. We're just getting started!!
Peace out,
Big Dan
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Post by novisnick on Sept 24, 2016 18:45:17 GMT -5
So when you say that y'all are committed to high end two channel, are you talking about XPR level gear forthe smaller market or are you rolling with the new XPA gen 3 series as the high end? Thanks dan Laufman |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Sept 24, 2016 18:46:21 GMT -5
You'll see... |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 24, 2016 19:28:14 GMT -5
You'll see... Do something like this with the milled XPR faces and innards and im your minstrel mouse!   |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 24, 2016 21:26:20 GMT -5
Okay so I found this vinyl. Which btw I washed all the vinyl in soap and water. But I may ahve done it wrong! I think I've gon e and misplaced your darn brush Nick! I think it would be very helpful right now. This vinyl is a WONDERFUL and I mean WONDERFULLY recorded piano piece. It feels very real. Unfortunately oh my gosh talk about snap crackle pop. All over the place. But surprisingly looking at the vinyl it looks quite clean!! Anyway, very nice sounding recording. It's pretty incredible that this $13 PYLE phono preamp can sound anywhere near this good. I mean half of that was two day shipping! So it was essentially a $7 throw away item. But I can't hear any hiss from the preamp. It sounds pretty clean. |
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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 24, 2016 22:12:21 GMT -5
Well kids, As Lonnie has mentioned, we have lots going on and at the moment we have a large part of our engineering team devoted to completing the new Atmos-DTS/X products. This is a HUGE engineering effort... this is why there are only a couple of company's out there doing it. Nearly every major AVR/AVP solution on the market today comes for one main builder in Korea. The investment in this product area is not for the faint of heart. The other super high-end processors ($15k and up) come from a couple of other makers. One is DSP based and the other computer based, and they have a couple of OEM variants each These products are our bogeys. Not Marantz, or Denon et al, even though we'll be compared to them price wise. We are going to crush in this area and we will be disruptive, so to speak. I'm quite certain of it. So, make no mistake, we are fully committed to the high-end in the home theater space, Emotiva style. As you can imagine, we have a product road map that will complement these very high performance processor solutions. We will also use this new technology base to go down in price to offer very high values solutions too.And while we are rolling out the new object based decoder's and upgrades, we still believe there are many people who don't care about 3D sound very much. They'd rather have quality than quantity. I might be among them, although I do love the 3D sound experience when it is done on a high level. I'm not interested in throwing up a couple of reflecting speakers or buying some general purpose in ceiling speakers for height and calling it high end. At the same time we are committed to the 2 channel world just as seriously, as you will soon see. And yes, we LOVE the "low end" of the high-end!!! That's where all of the fun is and it's harder to to good high value audio than throwing money on a solution. Our new BasX line, which you have new seen part of, and will learn a LOT more about in the coming few weeks, shows we are going to turn few heads here too! So, have fun guessing, but never lose faith in us. We're just getting started!! Peace out, Big Dan Big Dan, thanks for the insights. And FYI - the phrases in red are particularly exciting!!! I know Emotiva hadn't shown its full hand. Just my speculation here, but I hope, one of those complementary products is a fully differential, balanced single-wide amp module so we can have 7-channel balanced amp to go with either the XMC-1 or XMC-1L (if the later makes it to market). Would such an amplifier be a first in the market? Again, ALL pure speculation on my part, but I am hoping (and hinting).    |
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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 24, 2016 22:16:02 GMT -5
You'll see... Do something like this with the milled XPR faces and innards and im your minstrel mouse! AMEN on the amp with big blue meters!!! Even if it is a limited series....Wow would it be awesome for a two channel setup!  |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 24, 2016 22:33:12 GMT -5
Okay so I found this vinyl. Which btw I washed all the vinyl in soap and water. But I may ahve done it wrong! I think I've gon e and misplaced your darn brush Nick! I think it would be very helpful right now. This vinyl is a WONDERFUL and I mean WONDERFULLY recorded piano piece. It feels very real. Unfortunately oh my gosh talk about snap crackle pop. All over the place. But surprisingly looking at the vinyl it looks quite clean!! Anyway, very nice sounding recording. It's pretty incredible that this $13 PYLE phono preamp can sound anywhere near this good. I mean half of that was two day shipping! So it was essentially a $7 throw away item. But I can't hear any hiss from the preamp. It sounds pretty clean. May need a static buster of some sort, also detergents in most soaps aren't particularly good for vinyl. Get the spin clean and use it's solution and it gets in the groves pretty well for the price. Also could try changing the mat or if its "cold there"lol may need "more humidity" also lol for you Louisiana boys. 😂 |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 24, 2016 22:42:20 GMT -5
You'll see... Oh man...you hinting at the r-series toaster with 2 toast slots?!?!? And the two cup coffee pot??? Mmmm... Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 24, 2016 23:05:35 GMT -5
You'll see... Oh man...you hinting at the r-series toaster with 2 toast slots?!?!? And the two cup coffee pot??? Mmmm... Mark And it also may come as a deluxe model with a tube driven clock!! |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 25, 2016 0:09:23 GMT -5
Okay so I found this vinyl. Which btw I washed all the vinyl in soap and water. But I may ahve done it wrong! I think I've gon e and misplaced your darn brush Nick! I think it would be very helpful right now. This vinyl is a WONDERFUL and I mean WONDERFULLY recorded piano piece. It feels very real. Unfortunately oh my gosh talk about snap crackle pop. All over the place. But surprisingly looking at the vinyl it looks quite clean!! Anyway, very nice sounding recording. It's pretty incredible that this $13 PYLE phono preamp can sound anywhere near this good. I mean half of that was two day shipping! So it was essentially a $7 throw away item. But I can't hear any hiss from the preamp. It sounds pretty clean. May need a static buster of some sort, also detergents in most soaps are particularly good for vinyl. Get the spin clean and use it's solution and it gets in the groves pretty well for the price. Also could try changing the mat or if its "cold there"lol may need "more humidity" also lol for you Louisiana boys. 😂 Ah geez I'm sorry I posted in the wrong thread! My bad. But yeah I'm using an anti static brush now. |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 1:25:52 GMT -5
May need a static buster of some sort, also detergents in most soaps are particularly good for vinyl. Get the spin clean and use it's solution and it gets in the groves pretty well for the price. Also could try changing the mat or if its "cold there"lol may need "more humidity" also lol for you Louisiana boys. 😂 Ah geez I'm sorry I posted in the wrong thread! My bad. But yeah I'm using an anti static brush now. Sorry Garbulky, I meant soap detergents (are not) good for vinyl. A good friend tipped me off to my auto-correct error. Sorry |
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Post by leonski on Sept 25, 2016 2:26:20 GMT -5
Wanna' try an experiment with some sacrificial vinyl? www.apartmenttherapy.com/why-wood-glue-is-the-best-way-155894This is the craziest thing I ever heard a bunch of non-related persons swear to. I have NEVER done this since I'm out of the Vinyl racket, but this makes a sort of twisted sense. Do NOT use a wood glue with a solvent base. PS: A LONG time ago, I tried Armor All. It actually worked but left a nasty residue so was never tried again. |
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Post by yves on Sept 25, 2016 6:48:34 GMT -5
Wanna' try an experiment with some sacrificial vinyl? www.apartmenttherapy.com/why-wood-glue-is-the-best-way-155894This is the craziest thing I ever heard a bunch of non-related persons swear to. I have NEVER done this since I'm out of the Vinyl racket, but this makes a sort of twisted sense. Do NOT use a wood glue with a solvent base. PS: A LONG time ago, I tried Armor All. It actually worked but left a nasty residue so was never tried again. TergiKleen works much better than wood glue, just needs to be rinsed thoroughly afterwards, then use vacuum for a final rinse. |
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