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Post by gunslingerfin on Apr 29, 2024 6:48:45 GMT -5
Sorry for resurrecting old thread, but has anyone done this besides rennocneb?
I found myself in need of moving power modules from one XPA to another, and shipping both units for Emotiva to do this is simply out of question. I'd assume there is nothing special about the removal / installation of the modules? If there is anything besides unplugging and plugging cables and screwing the module in and out, I'd say it defeats the whole purpose of modular units in the first place.
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 29, 2024 6:58:27 GMT -5
Sorry for resurrecting old thread, but has anyone done this besides rennocneb? I found myself in need of moving power modules from one XPA to another, and shipping both units for Emotiva to do this is simply out of question. I'd assume there is nothing special about the removal / installation of the modules? If there is anything besides unplugging and plugging cables and screwing the module in and out, I'd say it defeats the whole purpose of modular units in the first place. I'm not sure about the procedure, but I believe Emotiva runs complete diagnostics on the amp after they add/replace blades to make sure everything is running as it should. I would give them a call to discuss before making any decisions. |
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 29, 2024 7:34:38 GMT -5
Sorry for resurrecting old thread, but has anyone done this besides rennocneb? I found myself in need of moving power modules from one XPA to another, and shipping both units for Emotiva to do this is simply out of question. I'd assume there is nothing special about the removal / installation of the modules? If there is anything besides unplugging and plugging cables and screwing the module in and out, I'd say it defeats the whole purpose of modular units in the first place. Even though the amplifier blades are of a modular design, the Gen 3 amps were never intended to be "user" upgraded due to the dangerous and potentially lethal high voltages stored inside. While there's nothing stopping you (other than voiding any remaining warranty or injuring/ending yourself), I'd suggest you not try... If shipping them back to Emotiva to do the work is "out of the question", maybe there's a local shop that understands the design and can safely do this for you. This, however, would still void your warranty. |
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Post by gunslingerfin on Apr 29, 2024 7:50:14 GMT -5
Thank you for your input. I did read the previous replies and I do know that removing and installing the modules is not meant to be done by customers themselves. That said, I was looking for input from other people who might have done it before.
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Post by PaulBe on Apr 29, 2024 8:23:45 GMT -5
Thank you for your input. I did read the previous replies and I do know that removing and installing the modules is not meant to be done by customers themselves. That said, I was looking for input from other people who might have done it before. Emotiva's implementation of modularity makes it easier for Emotiva to service the amps. It's not difficult for someone with a technical and electrical background to swap a module, but doing this comes with enough risk to recommend replacement by the factory or authorized local service; to avoid loss of warranty and potentially costly mistakes, and to prevent customer injury. True modularity down to the customer level would include modules that plug in with an edge connector. Even then, an accepted procedure still needs to be followed; like power down first before the swap. Any complex electrical system may have an occasional problem. It's part of the hidden cost of ownership. |
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Post by geebo on Apr 29, 2024 19:07:27 GMT -5
Sorry for resurrecting old thread, but has anyone done this besides rennocneb? I found myself in need of moving power modules from one XPA to another, and shipping both units for Emotiva to do this is simply out of question. I'd assume there is nothing special about the removal / installation of the modules? If there is anything besides unplugging and plugging cables and screwing the module in and out, I'd say it defeats the whole purpose of modular units in the first place. I'm not sure about the procedure, but I believe Emotiva runs complete diagnostics on the amp after they add/replace blades to make sure everything is running as it should. I would give them a call to discuss before making any decisions. They do indeed. I've had my XPA upgraded twice (from 2 to 3 and then to 5 channels) and they performed a full power burn in test followed by an AP test each time. During the last upgrade they found one of the blades was not performing up to spec (not audible) and they replaced that blade for free. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 30, 2024 20:40:46 GMT -5
Thank you for your input. I did read the previous replies and I do know that removing and installing the modules is not meant to be done by customers themselves. That said, I was looking for input from other people who might have done it before. What I don’t understand is how people would get the modules to do the upgrade? Presumably Emotiva won’t sell them, except with installation. It’s possible, that if say I wanted to replace two of my mono boards with two stereo boards, and I took the mono boards out before sending the amp back, I could sell them on the side, but otherwise where do you get the boards? |
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Post by doc1963 on May 1, 2024 13:36:26 GMT -5
Thank you for your input. I did read the previous replies and I do know that removing and installing the modules is not meant to be done by customers themselves. That said, I was looking for input from other people who might have done it before. What I don’t understand is how people would get the modules to do the upgrade? Presumably Emotiva won’t sell them, except with installation. It’s possible, that if say I wanted to replace two of my mono boards with two stereo boards, and I took the mono boards out before sending the amp back, I could sell them on the side, but otherwise where do you get the boards? Normally, we can't. You're correct in assuming that Emotiva will not sell them directly to a consumer. But in this case, the OP already owns two XPA Gen3 amplifiers and wants to remove blades from one and install them in the other. Regarding your other scenario, if you wanted to ship an amp to Emotiva to swap (or upgrade) blades, all of the original blades must be present. Whatever blades they remove for the upgrade becomes Emotiva's property and are not returned to the owner. |
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Post by geebo on May 1, 2024 14:20:01 GMT -5
What I don’t understand is how people would get the modules to do the upgrade? Presumably Emotiva won’t sell them, except with installation. It’s possible, that if say I wanted to replace two of my mono boards with two stereo boards, and I took the mono boards out before sending the amp back, I could sell them on the side, but otherwise where do you get the boards? Normally, we can't. You're correct in assuming that Emotiva will not sell them directly to a consumer. But in this case, the OP already owns two XPA Gen3 amplifiers and wants to remove blades from one and install them in the other. Regarding your other scenario, if you wanted to ship an amp to Emotiva to swap (or upgrade) blades, all of the original blades must be present. Whatever blades they remove for the upgrade becomes Emotiva's property and are not returned to the owner. But if adding blades as I did twice there is nothing for them to keep. |
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Post by doc1963 on May 1, 2024 14:31:49 GMT -5
Normally, we can't. You're correct in assuming that Emotiva will not sell them directly to a consumer. But in this case, the OP already owns two XPA Gen3 amplifiers and wants to remove blades from one and install them in the other. Regarding your other scenario, if you wanted to ship an amp to Emotiva to swap (or upgrade) blades, all of the original blades must be present. Whatever blades they remove for the upgrade becomes Emotiva's property and are not returned to the owner. But if adding blades as I did twice there is nothing for them to keep. True... I upgraded my "Five" to a "Nine" by adding two stereo blades. But if someone were to want an upgrade were " swapping" blades is required (as AudioHTIT suggests in his scenario), they keep the originals. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 1, 2024 22:18:55 GMT -5
But if adding blades as I did twice there is nothing for them to keep. True... I upgraded my "Five" to a "Nine" by adding two stereo blades. But if someone were to want an upgrade were "swapping" blades is required (as AudioHTIT suggests in his scenario), they keep the originals.That never sat well with me, the cost is the same whether you send them full slots or empty slots, however with the former they end up with something they can resell, in say a refurb, seems you should get some credit toward the upgrade. |
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Post by doc1963 on May 2, 2024 1:03:16 GMT -5
True... I upgraded my "Five" to a "Nine" by adding two stereo blades. But if someone were to want an upgrade were "swapping" blades is required (as AudioHTIT suggests in his scenario), they keep the originals.That never sat well with me, the cost is the same whether you send them full slots or empty slots, however with the former they end up with something they can resell, in say a refurb, seems you should get some credit toward the upgrade. That's very true... and while I can't say with 100% certainty that they don't offer a discount or credit on the back end for "swapped out" blades (because my upgrade involved adding them to empty slots), the terms of the upgrade made it very clear they keep the blades that are removed. I'm sure they likely do this as an effort to keep them out of the hands of untrained users and off of the second hand market... and possibly to help protect themselves from any potential liability as a result thereof. |
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Post by gunslingerfin on May 2, 2024 7:58:30 GMT -5
What I don’t understand is how people would get the modules to do the upgrade? Presumably Emotiva won’t sell them, except with installation. It’s possible, that if say I wanted to replace two of my mono boards with two stereo boards, and I took the mono boards out before sending the amp back, I could sell them on the side, but otherwise where do you get the boards? Normally, we can't. You're correct in assuming that Emotiva will not sell them directly to a consumer. But in this case, the OP already owns two XPA Gen3 amplifiers and wants to remove blades from one and install them in the other. Regarding your other scenario, if you wanted to ship an amp to Emotiva to swap (or upgrade) blades, all of the original blades must be present. Whatever blades they remove for the upgrade becomes Emotiva's property and are not returned to the owner. Yup. I already have two XPA (gen. 3) amplifiers, and I want to move module or two from one unit to the other. Why? I'm moving, and the new home theater room will have totally different layout than the old one. If I keep the amplifier setup as is, I need to put in ~ 2 miles of extra cables (both XLR and speaker). By moving module or two into another amp I could minimize the need for cables. Why I want to do it myself? Emotiva does not have representation at Finland, so there is no (official) service where I could send the units here. I would need to ship them in middle Europe, and insured shipping for two units to ways would easily cost several hundred €€€ and the turnaround time would be weeks. I'm also both mechanically and electrically inclined person, so I'm not afraid to do it myself and I know how to not get killed when working with electricity. I just wanted to make sure that it's _possible_ to do before doing it myself, as both units still have warranty, and I don't want to void the warranty just to find out that it's not possible to swap them myself. |
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Post by PaulBe on May 2, 2024 8:33:57 GMT -5
Normally, we can't. You're correct in assuming that Emotiva will not sell them directly to a consumer. But in this case, the OP already owns two XPA Gen3 amplifiers and wants to remove blades from one and install them in the other. Regarding your other scenario, if you wanted to ship an amp to Emotiva to swap (or upgrade) blades, all of the original blades must be present. Whatever blades they remove for the upgrade becomes Emotiva's property and are not returned to the owner. Yup. I already have two XPA (gen. 3) amplifiers, and I want to move module or two from one unit to the other. Why? I'm moving, and the new home theater room will have totally different layout than the old one. If I keep the amplifier setup as is, I need to put in ~ 2 miles of extra cables (both XLR and speaker). By moving module or two into another amp I could minimize the need for cables. Why I want to do it myself? Emotiva does not have representation at Finland, so there is no (official) service where I could send the units here. I would need to ship them in middle Europe, and insured shipping for two units to ways would easily cost several hundred €€€ and the turnaround time would be weeks. I'm also both mechanically and electrically inclined person, so I'm not afraid to do it myself and I know how to not get killed when working with electricity. I just wanted to make sure that it's _possible_ to do before doing it myself, as both units still have warranty, and I don't want to void the warranty just to find out that it's not possible to swap them myself. Perhaps purchasing another XPA with needed channel count is a reasonable solution. You would have spare modules for the future, and the distribution you want. I use distributed 2 channel amps in my system. It's versatile; minimizes limitations; keeps speaker cables short; makes troubleshooting easier. I won't lose my system with an amp failure. Yes, it is more expensive. |
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Post by gunslingerfin on May 6, 2024 1:54:20 GMT -5
In hindsight, it would have been better to purchase one 3 channel amp and then a stack of 2 channel amps. That is definitely the way I would do it know, if a were purchasing new amps for the room. I'm just trying get by with the amps I now have.
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