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Post by PhilB on Dec 19, 2016 21:31:48 GMT -5
I'm hoping the S15 hits the site soon!!!! I really want to see some pictures of it, and am seriously considering it to replace my Paradigm PS-1000 Same here. I really like the way the curve looks on the S10 though. The S15 looks to be a monster.....LOL!!!! BTW, I used to own a Paradigm PS-1000 as well. It was decent for HT, but not very good musically speaking. Does anyone know here if the the " Low Frequency Boost Control" filters used on the S10/S12/S15 are true high pass albeit subsonic or just typical notch filters? Having that kind of tweaking capability will be quite useful in my small room. Cheers, Phil |
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Post by thoff on Dec 20, 2016 8:12:07 GMT -5
I'm hoping the S15 hits the site soon!!!! I really want to see some pictures of it, and am seriously considering it to replace my Paradigm PS-1000 Same here. I really like the way the curve looks on the S10 though. The S15 looks to be a monster.....LOL!!!! BTW, I used to own a Paradigm PS-1000 as well. It was decent for HT, but not very good musically speaking. Does anyone know here if the the " Low Frequency Boost Control" filters used on the S10/S12/S15 are true high pass albeit subsonic or just typical notch filters? Having that kind of tweaking capability will be quite useful in my small room. Cheers, Phil I'm with you in that I like the symmetrical look of the S10/S12. That's why I want to see actual pictures of the S15 before I decide whether to go with the S15 or S12. Either way, it should be a huge upgrade over the PS1000. I have the v4 which is 200watts. So if I go to the S15, it'll be a 5 inch/450 watt upgrade.  I have had that sub for 8+ years. The itch to change/upgrade is strong. |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 20, 2016 10:14:16 GMT -5
The Low Frequency Boost Control is a band-pass, which makes a gentle "bump", centered around 35 Hz - which makes movies and music sound "punchier". Note that it is similar for all the models, but not identical - due to differences in the drivers and cabinet tuning. I'm hoping the S15 hits the site soon!!!! I really want to see some pictures of it, and am seriously considering it to replace my Paradigm PS-1000 Same here. I really like the way the curve looks on the S10 though. The S15 looks to be a monster.....LOL!!!! BTW, I used to own a Paradigm PS-1000 as well. It was decent for HT, but not very good musically speaking. Does anyone know here if the the " Low Frequency Boost Control" filters used on the S10/S12/S15 are true high pass albeit subsonic or just typical notch filters? Having that kind of tweaking capability will be quite useful in my small room. Cheers, Phil |
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Post by speakerman49 on Dec 20, 2016 10:40:53 GMT -5
Same here. I really like the way the curve looks on the S10 though. The S15 looks to be a monster.....LOL!!!! BTW, I used to own a Paradigm PS-1000 as well. It was decent for HT, but not very good musically speaking. Does anyone know here if the the " Low Frequency Boost Control" filters used on the S10/S12/S15 are true high pass albeit subsonic or just typical notch filters? Having that kind of tweaking capability will be quite useful in my small room. Cheers, Phil I'm with you in that I like the symmetrical look of the S10/S12. That's why I want to see actual pictures of the S15 before I decide whether to go with the S15 or S12. Either way, it should be a huge upgrade over the PS1000. I have the v4 which is 200watts. So if I go to the S15, it'll be a 5 inch/450 watt upgrade. I have had that sub for 8+ years. The itch to change/upgrade is strong. After looking a bit closer to the curves, I think that the Airmotiv S10 is exactly what I am looking for. That is, I am not looking for something with a lot of output down to the lower 20's or even lower. But rather, only down to the mid 20's or even a bit higher. The reason being is that I reside in a 1 BR apartment that is very small. My room is only 1,440 ft. ^3. Going w/the S12 or even the S15 due to room gain is going to add even more energy way down low. That in turn, has a tendency to muddy things up above say 40 Hz where most of the musical action is at. Of course, proper EQ, placement, and etc. can help tame those peaks. Given my preference is on music that is why I prefer the curve of the S10. Between Audyssey and the Low Frequency Boost control should help me to get things dialed in just right to my liking. The peaks is the real problem. Especially, in a small room like mine. Thinking dual S10's would work very well for me. At least, that is my hope! Cheers, Phil |
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Post by speakerman49 on Dec 20, 2016 10:48:29 GMT -5
The Low Frequency Boost Control is a band-pass, which makes a gentle "bump", centered around 35 Hz - which makes movies and music sound "punchier". Note that it is similar for all the models, but not identical - due to differences in the drivers and cabinet tuning. Thanks Keith for the info. The -3db@30 Hz is going to come in handy for me. I like punchy and tight when it comes to my bass. Just not needing anything much lower than mid 20's or even a bit higher. Really like the curve on the S10. Thinking duals would do the trick for me. The curves don't look too bad on the BasX S10 or even the S8. Do plan to get a S8 for my JBL 305's that use for my desktop. But looking seriously at the BasXS8/S10 and/or the Airmotiv S10 for my other needs. Should be ordering soon. Cheers, Phil Same here. I really like the way the curve looks on the S10 though. The S15 looks to be a monster.....LOL!!!! BTW, I used to own a Paradigm PS-1000 as well. It was decent for HT, but not very good musically speaking. Does anyone know here if the the " Low Frequency Boost Control" filters used on the S10/S12/S15 are true high pass albeit subsonic or just typical notch filters? Having that kind of tweaking capability will be quite useful in my small room. Cheers, Phil |
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Post by speakerman49 on Dec 20, 2016 16:54:47 GMT -5
Keith, if there is a gentle bump centered at 35 Hz, how does that allow for a -3db at 30 Hz then? I mean how does that work actually? I could see that a gentle bump would add to the +6db at 30 Hz. But,a bit confused on the -3db at 30 Hz? Once I place dual Airmotiv S10's in my room the low end is going to be a bit problematic due to room gain. I was thinking that the -3db at 30 Hz would help to tame the peaks. Of course, Audyssey will help as well, but is limited to a MAX 10 db cut. I am trying to avoid bloated bass in the very low frequencies of the S10 so that 40 Hz and higher will not get muddied up which is where most of the musical action is at. That is why I really like the curve for the Airmotive S10 more than the S12. Do I make sense here?
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Phil
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Post by speakerman49 on Dec 21, 2016 16:56:05 GMT -5
Anyone? Can someone explain to me how a gentle bump at 35 Hz is going to allow for a -3db drop at 30 Hz? I can see how it could easily add +6 db at 30 Hz. Sorry guys just trying to learn something here. Have come a long ways, but still many things to learn. Thanks a bunch! Merry Christmas to everyone!
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Phil
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Post by KeithL on Dec 21, 2016 18:06:35 GMT -5
It's because we're tricky devils.....  The LF Boost control affects the band of frequencies centered around 35 Hz. It actually goes from -3 dB to +9 dB, so you can also use it to add a slight drop if you like. Anyone? Can someone explain to me how a gentle bump at 35 Hz is going to allow for a -3db drop at 30 Hz? I can see how it could easily add +6 db at 30 Hz. Sorry guys just trying to learn something here. Have come a long ways, but still many things to learn. Thanks a bunch! Merry Christmas to everyone! Cheers, Phil |
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Post by speakerman49 on Dec 21, 2016 21:30:07 GMT -5
It's because we're tricky devils..... The LF Boost control affects the band of frequencies centered around 35 Hz. It actually goes from -3 dB to +9 dB, so you can also use it to add a slight drop if you like. Thanks Keith. Well, I am sure I will use the -3db setting albeit all the way to the left of center position because room gain is really going to be a problem. I am thinking dual Airmotiv S10's for my needs which are mostly musical. I do, however, still want decent HT extension/performance because I do watch a movie every now and then. I really like the curve on the S10 being ~ -14db down at 20 Hz and about -6db at 25 Hz. Hopefully, with room gain taken into account and using the -3db at 30 Hz will not muddy things up above 40 Hz or so where most of the music action is at. Got to watch the peaks in my small room. Not to mention, I live upstairs in a small 1 BR apartment. So, I am sure you understand my concern. Eventually, I may also incorporate a miniDSP 2 X 4 and REW. I am also thinking a BasX S8 to go with my JBL 305's Studio Monitors that I use for my desktop. Good plan? I only listen to music when on my desktop. Figured, the S8 would give me enough low end. Comments? Input? Thanks Keith! Cheers, Phil Anyone? Can someone explain to me how a gentle bump at 35 Hz is going to allow for a -3db drop at 30 Hz? I can see how it could easily add +6 db at 30 Hz. Sorry guys just trying to learn something here. Have come a long ways, but still many things to learn. Thanks a bunch! Merry Christmas to everyone! Cheers, Phil |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 16:15:07 GMT -5
One more note: The frequency response for all subs is measured with the LF Boost control set to the "0" position, which is the position where it results in the flattest response from the amplifier over the widest bandwidth. You may be able to get more deep bass from the Airmotiv subs by increasing the boost to the maximum setting, but at the expense of response flatness which needs to then be smoothed out by room-correction algorithms in the pre/pro if available, and you may end up hitting the limiter more frequently (resulting in potentially audible distortion).
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