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Post by hosko on Dec 20, 2016 16:13:45 GMT -5
Tried out a level 3 Anticables AES/EBU cable to connect my ERC-3 and YGGY, and the experience was seriously underwhelming! I was flirting with the idea of trying out their level 4 XLR cables between the YGGY and pre-amp, but I lost interest. Ditto for a Shunyata Zitron Python AES/EBU cable I was going to try... However, I have had some excellent results with Norne Audio headphone cables, especially, the Silvergarde S on my Hifiman He-1000, and the Draug v2 on the Hifiman He-6. The difference these two cables have made as compared to the stock cables, is quite substantial, and can be identified in any AB testing (at least to my ears, no question : I seem to have developed nearly allergic physiological reactions to the stock cables since receiving the Norne aftermarket cables, and any kind of testing produces the same differences)... I am going to experiment next with some Norne XLR cables... We shall have to wait and see what differences (if any) those would make... You do realize that with AES audio its a digital signal much like HDMI, it either works or it doesn't. It is designed to work for broadcast studios and outside broadcast trucks. No one uses expensive cables, its designed to work with any well made XLR cable. |
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Post by ccw10 on Dec 20, 2016 20:04:04 GMT -5
[quote author=" ccw10 " "The XLRs are way more efficient"[ ] Not a chance of this Well I invite you over to my house and I will demonstrate for you. Very big difference! The XLR cables are not defective. Nor are the RCAs that I used. I don't believe I'm nuts but If you all can't believe that an XLR to XLR cable connection can be more efficient than RCA to RCA (depending on the cables) then what is the need or purpose of the additional XLR outputs? Please set me straight. And I invite anyone over for a demonstration on my system. Aslo, the PBJs definitely altered the soundstage on my system. Blind test not needed. It was immediate and obvious. |
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Post by sahmen on Dec 20, 2016 20:50:48 GMT -5
Tried out a level 3 Anticables AES/EBU cable to connect my ERC-3 and YGGY, and the experience was seriously underwhelming! I was flirting with the idea of trying out their level 4 XLR cables between the YGGY and pre-amp, but I lost interest. Ditto for a Shunyata Zitron Python AES/EBU cable I was going to try... However, I have had some excellent results with Norne Audio headphone cables, especially, the Silvergarde S on my Hifiman He-1000, and the Draug v2 on the Hifiman He-6. The difference these two cables have made as compared to the stock cables, is quite substantial, and can be identified in any AB testing (at least to my ears, no question : I seem to have developed nearly allergic physiological reactions to the stock cables since receiving the Norne aftermarket cables, and any kind of testing produces the same differences)... I am going to experiment next with some Norne XLR cables... We shall have to wait and see what differences (if any) those would make... You do realize that with AES audio its a digital signal much like HDMI, it either works or it doesn't. It is designed to work for broadcast studios and outside broadcast trucks. No one uses expensive cables, its designed to work with any well made XLR cable. Thanks for pointing out that difference. I was not thinking about it, although I should have.  |
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Post by yves on Dec 20, 2016 20:51:24 GMT -5
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 20, 2016 20:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 20, 2016 21:21:20 GMT -5
[quote author=" ccw10" "I don't believe I'm nuts but If you all can't believe that an XLR to XLR cable connection can be more efficient than RCA to RCA (depending on the cables) " Please define "efficient" in this discussion (context). Bill |
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Post by vneal on Dec 20, 2016 21:55:18 GMT -5
Kimber Kable Hero's
I am in the business & got them gratis
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 20, 2016 22:22:05 GMT -5
Woah. That some kind of "gratis" ... Kimber is heinously expensive.
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Post by yves on Dec 21, 2016 3:56:29 GMT -5
[quote author=" ccw10" "I don't believe I'm nuts but If you all can't believe that an XLR to XLR cable connection can be more efficient than RCA to RCA (depending on the cables) " Please define "efficient" in this discussion (context). Bill The reason why it depends on the cables is because it naturally obviously depends on their length. Less obvious is that some good looking RCA interconnects are so cheaply built that you'll finally end up replacing them with prestigiously overpriced ones so going for a standard quality XLR instead would have been more efficient in terms of how cost effective a person's purchasing behavior can be. |
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Post by hosko on Dec 21, 2016 4:33:50 GMT -5
I personally use XLR instead or RCA wherever I can because the connection is more solid and often includes locking mechanisms. The ones that don't lock seem more sturdy as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 12:39:40 GMT -5
I have Emo's XLR's they are a HUGE VALUE! Excellent quality and priced waaaay right...
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Post by hosko on Dec 21, 2016 17:44:50 GMT -5
I had thought that the grounding of the shield on an XLR cable was an important feature that the Faraday Cage it offers, but doing a bit of research and hearkening back to second quarter E&M Physics, the Faraday Cage creates a zone where external Electric Fields have Zero Potential inside, regardless of whether they're grounded or not. Still, this is a rather novel design that no other cable manufacturer follows as far as I know. And they're heinously expensive compared to the more affordable XLR cables we've been discussing. It makes no sense to not use the shield as pin 1 on an XLR connector as its the ground. Even with Mogami quad cable with 4 conductors and the shield, the shield is pin 1 and 2 conductors get tied together for pin 2 and the same for 3. |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 21, 2016 18:22:01 GMT -5
The main virtue of a balanced connection is the "balanced" part. Both signal lines have equal but out of phase signals on them. However, if the cable is exposed to any noise along the way, that noise will be equal and IN PHASE on the two signal lines. When the device at the receiving end inverts one of those signals and adds them together, the result is twice as much signal, and no noise (because the noise cancels out). The process isn't perfect - but pretty close to it - so most of any noise that gets into the cable along the way is cancelled out and simply disappears. Good shielding certainly can't hurt, and may even help, but balanced cable performs pretty well even if it's entirely unshielded. (The reason things like the number of twists per foot matter is that tight twisting ensures that both wires are exposed to exactly the same noise. The cancellation process relies on the noise picked up by both wires being the same - so it will cancel out perfectly. Quad cables like the Mogamo, and Canare StarQuad, work especially well because, by using two symmetrically arranged pairs of conductors, they make even more sure that each pair will be exposed to exactly the same noise, thus ensuring a more perfect cancellation.) I had thought that the grounding of the shield on an XLR cable was an important feature that the Faraday Cage it offers, but doing a bit of research and hearkening back to second quarter E&M Physics, the Faraday Cage creates a zone where external Electric Fields have Zero Potential inside, regardless of whether they're grounded or not. Still, this is a rather novel design that no other cable manufacturer follows as far as I know. And they're heinously expensive compared to the more affordable XLR cables we've been discussing. It makes no sense to not use the shield as pin 1 on an XLR connector as its the ground. Even with Mogami quad cable with 4 conductors and the shield, the shield is pin 1 and 2 conductors get tied together for pin 2 and the same for 3. |
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Post by Jean Genie on Dec 21, 2016 18:30:39 GMT -5
All Monoprice, all the time.
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Post by Jean Genie on Dec 21, 2016 18:32:18 GMT -5
Be prepared for a ton of opinions on cables, esoteric boutique high priced vs standard cable. To make a long story short, I originally used Kimber Kable RCA and speaker cables and found no audible difference between them and standard, but quality made, copper, RCA, XLR cables. Just my opinion and experience. I've been using Canare 4S11 speaker cable purchased through Bluejeans cables as well as custom made Mogami XLR snakes in my system. I have a 2 channel and 5 channel snake in custom lengths to fit between my XMC-1 and amps... I went with snakes to cut down on cable clutter. Here's a generic picture of what mine look like:  I've never tried them, but Emotiva sells XLR snakes now. emotiva.com/products/e-connects/xlr-snakeFor HDMI I have a Monoprice Redmere cable from XMC-1 to projector and use Belden Bonded-Pair from Bluejeans for everything else. www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/hdmi-cable.htmIs oil extra or do they come with?  |
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Post by LuisV on Dec 21, 2016 18:51:16 GMT -5
Ha... no snake oil needed as copper is copper. The snakes simply help cut down on cable clutter as it's one thick cable that fans out into multiple XLRs. I think I paid $135 for both snakes, a 2 channel and a 5 channel with Neutrik ends, and the Canare cable is $1.53 per foot... not zip cord cheap, but certainly not mega dollar fluff esoteric stuff. Found old pictures of the snakes when they were delivered...   |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 7:48:22 GMT -5
Since cables don't make a difference, I use twisted coat hangers hooked up to Radio Shack RCA's for my interconnects. For my speaker wire, the neighbor down the street bails hay and he gave me some bailing wire.😜😜😜😜😜😜 Didn't I just open the perverbial can of worms. I used to live and travel for business in Eastern Worshington (Cow Country). A customer of mine had many acres of hay. He gave me some bailing wire to try. As soon as I hook up the wire between my amp and AR LST's I knew I heard a different sound. Something was definitely haywire! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 7:59:50 GMT -5
Is oil extra or do they come with? Gaglione, the puppy in your avatar makes for one of the cutest avatars at the lounge. I hope you don't mind if I post a little larger copy.  |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 22, 2016 9:50:54 GMT -5
Since cables don't make a difference, I use twisted coat hangers hooked up to Radio Shack RCA's for my interconnects. For my speaker wire, the neighbor down the street bails hay and he gave me some bailing wire.😜😜😜😜😜😜 Didn't I just open the perverbial can of worms. I used to live and travel for business in Eastern Worshington (Cow Country). A customer of mine had many acres of hay. He gave me some bailing wire to try. As soon as I hook up the wire between my amp and AR LST's I knew I heard a different sound. Something was definitely haywire! Pasturized sound?   |
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Post by sahmen on Dec 22, 2016 11:31:07 GMT -5
I used to live and travel for business in Eastern Worshington (Cow Country). A customer of mine had many acres of hay. He gave me some bailing wire to try. As soon as I hook up the wire between my amp and AR LST's I knew I heard a different sound. Something was definitely haywire! Pasturized sound? Pasteurized? Uhmm, not quite. Bovine sound, in the raw, uncooked, and non-pasteurized?:  Ooooh yeah! Now we're talking . |
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