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Post by elkman99 on Jan 18, 2017 22:05:00 GMT -5
Hi guys, after 23 years my Yamaha system has given up the ghost, so the wife gave me the green light to buy a whole new system from scratch. I like country, 80-90's hard rock, and just about everything in-between minus classical and big band music. I enjoy listening to music at normal levels, but my real love is to grab a beer and crank her up until yours ears hurt lol. So, right now I've got a few things in mind and hopefully you guys can help me out and add suggestions and your opinions. I'm looking at the following:
Klipsch RF-7 II
2 12" Klipsch subs
Marantz SR5011
Emotiva Gen 3 XPA-2
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Magnepan 1.7i
2 12" Rhythmik subs
Marantz SR5011
Emotiva XPA-1's or 2 Xpa-2's
Price point will definitely be an issue as I need to stay around 6K total. I would also consider maybe 1 15" Rhythmik sub instead of 2 12's. Any other recommendations are very welcome! Thanks
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 18, 2017 22:23:15 GMT -5
I'd argue against the RF-7 II and the 12" subs. You'd be better off waiting for the RF-7 III's OR getting a single 15" sub.
If you are only going to be doing 2-channel audio, why not get a good 2-channel pre-amp instead of a home theater pre-amp?
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Post by elkman99 on Jan 18, 2017 22:48:19 GMT -5
I'd argue against the RF-7 II and the 12" subs. You'd be better off waiting for the RF-7 III's OR getting a single 15" sub. If you are only going to be doing 2-channel audio, why not get a good 2-channel pre-amp instead of a home theater pre-amp? Any suggestions for the pre-amp? Do you think the 1 15" sub would be better than 2? |
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 18, 2017 22:50:57 GMT -5
I think you'd be much happier with the R-115SW than two R-112SW's. They bark.
As for pre-amps, you might see about tracking down an XSP-1 Gen II. They're well built and will pair wonderfully with your XPA amplifiers. I'm not sure if Emotiva has any of them still in stock, but it might be worth looking into. Otherwise there's helpings out there from Marantz as well as far as a stereo pre-amp.
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Post by garbulky on Jan 18, 2017 22:51:12 GMT -5
Why are you going for a multichannel receiver for a 2 channel system? If you want 2 channel go for 2 channel. I wouldn't do Klipsch. I'm not sure if the Maggies would be my choice, but they would be definitely picked over the Klipsch.
Your two subs and XPA-1 gen 2's are solid choices. VERY nice. Go with two subs if you can.
On the cheaper end, a DC-1 would do nicely for a two channel system. But there are other choices as well.
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Post by deltadube on Jan 18, 2017 22:52:53 GMT -5
I'd argue against the RF-7 II and the 12" subs. You'd be better off waiting for the RF-7 III's OR getting a single 15" sub. If you are only going to be doing 2-channel audio, why not get a good 2-channel pre-amp instead of a home theater pre-amp? Any suggestions for the pre-amp? Do you think the 1 15" sub would be better than 2? i think two 15 inch subs be way better than two 12s..  sealed check out power sound audio.com for subs... if your just doing 2 channel.. wow get the xsp 1 pre amp here at emotiva.. join the mono block society too xpa 1s.. sweet.. cheers |
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 18, 2017 22:54:02 GMT -5
garbulky's post above should tell you also that you're going to get variances in opinion on preference.
I encourage you to demo or trial both speakers if you can before coming to a final conclusion. You may prefer neither of what we suggest for speaker configurations.
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Post by elkman99 on Jan 18, 2017 23:01:25 GMT -5
Thanks guys for the input. Do those pre-amps have USB ports? I'm assuming no HDMI? What other types of speakers would fit the bill for my mains?
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 18, 2017 23:06:31 GMT -5
I won't comment on speakers, mainly because I'm partial to horns and my budget has only ever allowed for Klipsch in that category. I prefer them, many don't because of how bright they can be.
As for USB - Are you wanting a DAC, a place to plug an iPhone/Pod in? HDMI is usually left off of 2-channel pre-amps.
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Post by brutiarti on Jan 18, 2017 23:12:45 GMT -5
Xsp-1 + dc-1 + xpa-1 x2 + 2 subs + the speakers of your choice
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Post by novisnick on Jan 18, 2017 23:42:51 GMT -5
So this is strictly a two channel system? Right? Would really help to know the dementions of your room and building materials in it,ie; hardwood floors? Carpets? Windows? High ceilings? what about room treatments? Part of this 6K or money later for acoustic treatments. No one can make an intelligent recommendation without this very important information.  |
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Post by teaman on Jan 19, 2017 0:08:57 GMT -5
My two cents is if you want easy to push speakers that get extremely loud...go Klipsch. For Rock music there are very few speakers that play louder and clearer...and Magnepan's are not really rock speakers to begin with. If it were my money, here is how I would spend it.
Emotiva XSP-1 or DC-1 preamp.
2 x Emotiva XPA-1 mono block amps
Klipsch Heresy III's
Pair of RSW-12 Klipsch Subs
I don't think I could have spent it better. Nearly 100db sensitivity means the Heresies will scream at you, the fact they are three way and full range means you won't miss any detail and the pair of subs which could tuck easily under end tables with the Heresy III's on top means the foot print is no larger than your original options.
Tim
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Post by vneal on Jan 19, 2017 2:18:18 GMT -5
For a 6K system for 2 channel. I would listen to as many speaker brands as you can. Set a budget of
2K speakers
1k amp
1K preamp
1K source
1K misc-stands-cabling-interconnects-treatments
let the listening begin.
Emotiva has many items to fits these needs
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Post by klinemj on Jan 19, 2017 6:44:10 GMT -5
If cranking it up until your ears hurt is a real priority, I would pass on the Maggies. I love mine, but Klipsch is more suited for cranking it up.
Another consideration is waiting for Emotiva T2's. If they are remotely like the old 8.3's in ability to handle power, they would be great.
Mark
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Post by garbulky on Jan 19, 2017 8:33:02 GMT -5
Why are you going for a multichannel receiver for a 2 channel system? If you want 2 channel go for 2 channel. I wouldn't do Klipsch. I'm not sure if the Maggies would be my choice, but they would be definitely picked over the Klipsch. Your two subs and XPA-1 gen 2's are solid choices. VERY nice. Go with two subs if you can. On the cheaper end, a DC-1 would do nicely for a two channel system. But there are other choices as well. Gar not sure I agree with your post. Somebody who likes the Axiom sound is obviously not going to choose Klipsch. In fact that person would probably pick anything over Klipsch so I don't really see the value in posting that. Especially because OP writes "but my real love is to grab a beer and crank her up until yours ears hurt lol" which could be Klipsch sales motto so no real discussion of Maggies vs Klipsch in this case. Edit: As for which Klipsch see teamans post  PS Sorry for the double post Hi Brand. This is true. Speaker opinions are always subjective. No offense to those that own Klipsch intended! For me, when cranking the Klipsch do pretty good but it doesn't have the realism and a certain amount of detail though. Their driver unit sounds quick in the treble (dynamics) but falls short of tone. The woofer units are either on the muddy side or don't integrate that well with the rest of frequency range. If cranking the volume is important and BIG sound, the Tekton Pendragons should do pretty nicely. They can get LOUD! They do details reasonably well and have a decent tone. Having said that, I would still avoid Klipsch. Now the Maggies....they are not really cranking speakers - at least the 1.6 that I've heard. So it wouldn't be my number one choice either. |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jan 19, 2017 8:40:46 GMT -5
For a music system I would look at a 2 channel pre-amp as opposed to a surround sound receiver. 2 12's vs. a single 15 is more complex than just driver size. There are several factors to take into account. Are you going for accuracy or shear output? I don't think that the Klipsch subs are bad, but there is certainly better out there. Rel, Rythmik, SVS, PSA and JL are just a few that you should look into.
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Post by mgbpuff on Jan 19, 2017 8:48:02 GMT -5
If you have unsophisticated musical tastes and like to make your ears bleed, I would suggest an all pro equipment approach.
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Post by vcautokid on Jan 19, 2017 9:00:12 GMT -5
Any dynamic speaker you like. I would recommend 2 Subwoofers from a dynamics and tuning reasons in room. The XSP-1 and XPA Gen 3. Call it done, and ready to listen. Stay away from planars or Electrostatic speakers. They are nothe for Rocking kind of speakers.
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Post by elkman99 on Jan 19, 2017 11:19:53 GMT -5
So this is strictly a two channel system? Right? Would really help to know the dementions of your room and building materials in it,ie; hardwood floors? Carpets? Windows? High ceilings? what about room treatments? Part of this 6K or money later for acoustic treatments. No one can make an intelligent recommendation without this very important information. View Attachment View Attachment View AttachmentThe room is an open concept great room /kitchen with 15' cathedral ceilings. The room itself is probably 30x30 or there abouts. It's currently not finished but will have hardwood floors and a very large stone fireplace that goes all the way to ceiling. There are six Windows and a patio door. Haven't really gotten to the window treatments yet. I guess you can see where my priorities are lol. |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 19, 2017 11:54:19 GMT -5
So this is strictly a two channel system? Right? Would really help to know the dementions of your room and building materials in it,ie; hardwood floors? Carpets? Windows? High ceilings? what about room treatments? Part of this 6K or money later for acoustic treatments. No one can make an intelligent recommendation without this very important information. The room is an open concept great room /kitchen with 15' cathedral ceilings. The room itself is probably 30x30 or there abouts. It's currently not finished but will have hardwood floors and a very large stone fireplace that goes all the way to ceiling. There are six Windows and a patio door. Haven't really gotten to the window treatments yet. I guess you can see where my priorities are lol. No disrespect to you my new friend but this is what I read, REFLECTION! REFLECTION! REFLECTION! OUCH!!!!  But there are ways to tame all of that. This is precisely why I asked for this information. I wasn't trying to be Debbie Downer, just wanted to know what you were up against. The size of the room will help IMHO But still leaves much work after gear is purchased. How much leeway with you better half do you have? You will need efficient speakers to fill that cavern. Monoblocks is how I'd go. Will there be HT? |
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But there are ways to tame all of that. This is precisely why I asked for this information. I wasn't trying to be Debbie Downer, just wanted to know what you were up against.