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Post by leonski on Feb 22, 2017 23:25:39 GMT -5
EMO should consider making a hi-end line-level crossover for true biamp fans.
Make it 2ch or 4ch IN and 8 or 10 channels OUT. Consider HDMI with video pass thru for 5.1 at least.
All A/D \\ D/A should be 24bit 96hkz minimum. Mo Betta.
Include every possible useful feature. FIR filters. IIR filters. 6 thru 48 db/octave slopes. Time (alignment) delays. Parametric EQ.
Balanced / single ended I/O. Level 'shelving' up or down.
Computer programable in Windows OR Mac. The unit should have 3 or 4 memories so you can do a single setup and experiment.
Provision for a cal mic and Full integration with REW.
You'd need a center channel 'out' as well as biamp outputs for 4 other channels AND the sub(s).
For a full-featured crossover with software and mic? Bring it in for 550$ and call it good.
Since this was MY idea for EMO, I want in on the Beta Testing.
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Post by novisnick on Feb 22, 2017 23:32:46 GMT -5
EMO should consider making a hi-end line-level crossover for true biamp fans.
Make it 2ch or 4ch IN and 8 or 10 channels OUT. Consider HDMI with video pass thru for 5.1 at least.
All A/D \\ D/A should be 24bit 96hkz minimum. Mo Betta.
Include every possible useful feature. FIR filters. IIR filters. 6 thru 48 db/octave slopes. Time (alignment) delays. Parametric EQ.
Balanced / single ended I/O. Level 'shelving' up or down.
Computer programable in Windows OR Mac. The unit should have 3 or 4 memories so you can do a single setup and experiment.
Provision for a cal mic and Full integration with REW.
You'd need a center channel 'out' as well as biamp outputs for 4 other channels AND the sub(s). For a full-featured crossover with software and mic? Bring it in for 550$ and call it good. Since this was MY idea for EMO, I want in on the Beta Testing. For some unknown reason, this comes to my mind,,,,,,,,,,,,  ,,,,,, |
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Post by leonski on Feb 23, 2017 1:41:37 GMT -5
What's the Prob, Novi?
Can't ask for a unique product? Need more me-too?
What's the absolute WORST that could happen? Keith and Lonnie contribute and say they couldn't sell enough of 'em?
No technical or insurrmountable problems with this ask.
And it would tap into the small but active DIY market.
I'm kinda hoping they send me the Beta Prototype for testing. Good Freebie.
It would give Rory something constructive to do, too, rather than have wacky 'speaker surveys'.
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Post by bolle on Feb 23, 2017 2:02:39 GMT -5
We already had this discussion in the RMC-1 thread. Would make much more sense integrated in the RMC-1, but that won´t happen I think.
There is no sense in another standalone crossover / DSP processor, already too much competition available.
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Post by urwi on Feb 23, 2017 3:11:46 GMT -5
www.minidsp.comEMO should consider making a hi-end line-level crossover for true biamp fans.
Make it 2ch or 4ch IN and 8 or 10 channels OUT. Consider HDMI with video pass thru for 5.1 at least.
All A/D \\ D/A should be 24bit 96hkz minimum. Mo Betta.
Include every possible useful feature. FIR filters. IIR filters. 6 thru 48 db/octave slopes. Time (alignment) delays. Parametric EQ.
Balanced / single ended I/O. Level 'shelving' up or down.
Computer programable in Windows OR Mac. The unit should have 3 or 4 memories so you can do a single setup and experiment.
Provision for a cal mic and Full integration with REW.
You'd need a center channel 'out' as well as biamp outputs for 4 other channels AND the sub(s). For a full-featured crossover with software and mic? Bring it in for 550$ and call it good. Since this was MY idea for EMO, I want in on the Beta Testing.
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Post by leonski on Feb 23, 2017 3:32:40 GMT -5
Sure, very familiar w/MiniDSP stuff. They even have DIRAC equipped and more.
I want the 2x8 or a pair of the 2x4HD which are fairly new. Object is for simple Biamp of a stereo w/sub.
I'm just thinking out loud here. EMO applies self to the usual things. Value: Features: Need;
and try to add a few sweeteners to the mix for interest.
I'd hope the EMO folks could beat the Mini folks at their own 'game'.
You Could add a module to the RMC-1 and in fact that is a great suggestion. Extend the module idea and have your choice of some kind of extra digital input module, a crossover module or maybe a phono input module.
Wow! though. 5000$?
Massive statement piece. I'll check out the thread even though I'm not in the HT market. I can hardly afford Stereo! Just bought a new OLED which is the Best picture I've ever seen in a home display.
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Post by Jim on Feb 23, 2017 7:18:11 GMT -5
Niche market.... high development cost....
=low volume.... low margins....
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2017 9:36:11 GMT -5
This product exists. It's called MiniDSP
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Post by novisnick on Feb 23, 2017 9:47:02 GMT -5
What's the Prob, Novi? Can't ask for a unique product? Need more me-too? What's the absolute WORST that could happen? Keith and Lonnie contribute and say they couldn't sell enough of 'em? No technical or insurrmountable problems with this ask. And it would tap into the small but active DIY market. I'm kinda hoping they send me the Beta Prototype for testing. Good Freebie. It would give Rory something constructive to do, too, rather than have wacky 'speaker surveys'. No problem at all my friend!  Maybe you missed the tongue in cheek smilie? of course I have a different sense of humor and without any technical background Ive ass/u/me it cost in time and money would put the price point far beyond your stated request. I too would like to sign up to beta test such a unit from Emotiva though ! Isnt there options for this already? Have a great day my friend, no offense was ever intended.  PS; I think they're coming down the driveway to perhaps take me away,,,,,,a ha,,,,,,, |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Feb 23, 2017 12:23:12 GMT -5
I also think that's a good product idea. The market for this really isn't that niche at all.
I'd say they should come out with a 4 output device for left and right speakers + 2 subs or 2 speakers bi-amped. They can build up from there into bi-amped+ subs and LCR+ subs.
Everyone knows about MiniDSP so I'm pretty sure those pointing it out were just being a bit cheeky. MiniDSP products are not perfect (who the heck has phoenix connectors laying around) and A LOT of people have noise floor issues with them. Currently the players are MiniDSP and then a bunch of pro stuff limited to 4 outputs.
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Post by leonski on Feb 23, 2017 14:34:39 GMT -5
What's the Prob, Novi? Can't ask for a unique product? Need more me-too? What's the absolute WORST that could happen? Keith and Lonnie contribute and say they couldn't sell enough of 'em? No technical or insurrmountable problems with this ask. And it would tap into the small but active DIY market. I'm kinda hoping they send me the Beta Prototype for testing. Good Freebie. It would give Rory something constructive to do, too, rather than have wacky 'speaker surveys'. No problem at all my friend! Maybe you missed the tongue in cheek smilie? of course I have a different sense of humor and without any technical background Ive ass/u/me it cost in time and money would put the price point far beyond your stated request. I too would like to sign up to beta test such a unit from Emotiva though ! Isnt there options for this already? Have a great day my friend, no offense was ever intended. PS; I think they're coming down the driveway to perhaps take me away,,,,,,a ha,,,,,,, My Bad. And yes, now that I think about it, the space for these devices is both limited and competitive. I guess when the time comes, I'll go Mini. Not a big fan of Beheringer. EMO would really have to sharpen both the pencil and Engineering Staff to come up with a Unique Selling Position. No need for Any apology, the offense was mine. Take it easy and pack a bag for when they DO take you away. |
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Post by urwi on Feb 24, 2017 16:40:07 GMT -5
What noise floor issues? Sounds more like those people haven't heard about gain staging or don't have the necessary equipment. Amps with input gain controls comes to mind. You can't swim without getting wet. MiniDSP products are not perfect (who the heck has phoenix connectors laying around) and A LOT of people have noise floor issues with them. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 24, 2017 17:47:35 GMT -5
I also think that's a good product idea. The market for this really isn't that niche at all. I'd say they should come out with a 4 output device for left and right speakers + 2 subs or 2 speakers bi-amped. They can build up from there into bi-amped+ subs and LCR+ subs. Everyone knows about MiniDSP so I'm pretty sure those pointing it out were just being a bit cheeky. MiniDSP products are not perfect (who the heck has phoenix connectors laying around) and A LOT of people have noise floor issues with them. Currently the players are MiniDSP and then a bunch of pro stuff limited to 4 outputs. I glitched at the Phoenix Connector, too. Until I realized that they are provided and plug into the product board. You need only 'pigtail' from the connector (I'm thinking Neutrik Balanced) to the Phoenix plug than plug it in. These boards are apparently NOT cased, so it becomes a DIY project of sorts. I investigated having an 'L' Bracket fabricated at a machine shop which would hold balanced connectors. A dimensional print can be found online with no problems. Make that bracket one side of the case. I can't speak to the noise floor issue. Gain might be an issue. I also see the Mini products can be low voltage output. Further research is indicated. For the 2x8 kit, RCA in or out is 2v. You can use either @input. For output? RCA is again 2v. Phonix is 4v and balanced is 8v. I think they can be used in Combination, since it says 'and' in the callout. The 8v of the balanced? That would be 4 volts per leg to ground. Or a useful 3db higher than unbalanced. I think noise might be better with balanced, but again, need to read further and call on a couple sources of my own. MiniDSP finds a lot of users in the Automotive market. |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 24, 2017 17:51:55 GMT -5
Yeah it would be a niche thing for sure. But what if it was a statement product?
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Post by bootman on Feb 24, 2017 19:03:40 GMT -5
This product exists. It's called MiniDSP Exactly!!!! I totally get electronic x-overs for the diy crowd but honestly I don't think that is Emotiva's core market. Now if you want to replace a well known speaker's x-over, then you better know more than the designer of the original passive x-over otherwise you will most likely just ruin the speaker's sound. Just sayin.  |
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Post by leonski on Feb 24, 2017 21:21:39 GMT -5
This product exists. It's called MiniDSP Exactly!!!! I totally get electronic x-overs for the diy crowd but honestly I don't think that is Emotiva's core market. Now if you want to replace a well known speaker's x-over, then you better know more than the designer of the original passive x-over otherwise you will most likely just ruin the speaker's sound. Just sayin. For the full-on DIY guy buying drivers, building enclosures and such, the MiniDSP is a wonderful product. For replacing an existing speaker crossover by going 'active'? I would start with duplicating the Original crossover. I can't see you going TOO far wrong with that approach. Some speakers with more elaborate crossovers may need gain adjusts for a more or less sensitive driver and you can always experiment with Time Alignment. Careful adjustments and record keeping would be key to such adjustments. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 25, 2017 10:20:41 GMT -5
...There is no sense in another standalone crossover / DSP processor, already too much competition available. Might I disagree? The "competition" is the JL Audio CR-1, priced at $3,000.  Emotiva could build one for under $1k that would offer the same features (and more). The problem is that they STILL wouldn't sell many of them. Most folks who use subs use them with HT. Even the lowliest $299 AVR has built-in bass management. The number of audiophiles who use 2.1 or 2.2 stereo systems is infinitesimal compared to the market for AVRs. Therefore, even if Emotiva DID build an electronic crossover, they'd probably never sell enough of them to pay back the R&D that went into the thing. Sad, but true. So I understand that the likelihood of an "audiophile-quality" external electronic crossover is slim. You can buy "pro-gear" crossovers for peanuts, provided you don't care about sound quality. But for the foreseeable future, JL will probably remain the only high-quality electronic crossover available on the market. And it wouldn't much surprise me if even JL quietly drops the product once their original production run sells out. Cheers - Boomzilla |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Feb 25, 2017 10:45:10 GMT -5
Ah. Spend some bucks. Russ  |
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Post by redcoat23 on Feb 25, 2017 12:34:12 GMT -5
There's also a couple of others on the market that are extremely expensive. These are closer to the minidsp style, but would perform the same function (crossover and dsp). Dolby Lake Processor  BSS Soundweb  |
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Post by leonski on Feb 25, 2017 14:03:40 GMT -5
Pull-Eze. The Dolby is 5 Grand List. And meant for professional sound reinforcement folks.
For that kind of money?
Pass Labs crossover is also pretty pricy, but very well regarded. And flexible.
I've seen JL subs, so I need to take a look at whatever was pictured in a previous post.
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Maybe you missed the tongue in cheek smilie? 
