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Post by leonski on May 31, 2017 3:06:05 GMT -5
rbi123 My car example supports more for less $$, not argue against it. The new Accord is a much better value for about the same number of $s as the original Acura. More meaningful features, many of which were simply UnAvailable 'back than'. The original Acura Legend had a list of about 25,000$ which will buy one heck of an Accord today. Factor in inflation?
The lowest price of EMO amps were, I bet, of Chinese manufacture. Now that production is coming back to the USA, it is natural for prices to rise faster than inflation. Or maybe faster than people can absorb. I've had PLENTY of sticker shock in my years. When I look at a modern pickup truck going for 40,000$ to 60,000$ you can bet my eyes are wide open.
Sorry if my dislike for HT receivers is offputting. I don't see them as of value. A good pre-pro with however much amplification you need is FINE. I'm just not with it on what is essentially a temporary product. Replacement cost must be factored into the original purchase for something which will either be unrepairable or oustripped by 'newer' technology. I'll bet a bunch of HT receivers are still in use which won't do 4k video, support the latest HDMI and whatever else is on the bleeding edge.
My stereo is of reasonable lasting value. Not much changing on that front, now that a DAC and some bass management features are now part of the deal. Likewise, I just bought what I HOPE (fingers crossed) my last TV. I may be buried in the box my speakers came in.
Cost = actual dollars. Value = perceived benefit
And yes, I'll agree. HT receiver prices ARE at rock bottom. If that's what you are in the market for, you've never had better pickins'. You can pick up a HT receiver today for the same or less than an old QuadraPhonic receiver went for a LONG time ago.
I don't get it. You may have someone read you my post about the car price. It actually supports your first contention. I use the Honda / Acura as a single example. But I think that across the whole spectrum of cars, the new keep forging ahead on any number of fronts without huge price increases. Except those pesky pickup trucks.
Overall, you must agree, Cost Of Living is going UP. Maybe 2% per year which will DOUBLE the cost in a mere 36 years. (rule of 72) Some things go up. a lot. Bought some steaks the other day for Memorial day. Makes me wish I was a Vegan. CDs are cheap. Vinyl is Expensive (remember Licorice Pizza stores?) Tower Records up in LA LA Land was an annual trip for me and a few buddies. Gone. Gas stays cheap but California just Raised Fuel Taxes a lot. Maybe now #2 in the nation?
Have fun.
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Post by vcautokid on May 31, 2017 5:07:18 GMT -5
X=Extreme Power Amplifier as the top tier amplifier at the time for Emotiva Audio.
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Post by vcautokid on May 31, 2017 5:43:48 GMT -5
Leonski, I hear you. Costs and why. HDMI will remain a moving target, and nothing is changing that anytime soon. Not my idea by the way. I dont care for it either. HDCP along with HDMI is joined at the hip. As long as commerical purveyors are paranoid of their content, we all pay the price. Gas taxes are everywhere. Can't do too much about that. I have to buy gas like everyone else. But its core price is in step with inflation for most part. Made in America is a tough road these days. Environmental, and other high cost considerations make it a challenge. Though not impossible.
We had voted with our wallets years ago about what we buy from where. It is truly International what, and where we buy from. Your car is not all American content, the jeans you wear are mostly over seas, your mobile device is assuredly overseas etc. Economics. People will buy a $750.00 phone made in China vs. a phone made here for $2000.00? Guess that would have to be extraordinary for me to make the leap. Most aren't sorry. You can get the one you like. Options are plenty. It may come from Korea, China etc.
It comes down to options. I think I look at this as the glass half full, and that there are plenty of options out there. Value is equated of effectively attaining a product that fits your purpose of use. What it does, and what you are willing to invest in said product. If where it comes from is a data point for you, then so be it. You can get what you want today easily. It is a buyers market. Almost anything can be had from the casual of P.O.U. to the extreme. You pay accordingly.
I can get a watch for $200.00 that does everything for me but help me from doing silly things, but I won't be late, know what time it is in Instanbul, my calories burnt, number of steps I took while walking to get to wherever I am going. Spend a little more and I make that Comic Detective jealous, having gps, talking, messaging, etc on it. Or I can get the Rolex, Omega, and even fancier flights of style for way much more. Made in America? Maybe, certainly made elsewhere. A Blender can cost $50.00 and do the job for most. A Blentec, Vitamix, and others will cost allot more. Will you perceive a greater value for what it does for the price you pay?
I don't know. I have used them, and enjoy them more than the $50.00 one, but the $50.00 one will easily fulfill my P.O.U.
It comes down to your data points as to what is important to you. Not even going there on right and wrong. It is you that is what this is about. Not someone else spending your money.
It stems from, and extends from my 2 kinds of cool. The emotional intangibles that say I like it, and must have that, and the data points kind of cool where, features, benefits, costs, quality, and purpose of use come in. Options folks, it is all about options. Weigh carefully where you are in P.O.U., but let your emotional side have some fun too. Sometimes the price isn't always the first consideration.
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Post by Pioneer on May 31, 2017 8:21:47 GMT -5
If you look at the image of the back of the A-5175 it says designed in Nashville USA precision crafted in China. If I am reading the recent posts right you are saying the price is based on the fact that these amps are made in the USA.
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Post by KeithL on May 31, 2017 8:56:44 GMT -5
I remember my first car; it was a four door, with the "sports package"; it cost $2500 - NEW (that was an AMC Hornet - in bright orange and black). (I also remember my family being annoyed that we were paying 32 cents a gallon for gas in New York - when it was only 28 cents a gallon in New Jersey.) And, have you seen what some people pay for phones these days....? (Personally it amazes me more that people pay over $100 a month for their phone service.) Oh, and my family's first VHS recorder - one of the first altogether- weighed thirty pounds and cost almost $1000 (this was back when that car cost $2500). And, for that matter, I paid over $900 for my first CD recorder (it was a 2x HP SCSI model.) You'll notice that today you can get a really nice audio system for a lot less than the price of a car. (In fact, you probably spent more for gas last year than the price of the A-5175...) And I think that means it's a really good deal. When I was a kid (Cue sappy music) I kind of got used to certain prices. I wanted a 1970 BMW 2002 so bad I could taste it. Price in those days? 3000$ NEW I even remember the last car in the USA you could buy NEW for 2000$ or less. It was a RAMBLER, a brand long-gone. Prices go up while ones idea of the price seems to stay fixed from some point onward. I know I'm SHOCKED at some prices I see that my young nieces / nephews just pay. This applies to EveryThing. No Exceptions. Food? Utilities? Car prices? Taxes? and for the rest of us, our STEREOS. Walking into a real brick and mortar store maybe 30 years ago with 3000$ is a completely different experience today. Than? complete system. including cables, and a bunch of new CDs. Today? 'What color would you like the faceplate on your new amp?' I'm not about to try to wade thru the math, but I'm thinking GEEBO is 100%. 125 x 5 VS 175 x 2? With 10 watts per speaker and even 125 watt peaks, I'll bet the 5 channel version gets PLENTY lound. In my last upgrade cycle, I went from 2x500 to 4x200 and frankly think the new setup can go louder.
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Post by rbk123 on May 31, 2017 10:45:39 GMT -5
I remember my first car; it was a four door, with the "sports package"; it cost $2500 - NEW (that was an AMC Hornet - in bright orange and black). (I also remember my family being annoyed that we were paying 32 cents a gallon for gas in New York - when it was only 28 cents a gallon in New Jersey.) And, have you seen what some people pay for phones these days....? (Personally it amazes me more that people pay over $100 a month for their phone service.) Oh, and my family's first VHS recorder - one of the first altogether- weighed thirty pounds and cost almost $1000 (this was back when that car cost $2500). And, for that matter, I paid over $900 for my first CD recorder (it was a 2x HP SCSI model.) You'll notice that today you can get a really nice audio system for a lot less than the price of a car. (In fact, you probably spent more for gas last year than the price of the A-5175...) And I think that means it's a really good deal. I remember my first Toshiba DVD player, when it came out was $500. That's in '90's dollars on top of it. Now a DVD player of EQUAL quality is $100; lower but still works $40. I remember when my first processor, containing Dolby Surround only, cost $600+ used. And that's in '90's dollars as well. I remember when my cell phone bill for one line was $200+/mo and that was without data. Now I get 5 lines, with data for $120. I remember a lot of things that have gone down in price.
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Post by garbulky on May 31, 2017 11:55:10 GMT -5
I remember my first car; it was a four door, with the "sports package"; it cost $2500 - NEW (that was an AMC Hornet - in bright orange and black). (I also remember my family being annoyed that we were paying 32 cents a gallon for gas in New York - when it was only 28 cents a gallon in New Jersey.) And, have you seen what some people pay for phones these days....? (Personally it amazes me more that people pay over $100 a month for their phone service.) Oh, and my family's first VHS recorder - one of the first altogether- weighed thirty pounds and cost almost $1000 (this was back when that car cost $2500). And, for that matter, I paid over $900 for my first CD recorder (it was a 2x HP SCSI model.) You'll notice that today you can get a really nice audio system for a lot less than the price of a car. (In fact, you probably spent more for gas last year than the price of the A-5175...) And I think that means it's a really good deal. I remember my first Toshiba DVD player, when it came out was $500. That's in '90's dollars on top of it. Now a DVD player of EQUAL quality is $100; lower but still works $40. I remember when my first processor, containing Dolby Surround only, cost $600+ used. And that's in '90's dollars as well. I remember when my cell phone bill for one line was $200+/mo and that was without data. Now I get 5 lines, with data for $120. I remember a lot of things that have gone down in price. Oh man I remember those 90's DVD players. Truth be told, the first thing I noticed were bad jaggies on these expensive products. I got a Creative PC-DVD, an early adopter of DVD's for the PC. At the time most PC's did not have the power to play the resolution of DVD files. So it came with a hardware card that's meant to accelerate playback on a PC. Needless to say the whole thing looked terrible! But surprisingly decent when output via S-video to a tv.
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Post by gzubeck on May 31, 2017 12:45:24 GMT -5
I don't know what people are complaining about here...go ahead and compare this 5175 to the 5 channel xpa gen 3 and it's half the price. The build quality looks more robust compared to the a-500 for $300 more...for a moderately sized room I think this will give you 90% of the performance of the xpa gen 3 amp for half the price...you are Saving Money!
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Post by teaman on May 31, 2017 13:48:15 GMT -5
I don't know what people are complaining about here...go ahead and compare this 5175 to the 5 channel xpa gen 3 and it's half the price. The build quality looks more robust compared to the a-500 for $300 more...for a moderately sized room I think this will give you 90% of the performance of the xpa gen 3 amp for half the price... you are Saving Money!I don't think people are bashing the amp, the specs seem to be good and bang for the buck seems high. My only issue was that the name is 5175 which in the past Emotiva and even Sherbourn prior used the number of channels (5) and the power per channel (175 per channel at 8 ohms all channels driven) as a guideline which made it easy to know what you were buying. This time around it is the number of channels (5) and the power per channel (175 per channel at 8 ohms....but with only two channels driven) sort of confusing.
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Post by Axis on May 31, 2017 14:31:04 GMT -5
5175 makes perfect sense to me because it has 5 channels and can do up to 175 in stereo. 125 all channels driven is gravy.
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Post by Jim on May 31, 2017 18:41:51 GMT -5
I don't know what people are complaining about here...go ahead and compare this 5175 to the 5 channel xpa gen 3 and it's half the price. The build quality looks more robust compared to the a-500 for $300 more...for a moderately sized room I think this will give you 90% of the performance of the xpa gen 3 amp for half the price... you are Saving Money!I don't think people are bashing the amp, the specs seem to be good and bang for the buck seems high. My only issue was that the name is 5175 which in the past Emotiva and even Sherbourn prior used the number of channels (5) and the power per channel (175 per channel at 8 ohms all channels driven) as a guideline which made it easy to know what you were buying. This time around it is the number of channels (5) and the power per channel (175 per channel at 8 ohms....but with only two channels driven) sort of confusing. I find it confusing too. It seems more marketing than technical. I'm not sure why the blurred lines now.... ACD measurements have always been the hallmark of Emotiva testing.
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Post by bootman on Jun 1, 2017 8:06:43 GMT -5
If I search "5175 amp" Emotiva comes up. If I search "5125 amp" three other companies come up. So I think the name is fine.
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Post by kybourbon on Jun 1, 2017 8:13:05 GMT -5
If I search "5175 amp" Emotiva comes up. If I search "5125 amp" three other companies come up. So I think the name is fine. That would have been my tie breaker as well. Name is fine. Time to move on.
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Post by leonski on Sept 11, 2017 18:01:27 GMT -5
Don't forget the difference between 175 watts and 125 watts is <1.5db Not exactly earth-shaking.
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Post by silvia on Oct 12, 2017 4:42:24 GMT -5
Hi all,
Does BASX A-5175 works well with T2, i was thinking to get BASX A-5175 and T2 as i can't afford the X series. Thanks
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 12, 2017 8:44:19 GMT -5
It will work very well. You can afford Gen 1 or Gen 2 X series that pop up in the Emporium all the time (for less than the $800 of the 5175), so something to consider.
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Post by silvia on Oct 14, 2017 6:41:08 GMT -5
It will work very well. You can afford Gen 1 or Gen 2 X series that pop up in the Emporium all the time (for less than the $800 of the 5175), so something to consider. Thanks rbk123, I'm really so confused as T2 shows Power handling: 200W continuous / 400W peak. and that is less than what 5175 would offer. So you say is ok to drive them but not to push them harder, correct.
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Post by klinemj on Oct 14, 2017 7:28:20 GMT -5
It will work very well. You can afford Gen 1 or Gen 2 X series that pop up in the Emporium all the time (for less than the $800 of the 5175), so something to consider. Thanks rbk123, I'm really so confused as T2 shows Power handling: 200W continuous / 400W peak. and that is less than what 5175 would offer. So you say is ok to drive them but not to push them harder, correct. The T2's are pretty efficieny (91 dB/watt), so you should be able to get plenty loud with the 5175. The main risk to speakers is over-driving an amp into clipping - this sends bad signals to the speakers and tends to fry tweeters (first) and then other drivers in an extreme case. But, given the T2's efficiency, unless you plan to run them in a giant room at Rolling Stones concert volumes, you should be fine. Mark
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 14, 2017 19:18:20 GMT -5
Thanks rbk123, I'm really so confused as T2 shows Power handling: 200W continuous / 400W peak. and that is less than what 5175 would offer. So you say is ok to drive them but not to push them harder, correct. Speaker power ratings are meaningless and only cause confusion. What Mark said is correct. Push both as hard as you want - until your ears bleed or you hear distortion (whichever comes first). Btw, I'm assuming it's going in a Home Theatre, and just thought I'd add you are in for a treat for both 2 channel listening and movies once you get those in your system. You'll smile for days.
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Post by silvia on Oct 15, 2017 5:31:19 GMT -5
Thanks Mark and Rbk. I was thinking the same, push it hard till you hear something wrong. Well, I was thinking to start easy with 2 channels then see how things will go.
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