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Post by vcautokid on Jun 10, 2017 12:25:26 GMT -5
Always knew that Yaggy was always the Schiit.
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Post by beardedalbatross on Jun 10, 2017 13:26:12 GMT -5
From the article: "Another way in which the Yggy is outstanding, and very much like the sound of Theta DACs, is its rock-solid bass. The bottom end has a “center-of-the-earth” solidity and power, giving music a physicality and verve that I sensed in my body as much as in my mind. The bass not only goes low with authority but the midbass is weighty, muscular, and densely textured."
"I don’t know how Schiit Audio has done it, but the $2300 Yggy is in many ways competitive with any DAC I’ve heard regardless of price."
I have to say, in a lot of ways I find this as nonsensical as the stereophile review. Stereophile had measurements though. A common theme is comparing X dac to Y dac, say Y dac costs 5 times as much and say they're equivalent. What I'd like is a level-matched comparison with a Modi and Yggdrasil. If there is no difference between a $2300 dac and a $20,000 dac then why stop there?
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Post by brubacca on Jun 10, 2017 14:06:55 GMT -5
I have noticed that Gumby benefits from an upgraded source. I have gotten huge benefits from moving away from a standard PC as a source. I have used multiple sources into Gumby and as you go up the chain you are rewarded with better sound.
Currently using a MicroRendu 2.5 with Teddy Pardo PSU is USB.
From worst sound to best sound:
Squeezebox Touch
Atom SIlent PC
Naim UnitiQute Coax Out
MicroRendu w/IFi PSU
MicroRendu w/TP
Patiently awaiting USB gen 3 for Gumby
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 10, 2017 14:54:36 GMT -5
From the article: "Another way in which the Yggy is outstanding, and very much like the sound of Theta DACs, is its rock-solid bass. The bottom end has a “center-of-the-earth” solidity and power, giving music a physicality and verve that I sensed in my body as much as in my mind. The bass not only goes low with authority but the midbass is weighty, muscular, and densely textured." "I don’t know how Schiit Audio has done it, but the $2300 Yggy is in many ways competitive with any DAC I’ve heard regardless of price." I have to say, in a lot of ways I find this as nonsensical as the stereophile review. Stereophile had measurements though. A common theme is comparing X dac to Y dac, say Y dac costs 5 times as much and say they're equivalent. What I'd like is a level-matched comparison with a Modi and Yggdrasil. If there is no difference between a $2300 dac and a $20,000 dac then why stop there? "Another way in which the 2015 Chateau L'Yggy is outstanding, and very much like the exquisite 2015 Chateau Petrus, is its rock-solid bass. The bottom end has a “center-of-the-earth” solidity and power, giving this wine a physicality and verve that I sensed in my body as much as in my mind. The entry and mid-palate not only goes low with authority but the lengthy aftertaste is weighty, muscular, and densely textured." "I don’t know how Chateau L'Yggy has done it, but the $2300 Yggy is in many ways competitive with any first growth Bordeaux or Grand Cru Burgundy I’ve tasted regardless of price." You can draw your own conclusions...  |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 10, 2017 15:34:08 GMT -5
From the article: "Another way in which the Yggy is outstanding, and very much like the sound of Theta DACs, is its rock-solid bass. The bottom end has a “center-of-the-earth” solidity and power, giving music a physicality and verve that I sensed in my body as much as in my mind. The bass not only goes low with authority but the midbass is weighty, muscular, and densely textured." "I don’t know how Schiit Audio has done it, but the $2300 Yggy is in many ways competitive with any DAC I’ve heard regardless of price." I have to say, in a lot of ways I find this as nonsensical as the stereophile review. Stereophile had measurements though. A common theme is comparing X dac to Y dac, say Y dac costs 5 times as much and say they're equivalent. What I'd like is a level-matched comparison with a Modi and Yggdrasil. If there is no difference between a $2300 dac and a $20,000 dac then why stop there? I had a similar experience regarding the bass with the Gungnir multibit. There is no doubt that the bass does stand out as being a good feature. That absolute sound review was close to the impressions I had too. So with the bass it was like this for me....have you ever heard an instrument suddenly appear where it sounded "slow" to get loud? Basically smeared? Usually it's to do with the amps. Well Dacs do that too just in a different more subtle way. The Gungnir had some strong bass which just appeared instantly, different from my DC-1 - which also did well just in a different way and not quite so instant. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 10, 2017 15:48:27 GMT -5
I guess the most poignant point of Harley's review for me is where he adds the Schiit DAC to the trio of his favorites, the other two costing $19,500 and $35,000. I think this is very uncommon for the high brow magazines as well as raving about products not sold in the dealer model.
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Post by Axis on Jun 10, 2017 15:57:35 GMT -5
If you have equipment that excels and can support this DAC and you have the money, there have been more than enough qualified individuals report that after days of warm up it provides high performance. DYohn is one those qualified individuals in my opinion. He said one time if you guys knew how much I have spent on gear it would freak you out. Or something like that. Qualified people over at Head-Fi say it sounds better than most DAC's. I have been one to not recommend it because this is the Emotiva Lounge. I have a DC-1 that sounds great and the DAC's in all the Emotiva gear sounds great and it does not cost $2500. I do not have the gear that a $2500 DAC will benefit that much. I am sure I could get some improvement just like the rest of those with the normal good quality gear. But I am not going to spend $2500 on a DAC with a $1500 system. If I ever get me some of the stuff David has I will run to a PC to order the Yggdrasil from Schiit Audio. It is a shame you have to leave it on all the time but if that is what the Doctor orders. |
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Post by earthboy on Jun 10, 2017 17:38:47 GMT -5
It clicked between every song, really was unbearable for me. Otherwise it sounded as good as my DC-1. Interesting. Mike never does that. The only reason it clicks is when it's locking onto a new sampling rate. What is your source? I heard the Yggy clickity clacking between every track and decided that all that noise was not for me. Otherwise a great DAC. Reviewers seem to skip over this noisy detail. A suggestion to Schiit: Hold the relays in their last position until you need to change the sampling rate. Chances are that the next song will be at the same sample rate as the last one. |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 10, 2017 18:17:13 GMT -5
Interesting. Mike never does that. The only reason it clicks is when it's locking onto a new sampling rate. What is your source? I heard the Yggy clickity clacking between every track and decided that all that noise was not for me. Otherwise a great DAC. Reviewers seem to skip over this noisy detail. A suggestion to Schiit: Hold the relays in their last position until you need to change the sampling rate. Chances are that the next song will be at the same sample rate as the last one. That is exactly what they do. They do not change unless the input changes. So this tells me that whatever you folks are using as a source is shifting sampling rate between tracks. My three Schiit multibit DACs do not do this. One is being fed via AES by a CD transport, one vie S/PDIF by a network player, and one via USB by a PC. The only clicks is if the source material changes sampling rate. |
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Post by brubacca on Jun 10, 2017 18:48:27 GMT -5
I heard the Yggy clickity clacking between every track and decided that all that noise was not for me. Otherwise a great DAC. Reviewers seem to skip over this noisy detail. A suggestion to Schiit: Hold the relays in their last position until you need to change the sampling rate. Chances are that the next song will be at the same sample rate as the last one. That is exactly what they do. They do not change unless the input changes. So this tells me that whatever you folks are using as a source is shifting sampling rate between tracks. My three Schiit multibit DACs do not do this. One is being fed via AES by a CD transport, one vie S/PDIF by a network player, and one via USB by a PC. The only clicks is if the source material changes sampling rate. Mine too. Only on sample rate change. Dyohn- i think I remember you using a Sonicorbiter SE at one time. Is that right? Would you recommend for a secondary system? I'd like to pair one optical out to my Reg DAC. |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 10, 2017 18:54:38 GMT -5
That is exactly what they do. They do not change unless the input changes. So this tells me that whatever you folks are using as a source is shifting sampling rate between tracks. My three Schiit multibit DACs do not do this. One is being fed via AES by a CD transport, one vie S/PDIF by a network player, and one via USB by a PC. The only clicks is if the source material changes sampling rate. Mine too. Only on sample rate change. Dyohn- i think I remember you using a Sonicorbiter SE at one time. Is that right? Would you recommend for a secondary system? I'd like to pair one optical out to my Reg DAC. The SonicOrbiter SE is a great little computer. A standard S/PDIF cable will not fit into the jack as the opening in the plastic case is too small. I expanded the opening in mine with an Xacto knife so the cable fit. Works great and sounds good. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 10, 2017 19:24:25 GMT -5
When I tried the Gumby it did not click between tracks. However when it started playback it did click.
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Post by brutiarti on Jun 10, 2017 19:54:58 GMT -5
Best Dac i ever heard, including dacs from cd players. All instruments and voices have an exceptional 3d presentation.
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Post by sahmen on Jun 11, 2017 1:21:48 GMT -5
Interesting. Mike never does that. The only reason it clicks is when it's locking onto a new sampling rate. What is your source? I heard the Yggy clickity clacking between every track and decided that all that noise was not for me. Otherwise a great DAC. Reviewers seem to skip over this noisy detail. A suggestion to Schiit: Hold the relays in their last position until you need to change the sampling rate. Chances are that the next song will be at the same sample rate as the last one. I have owned the Yggy for almost one year now, and I have not heard any "clickity clacking," whether playing CDs or computer audio content. Not even once, so I suspect this particular problem is not native to the Yggy. |
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Post by earthboy on Jun 11, 2017 9:56:48 GMT -5
Hmm . . . I'm wondering if the software player was causing the loss of sync (or whatever you call it) between tracks. I'm not sure but it might have been Audirvana on a Macbook. I do know that it was playing flac files ripped from CDs so all would have been the same bitrate. Apologies to Schiit if the culprit was software.
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Post by DYohn on Jun 11, 2017 10:06:58 GMT -5
Hmm . . . I'm wondering if the software player was causing the loss of sync (or whatever you call it) between tracks. I'm not sure but it might have been Audirvana on a Macbook. I do know that it was playing flac files ripped from CDs so all would have been the same bitrate. Apologies to Schiit if the culprit was software. Perhaps you've heard the old saying about high quality gear revealing the weaknesses elsewhere in your system? |
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Post by brubacca on Jun 11, 2017 10:43:08 GMT -5
Hmm . . . I'm wondering if the software player was causing the loss of sync (or whatever you call it) between tracks. I'm not sure but it might have been Audirvana on a Macbook. I do know that it was playing flac files ripped from CDs so all would have been the same bitrate. Apologies to Schiit if the culprit was software. Perhaps you've heard the old saying about high quality gear revealing the weaknesses elsewhere in your system? Computers via a usb cable are not a high quality source. It is a lie that they can be. Windows and Mac OS don't care about the audio. Audio is secondary. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 12, 2017 9:14:02 GMT -5
Hmm . . . I'm wondering if the software player was causing the loss of sync (or whatever you call it) between tracks. I'm not sure but it might have been Audirvana on a Macbook. I do know that it was playing flac files ripped from CDs so all would have been the same bitrate. Apologies to Schiit if the culprit was software. I don't remember enough from my time with it. But it may have to do with it locking on to the stream. If Audirvana turns off the stream when the track is done and rei-initializes it, maybe Schiit's relays will click again to lock on to the stream. |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 12, 2017 9:54:44 GMT -5
Hmm . . . I'm wondering if the software player was causing the loss of sync (or whatever you call it) between tracks. I'm not sure but it might have been Audirvana on a Macbook. I do know that it was playing flac files ripped from CDs so all would have been the same bitrate. Apologies to Schiit if the culprit was software. I don't remember enough from my time with it. But it may have to do with it locking on to the stream. If Audirvana turns off the stream when the track is done and rei-initializes it, maybe Schiit's relays will click again to lock on to the stream. The relay system switches only if the DAC detects a sample rate change. Just stopping the signal will not cause the relays to switch, they remain in "last state." So what's likely happening is the software is set to resample (likely up-sample) and then between tracks it shifts to 16/44 or whatever is the default for the software, then back again when the next track begins. Try turning off any re-sampling in the software - set it to pass-through or the equivalent. It should sound better that way in any case/ |
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Post by Axis on Jun 12, 2017 10:03:59 GMT -5
You guys, there is butterfly valve in there and when you turn the pump on the butterfly valve opens and only lets the music flow one direction. That clicking noise is the butterfly valve closing after your turn the pump off.
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