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Post by markc on May 2, 2021 1:30:42 GMT -5
I own an RMC-1 and I’m not interested in any of the modules that have been discussed, I bought it without need of modules to complete my purchase. This is not intended to excuse the lack of expansion boards, but in regards to the price, it’s my recollection that when the RMC-1 was announced it was going to be $5000 and have the features and expected build quality of the RMC-1L. Possibly at that time we were also expecting to be able to upgrade our XMC-1’s to 4K and 7.2.4 Atmos (we got the 4K). The XMC-2 was then announced as an alternative to the XMC-1 upgrade, the original $5000 RMC-1 got expansion slots, and the RMC-1L (with the original specs) was announced at a $1000 lower price point. Granted, there was a lot of hoopla about the wonderful expansion boards that would give the RMC-1 more channels than Baskin Robbins has flavors (almost), and many people were likely swayed by said hoopla, but there is a perspective that they did deliver on the original ’vision’ and price, even if they’ve still not fulfilled the expanded vision. Your points make sense as to why we are where we are, but do not explain how one can still purchase an RMC-1 brand new. Someone new to Emotiva and not forum-savvy could easily get suckered into buying an RMC-1 thinking thinking they were getting the top of the line processor from Emotiva, whereas the top of the line Processor is, as a point of fact, the RMC-1L The RMC-1L does everything the RMC-1 can but in a newer design and in a cleverly miniaturised case, highlighting and identifying it as the best.
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Post by Hair Nick on May 10, 2021 17:02:04 GMT -5
I wanted to share this new photo with everyone here showing the 3 modules slated for release this year. The additional balanced inputs and phono stage are done and should be available this summer. The additional balanced outputs should be available later this year as we are working on the extremely complex coding required for this implementation. Here is also a shot of the dedicated balanced output DSP board. We are also working on a full WebUI interface that we should have a preview of soon. We have been extremely busy over the past year developing new things that we can't wait to show off.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 10, 2021 20:09:10 GMT -5
So the balanced input board has two pairs of inputs! Cool 😎
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Post by markc on May 11, 2021 8:45:56 GMT -5
I retract my criticisms! At last it is not vapourware!
May I put in a polite request?
PLEASE diverge the firmwares for the future with one firmware line for XMC-2 / RMC-1L and another separate one for the RMC-1
I can already foresee that the coding needed to integrate these expansion boards is going to setup some things but likely break a whole lot more than already is, and I don't think the non-RMC-1 users deserve that!
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Post by cooldude on May 11, 2021 9:02:17 GMT -5
So will the balanced out expansion module allow atmos beyond 16 channels?
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Post by Hair Nick on May 11, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5
So will the balanced out expansion module allow atmos beyond 16 channels? Yes, it will handle up to a combination of 28 channels.
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Post by ttocs on May 11, 2021 15:15:16 GMT -5
So will the balanced out expansion module allow atmos beyond 16 channels? Yes, it will handle up to a combination of 28 channels. Does that mean DLBC is around the corner? ? ? Hint, hint, Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean? Know what I mean? (For the uninitiated: Monty Python) edit: I forgot it was nudge, nudge!
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Post by ekpen on May 11, 2021 15:33:25 GMT -5
So will the balanced out expansion module allow atmos beyond 16 channels? Yes, it will handle up to a combination of 28 channels. Hello: Good news. what if I want 28 channels max, how will I get other inputs such as phono ,etc. Are we getting an RMC -1 pro with wifi/wifi 6, phono,already built-in ? I really want to shoot for 28 channels. Last question - how many subs ?. Thanks. George.
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Post by jagman on May 11, 2021 16:57:28 GMT -5
Question: Since the module's are vaporware would one be able to get a full refund or would they be able to get a discounted price equal to the RMC-1L. It is all a bit disgraceful and shameful that there is still the RMC-1 being offered for sale for a premium of $1000 over the RMC-1L based on the premise of upgrade modules which simply don't exist in any form despite more than adequate time for the company to come up with something. Anything! We can also all be pretty confident in supposing that when any modules do arise, they are not going to offer anything radical or worthy of 2021/2/3. As there is an established inability or drive or both to release even a new analogue input or digital input or turntable input phono module, then I have no hope for additional outputs for either extra satellite channels or subwoofers. If extra channel outputs were to be released, how confident are we that any Dolby or DTS upmixing or even Dirac will work as it should across both the current channels and any expansion channels? The answer has to be "Not very" from all of us. They didn't even release a version of the EDNIB network connection box for Dirac, specific to the RMC-1 that would fit into one of the three module slots to make it feel a bit less of an afterthought. As for the previously mentioned built in streamer (AKA raspberry Pi hard wired in), this is cheaper, easier and more reliable to do with an external Pi and a cable or two for less than $50 (Even less if you swap out the EDNIB SDcard and repurpose that after you've run Dirac) We all have to deal with the parts of these three processors that need a nudge and a few frustrating hours to try to get to work, but I especially pity you RMC-1 owners who completely and utterly wasted an extra $1000. How long are you all going to keep the faith? Not that it matters, but I'm glad the EDNIB is a separate box. There is no sonic improvement to it being physically integrated into the processor and with it external all the expansion bays are still available. At least it looks like 3 expansion kits are in the works... and 2 seem to be imminent. How soon imminent is remains to be seen, but at least there is progress.
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Post by cwt on May 12, 2021 2:43:59 GMT -5
Yes, it will handle up to a combination of 28 channels. Hello: Good news. what if I want 28 channels max, how will I get other inputs such as phono ,etc. Are we getting an RMC -1 pro with wifi/wifi 6, phono,already built-in ? I really want to shoot for 28 channels. Last question - how many subs ?. Thanks. George. Ide expect the status quo with available options like this too continue ; emotiva.com/collections/pre-amps/products/xps-1Based on the modules Nick has confirmed [ the extra channel module would be a lot more complex than a pre pre phono module but still its obviously more important to many for good reason ] It will be easier to modify that extra channel ones dsp to gain a multiple sub module -which would be another with a high priority no doubt I think the plate is full for Emo without another variant to worry about I suspect .. but would welcome your suggestion
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Post by adaboy on May 12, 2021 2:47:39 GMT -5
I wanted to share this new photo with everyone here showing the 3 modules slated for release this year. The additional balanced inputs and phono stage are done and should be available this summer. The additional balanced outputs should be available later this year as we are working on the extremely complex coding required for this implementation. Here is also a shot of the dedicated balanced output DSP board. We are also working on a full WebUI interface that we should have a preview of soon. We have been extremely busy over the past year developing new things that we can't wait to show off. I stand corrected 👏. Let's get it rolling Emo! 🎉🎉
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Post by junchoon on May 13, 2021 18:20:23 GMT -5
Wish list for expansion module: 1) one more set of XLR inputs, or 2) phono stage with RCA+XLR like what Aqvox is offering Actually I am not sure the logic of the RCA inputs in the case of RMC-1, since there is no rca output anyway except the zone 2. The rca inputs should have been a second set of xlr inputs instead. My understanding is that Emotiva will includes rca to xlr converters for the outputs anyway. Then why not the inputs change to xlr as well and just provide the converters? Just my 2cents. Will Emotiva ever considered offering phono xlr like the offerings from Atma-Sphere? www.atma-sphere.com/en/mp-3.html
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Post by ekpen on May 14, 2021 0:54:29 GMT -5
Wish list for expansion module: 1) one more set of XLR inputs, or 2) phono stage with RCA+XLR like what Aqvox is offering Actually I am not sure the logic of the RCA inputs in the case of RMC-1, since there is no rca output anyway except the zone 2. The rca inputs should have been a second set of xlr inputs instead. My understanding is that Emotiva will includes rca to xlr converters for the outputs anyway. Then why not the inputs change to xlr as well and just provide the converters? Just my 2cents. Will Emotiva ever considered offering phono xlr like the offerings from Atma-Sphere? www.atma-sphere.com/en/mp-3.html To Emotiva engineers and marketing depts. Please know that when you create a product, your customers would eventually want to buy it Most customers do not see a need to go beyond 16 or 20 channels now BUT wait. - if it is offered, people will try it.(Consumer behavior). While we are waiting for HDMI 2.1, use this time to update the RMC-1 's case by redesigning it to have 2 RUs in height, then put one set of xlr outputs just to handle 4 more additional sub woofers. Subwoofers should not take too much processing, since they have their own amps. The phono stage should be built in, either with XPS -1 or with a card. A simple XPS -1,is probably ok. The streamer may not be needed, since we have devices like Nvidia Shield /PRO, and many cheap makes. A good wifi is needed,maybe a wifi 6, lots of Android tv boxes do not use Ethernet. A card dedicated for streaming may not be needed at this time. Where are the USB 3.0 ports to connect android tv boxes to ? I see none..Emotiva does not seem to have any wifi, I see no wifi antenna. This is the reason why I suggested a new box,note at one point Emotiva engineering, and marketing will have to manufacture an RMC -1 pro. With Anthem' avm 90 and Roon,and Chromecast, emotiva should offer something that is fkexible and easy to add on. Thanks. George
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Post by klinemj on May 14, 2021 7:54:11 GMT -5
To Emotiva engineers and marketing depts. Please know that when you create a product, your customers would eventually want to buy it Most customers do not see a need to go beyond 16 or 20 channels now BUT wait. - if it is offered, people will try it.(Consumer behavior). While we are waiting for HDMI 2.1, use this time to update the RMC-1 's case by redesigning it to have 2 RUs in height, then put one set of xlr outputs just to handle 4 more additional sub woofers. Subwoofers should not take too much processing, since they have their own amps. The phono stage should be built in, either with XPS -1 or with a card. A simple XPS -1,is probably ok. The streamer may not be needed, since we have devices like Nvidia Shield /PRO, and many cheap makes. A good wifi is needed,maybe a wifi 6, lots of Android tv boxes do not use Ethernet. A card dedicated for streaming may not be needed at this time. Where are the USB 3.0 ports to connect android tv boxes to ? I see none..Emotiva does not seem to have any wifi, I see no wifi antenna. This is the reason why I suggested a new box,note at one point Emotiva engineering, and marketing will have to manufacture an RMC -1 pro. With Anthem' avm 90 and Roon,and Chromecast, emotiva should offer something that is fkexible and easy to add on. Thanks. George I'm not exactly following what you are saying...are you saying you want a separate 2 RU box with those items in it...and that those would feed the processor somehow? You do understand that the expansion slots in the RMC-1 can be used for various things...including a phono stage, additional XLR outs that could be used for subs (or more other channels if one desired), additional XLR in's for those who want them, and possibly other things in the future (an audio streamer was once talked). So, you could get any of those once available. Then, it sounds like you'd like an expansion card to include wifi and USB 3.0...am I understanding you correctly? Mark (and PS - I am not Emotiva engineering or marketing...just curious what you are actually asking for...)
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Post by ekpen on May 14, 2021 8:41:46 GMT -5
while we are waiting for HDMI 2.1, there is time to re design a PRO version. The space is congested . So increase the height to accommodate more inputs. I see no usb inputs. Subwoofer, most will have their own amps. Anthem avm 90 has 4. My def tech main speakers do have sub built-in. My CC will have subs also. In my opinion, no real need for a streamer that will take another slot, instead integrate to use existing appliances, such as Nvidia shield PRO, Mecool,etc. Note, if going the route of Android tv boxes, most do not use Ethernet.
The current three physical slots we have now,will not be ok for those wanting to have 24 or 28 channels. Note: I do not know the details of the guts of the main board, may be there is a way to sneak in an XPS-1, a wifi modules, with antenna in the rear. I hope the engineers can find a way to add phono ,wifi etc. Long time ago, when RMC was advertised, I saw wifi logo, but none. A pair of usb 3.0 will be good. Those Android tv boxes use usb to connect to host Thanks George
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Post by JKCashin on May 14, 2021 12:54:27 GMT -5
To Emotiva engineers and marketing depts. Subwoofers should not take too much processing, since they have their own amps. The Gen3 processors don't have amps, so this argument makes no sense. None of the other channels have amps either. Processing is processing. Amplification is amplification.
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Post by ekpen on May 14, 2021 14:08:18 GMT -5
I am referring to my Def tech speakers that have built in sub woofers, and in fact not only Def tech brand, all types. Thanks. George
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Post by Hair Nick on Aug 10, 2021 16:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by autocrat on Aug 10, 2021 19:04:31 GMT -5
Anything for us normal people who won't use cloistered social media?
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Post by novisnick on Aug 10, 2021 19:15:28 GMT -5
Anything for us normal people who won't use cloistered social media? I’ll capture it for you
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