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Post by goodfellas27 on Dec 18, 2017 16:23:52 GMT -5
Emo lost my DAC money. I got the OPPO 205 with the latest SABRE DAC, now it supports MQA. I was looking forward to getting an Emotiva DAC, but they take too long to release things to market. I have the XMC-1 with XPA-7 amp and still waiting on the elusive v3 HDMI board. I have to connect the HDMI straight to the LG B7 and use ARC, but this method gimps the sound quality of DTS Master and Dolby TrueHD audio quality and only passes regular Dolby/DTS. eARC is supposed to take care of this efficiency and they're products already hitting the market with this way ahead of Emotiva V3 release.
As far as MQA goes, I am not sure what's the hate with it. I loved what I heard and it sounds awesome. Emotiva should definitely look into supporting it, our it will happen just like Atmos. No support and first and now, all of this hoopla about Atmos support with XMC, Emersa, etc.
I just hope Big Dan and the rest of the crew stop releasing too many things at once and focus on a high-quality item at a time. Anyway, much love to the Emo crew for the efforts. No other company is doing what you guys are doing. Hopefully, I get to see the Emersa line before I die lol.
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Post by geebo on Dec 18, 2017 16:48:39 GMT -5
Emo lost my DAC money. I got the OPPO 205 with the latest SABRE DAC, now it supports MQA. I was looking forward to getting an Emotiva DAC, but they take too long to release things to market. I have the XMC-1 with XPA-7 amp and still waiting on the elusive v3 HDMI board. I have to connect the HDMI straight to the LG B7 and use ARC, but this method gimps the sound quality of DTS Master and Dolby TrueHD audio quality and only passes regular Dolby/DTS. eARC is supposed to take care of this efficiency and they're products already hitting the market with this way ahead of Emotiva V3 release. As far as MQA goes, I am not sure what's the hate with it. I loved what I heard and it sounds awesome. Emotiva should definitely look into supporting it, our it will happen just like Atmos. No support and first and now, all of this hoopla about Atmos support with XMC, Emersa, etc. I just hope Big Dan and the rest of the crew stop releasing too many things at once and focus on a high-quality item at a time. Anyway, much love to the Emo crew for the efforts. No other company is doing what you guys are doing. Hopefully, I get to see the Emersa line before I die lol. Why use ARC and lose the benefits of DTS Master and Dolby TrueHD? Use the second HDMI output to feed audio directly from the Oppo to the XMC.
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 18, 2017 18:13:57 GMT -5
My experience with MQA is a bit like Keith's, where it sounds good it's hard to determine whether it's the mastering or MQA itself. But when it sounds bad, it's not pleasant to listen to, for even a medium length of time. I also noticed an unusual shortening of the sound stage depth with a number of MQA files, which I have read is due to the temporal deblurring process. I have yet to hear an MQA version that I prefer to an SACD version and it's about 50/50 with CD versions, so hardly conclusive.
I am also very sceptical of the business model and the way it is employed. Being at its core a collaboration between Warner and Meridian, which uses their classic library to leverage music service providers. Over time the rights they hold give diminishing returns and MQA is an attempt to sell the same content again at a higher margin.
As for Meridian DAC's, I had the opportunity to back to back test one of their Explorer 2's ($A450) with my BigEgo ($US99) and on sound quality alone the BigEgo is way better to my ears, that's using Airmotive 4's, 6's or headphones. It had a rolled off upper mid range, there was a distinct lack of air and in general many tracks sounded a bit dull. Not related to sound quality, but the control of volume via the Explorer was horrible, not at all linear. Compared to the BigEgo which is very predictable and consistent with it's resistor ladder volume control.
Merry Xmas to all Gary
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Post by novisnick on Dec 18, 2017 22:15:24 GMT -5
My experience with MQA is a bit like Keith's, where it sounds good it's hard to determine whether it's the mastering or MQA itself. But when it sounds bad, it's not pleasant to listen to, for even a medium length of time. I also noticed an unusual shortening of the sound stage depth with a number of MQA files, which I have read is due to the temporal deblurring process. I have yet to hear an MQA version that I prefer to an SACD version and it's about 50/50 with CD versions, so hardly conclusive. I am also very sceptical of the business model and the way it is employed. Being at its core a collaboration between Warner and Meridian, which uses their classic library to leverage music service providers. Over time the rights they hold give diminishing returns and MQA is an attempt to sell the same content again at a higher margin. As for Meridian DAC's, I had the opportunity to back to back test one of their Explorer 2's ($A450) with my BigEgo ($US99) and on sound quality alone the BigEgo is way better to my ears, that's using Airmotive 4's, 6's or headphones. It had a rolled off upper mid range, there was a distinct lack of air and in general many tracks sounded a bit dull. Not related to sound quality, but the control of volume via the Explorer was horrible, not at all linear. Compared to the BigEgo which is very predictable and consistent with it's resistor ladder volume control. Merry Xmas to all Gary Sounds as though your having a synergy kind of experience whereas its just not happening in your system. Also, Id never use the resistor ladder volume control of such a unit when I do have access to a better option. I havent used my Explorer2 for Headphone listening as I don’t care for cans. I have found some music that was just average done in MQA but most of it is a better listen then the DC-1 or Burr Brown of my Yamaha 3020 ive listened to. Some of the MQA tracks have rivaled some vinyl I own.
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Post by geebo on Dec 18, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -5
My experience with MQA is a bit like Keith's, where it sounds good it's hard to determine whether it's the mastering or MQA itself. But when it sounds bad, it's not pleasant to listen to, for even a medium length of time. I also noticed an unusual shortening of the sound stage depth with a number of MQA files, which I have read is due to the temporal deblurring process. I have yet to hear an MQA version that I prefer to an SACD version and it's about 50/50 with CD versions, so hardly conclusive. I am also very sceptical of the business model and the way it is employed. Being at its core a collaboration between Warner and Meridian, which uses their classic library to leverage music service providers. Over time the rights they hold give diminishing returns and MQA is an attempt to sell the same content again at a higher margin. As for Meridian DAC's, I had the opportunity to back to back test one of their Explorer 2's ($A450) with my BigEgo ($US99) and on sound quality alone the BigEgo is way better to my ears, that's using Airmotive 4's, 6's or headphones. It had a rolled off upper mid range, there was a distinct lack of air and in general many tracks sounded a bit dull. Not related to sound quality, but the control of volume via the Explorer was horrible, not at all linear. Compared to the BigEgo which is very predictable and consistent with it's resistor ladder volume control. Merry Xmas to all Gary Sounds as though your having a synergy kind of experience whereas its just not happening in your system. Also, Id never use the resistor ladder volume control of such a unit when I do have access to a better option. I havent used my Explorer2 for Headphone listening as I don’t care for cans. I have found some music that was just average done in MQA but most of it is a better listen then the DC-1 or Burr Brown of my Yamaha 3020 ive listened to. Some of the MQA tracks have rivaled some vinyl I own. Oooh, rivaling vinyl? Not a good testament to MQA, Nick.
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Post by novisnick on Dec 18, 2017 22:49:50 GMT -5
Sounds as though your having a synergy kind of experience whereas its just not happening in your system. Also, Id never use the resistor ladder volume control of such a unit when I do have access to a better option. I havent used my Explorer2 for Headphone listening as I don’t care for cans. I have found some music that was just average done in MQA but most of it is a better listen then the DC-1 or Burr Brown of my Yamaha 3020 ive listened to. Some of the MQA tracks have rivaled some vinyl I own. Oooh, rivaling vinyl? Not a good testament to MQA, Nick. Oh! But YES it is!
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 18, 2017 23:15:48 GMT -5
ooh, rivaling vinyl? Not a good testament to MQA, Nick. What he was trying to say was some of those tracks are all scratchy, snap/crackle/and pop'ish. Keith didn't bash MQA enough so Nick thought he'd help him out....
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Post by novisnick on Dec 18, 2017 23:20:52 GMT -5
ooh, rivaling vinyl? Not a good testament to MQA, Nick. What he was trying to say was some of those tracks are all scratchy, snap/crackle/and pop'ish. Keith didn't bash MQA enough so Nick thought he'd help him out.... I truely wish that people that haven’t a clue about well recorded music on fine vinyl played on very good TT and a decent cartridge would not add the two cents that arent worth half that.🤐 If your listening to snap and that gang then there is something very wrong with you!
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 18, 2017 23:42:36 GMT -5
Doh!
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Post by geebo on Dec 19, 2017 8:06:53 GMT -5
What he was trying to say was some of those tracks are all scratchy, snap/crackle/and pop'ish. Keith didn't bash MQA enough so Nick thought he'd help him out.... I truely wish that people that haven’t a clue about well recorded music on fine vinyl played on very good TT and a decent cartridge would not add the two cents that arent worth half that.🤐 If your listening to snap and that gang then there is something very wrong with you! Vinyl just doesn't do it for me, Nick. Now open reel tape with a good master, well, that's a different story and is the best analog I've ever heard by a long shot. I still have some direct to disc recordings by Sheffield Labs and while they can be quite good (the best vinyl I've heard), the noise ruins the experience. And it gets worse the more you play them.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Dec 19, 2017 8:13:52 GMT -5
Emo lost my DAC money. I got the OPPO 205 with the latest SABRE DAC, now it supports MQA. I was looking forward to getting an Emotiva DAC, but they take too long to release things to market. I have the XMC-1 with XPA-7 amp and still waiting on the elusive v3 HDMI board. I have to connect the HDMI straight to the LG B7 and use ARC, but this method gimps the sound quality of DTS Master and Dolby TrueHD audio quality and only passes regular Dolby/DTS. eARC is supposed to take care of this efficiency and they're products already hitting the market with this way ahead of Emotiva V3 release. As far as MQA goes, I am not sure what's the hate with it. I loved what I heard and it sounds awesome. Emotiva should definitely look into supporting it, our it will happen just like Atmos. No support and first and now, all of this hoopla about Atmos support with XMC, Emersa, etc. I just hope Big Dan and the rest of the crew stop releasing too many things at once and focus on a high-quality item at a time. Anyway, much love to the Emo crew for the efforts. No other company is doing what you guys are doing. Hopefully, I get to see the Emersa line before I die lol. Why use ARC and lose the benefits of DTS Master and Dolby TrueHD? Use the second HDMI output to feed audio directly from the Oppo to the XMC. Sorry, referring to PS4. I also use it on streaming Apps from the TV, since it supports Dolby Vision
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Post by KeithL on Dec 19, 2017 10:02:35 GMT -5
Obviously not all of us have the same priorities. My experience "back in the days of vinyl" was like Geebo's. I always cleaned my records carefully, never left the dust cover off my turntable, and cleaned the stylus every few records - and yet I could never avoid the occasional tick. And, for whatever reason, I could never just ignore those ticks and pops. Every time I heard a tick or pop I would flinch - just a little bit. If I heard a bad tick, I would get up, stop the record, and clean it. Then I would play that track again... and, if the tick was still there, go looking for the heavy duty cleaning solution. If that didn't fix it, it was back to the record store for another copy. And, for the albums I really loved, I usually bought at least one spare copy - which I kept sealed. (Even though you might get a tick on a sealed copy - at least the odds were better.) That was the thing that attracted me to digital audio. The files themselves DON'T CHANGE OR DETERIORATE. If I hear a tick or a pop, I KNOW that the problem lies with the DAC, or my network, and that my precious source file is absolutely perfect. So I know that, once I correct the problem, it will really go away. (And I can run a checksum and confirm that my music itself is perfect whenever I need to; in fact, I can tell my computer to "check" my entire collection, and it will...) With analog sources like records you cannot make a perfect copy (in fact, even different albums pressed from the same master can be slightly different). And records change over time - they actually wear (which digital files do not). Digital is the exact opposite; I CAN make a perfect copy; not "sort of perfect" or "really, really, close" but ABSOLUTELY THE SAME. And, even if a CD does wear, and accumulate errors, as long as they're all correctable errors they don't count... because the data that comes out of the error correction circuitry will STILL be perfect. And, unlike a record, if I want to keep a spare copy locked away, I don't have to buy it.... and then hope it's perfect; I KNOW it's perfect and exactly the same.. To me, ticks and pops are like "dirt on the windshield"..... Or dirt on my computer monitor.... I can't just "pretend it's not a screen" or "pretend there's nothing between me and what I'm watching" if there's dirt on it..... (Unlike Geebo, I'd have to extend that to tape hiss as well, though. ) I truely wish that people that haven’t a clue about well recorded music on fine vinyl played on very good TT and a decent cartridge would not add the two cents that arent worth half that.🤐 If your listening to snap and that gang then there is something very wrong with you! Vinyl just doesn't do it for me, Nick. Now open reel tape with a good master, well, that's a different story and is the best analog I've ever heard by a long shot. I still have some direct to disc recordings by Sheffield Labs and while they can be quite good (the best vinyl I've heard), the noise ruins the experience. And it gets worse the more you play them.
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Post by geebo on Dec 19, 2017 10:16:47 GMT -5
Obviously not all of us have the same priorities. My experience "back in the days of vinyl" was like Geebo's. I always cleaned my records carefully, never left the dust cover off my turntable, and cleaned the stylus every few records - and yet I could never avoid the occasional tick. And, for whatever reason, I could never just ignore those ticks and pops. Every time I heard a tick or pop I would flinch - just a little bit. If I heard a bad tick, I would get up, stop the record, and clean it. Then I would play that track again... and, if the tick was still there, go looking for the heavy duty cleaning solution. If that didn't fix it, it was back to the record store for another copy. And, for the albums I really loved, I usually bought at least one spare copy - which I kept sealed. (Even though you might get a tick on a sealed copy - at least the odds were better.) That was the thing that attracted me to digital audio. The files themselves DON'T CHANGE OR DETERIORATE. If I hear a tick or a pop, I KNOW that the problem lies with the DAC, or my network, and that my precious source file is absolutely perfect. So I know that, once I correct the problem, it will really go away. (And I can run a checksum and confirm that my music itself is perfect whenever I need to; in fact, I can tell my computer to "check" my entire collection, and it will...) With analog sources like records you cannot make a perfect copy (in fact, even different albums pressed from the same master can be slightly different). And records change over time - they actually wear (which digital files do not). Digital is the exact opposite; I CAN make a perfect copy; not "sort of perfect" or "really, really, close" but ABSOLUTELY THE SAME. And, even if a CD does wear, and accumulate errors, as long as they're all correctable errors they don't count... because the data that comes out of the error correction circuitry will STILL be perfect. And, unlike a record, if I want to keep a spare copy locked away, I don't have to buy it.... and then hope it's perfect; I KNOW it's perfect and exactly the same.. To me, ticks and pops are like "dirt on the windshield"..... Or dirt on my computer monitor.... I can't just "pretend it's not a screen" or "pretend there's nothing between me and what I'm watching" if there's dirt on it..... (Unlike Geebo, I'd have to extend that to tape hiss as well, though. ) Vinyl just doesn't do it for me, Nick. Now open reel tape with a good master, well, that's a different story and is the best analog I've ever heard by a long shot. I still have some direct to disc recordings by Sheffield Labs and while they can be quite good (the best vinyl I've heard), the noise ruins the experience. And it gets worse the more you play them. Yes, tape hiss is an issue but it's steady state, smoother nature and low level was much more tolerable. Tape was the best ANALOG I've ever heard.
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Post by audiobill on Dec 19, 2017 10:18:46 GMT -5
Call me odd, but I pay more attention to melody, harmony and rhythm.........you know, music.
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Post by geebo on Dec 19, 2017 10:24:39 GMT -5
Call me odd, but I pay more attention to melody, harmony and rhythm.........you know, music. Exactly what I want to hear. That's the whole point. But I don't want any distractions taking away from it. I take it too seriously I guess. .
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 19, 2017 10:44:34 GMT -5
Call me odd, but I pay more attention to melody, harmony and rhythm.........you know, music. Yes, but obviously there is more to it than that. You're on an Emotiva forum, you love Tube amps, so therefore the quality (or "type of sound") is just as important to you; else you would be content with a $100 "ghetto blaster" from Walmart or something nasty from bose etc etc. I'm willing to be that those who like vinyl, just like the fluff around it. Put all their records on individual record players in a locked vault so that a computer has to choose which recordplayer/record to play ... and suddenly they wouldn't care for vinyl all that much anymore. They like all the tasks involving records more than the actual sound coming through the speakers. I'm young enough to appreciate digital and old enough to have heard vinyl and tape as a kid. There is NO comparison. Like KeithL said, the fact that you can guarantee with 100% mathematical certainty that your sound doesn't degrade with time and each playback, is something no analog source can ever offer.
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Post by KeithL on Dec 19, 2017 11:54:24 GMT -5
All fair statements.... First off, I agree with your statement that "MQA is not well understood by most people". However, the main reason that's true seems to me to be that the folks trying to sell it to me are unwilling or unable to explain it in a way that makes sense. (That doesn't actually mean that it doesn't make sense.... but it does introduce doubts.) The problem is that the claims keep changing.... to the point where it seems suspiciously like they really don't want to explain what their product actually is. (My personal suspicion there is that they started with a concept.... of a problem looking for a solution.... and they've been "feeling around for which parts of it they can sell as products".) It could be an end-to-end process for recording and audio reproduction.... (except I haven't seen very many albums MASTERED IN MQA FROM SCRATCH). And it could include a process for re-mastering existing content by "reverse engineering" the recordings to improve them.... (if so, then you SHOULD be able to play those improved re-masters by themselves). And cutesy words like "fold" and "origami" sure seem intended to suggest that the process is lossless...(except now we all know that it is not). And "whole huge libraries of albums have been remastered in MQA"..... (except, oddly, I haven't been able to purchase copies of any of them - and, no, I do NOT equate "leasing music on Tidal" with "owning" it). And it seems like a streaming technology which just might be able to deliver content that sounds nearly as good as high-res, but using a lot less bandwidth... (which seems worthwhile, but has nothing to do with that other stuff). The problem is that they seem to be insisting that I buy into "the whole package" or "join the club". I find it... interesting... that: "you're not sure they've even given us the whole explanation"... yet you're "convinced that it's technologically sound". Why? (If you sift through enough articles and interviews, and try to compensate for the stuff that keeps changing, you'll find that most of the explanation is actually available... in terms of what their process attempts to do and why. And, yes, what they claim to be doing at various points seems to be "technologically sound" - which is not the same as saying that it makes an AUDIBLE difference or that the difference you hear is really BETTER FIDELITY. I do a lot of work in Photoshop, and I know of lots of post processing methods that can often make a picture "more pleasing to many people" - but that's not at all the same as saying that the picture becomes more accurate.) As for my personal experience..... I listened to a whole bunch of MQA versions of albums for several hours (via Tidal - and with only the "first unfold" - the actual software decode step). Some sounded different than the version I was used to... and some did not. Of those that sounded different... a few seemed to sound better, one or two seemed to sound sort of shrill, and a few sounded just different - but not better or worse. In short, I found the difference far short of compelling. A few other people here expressed the same sentiment.... ("interesting"; "sometimes better"; "sometimes worse"; "not especially compelling"). I actually did hear one or two recent albums where the MQA version sounded better - to me - than the non-MQA version. However, with nothing else to compare them to, I don't know if it was really more accurate, so all I can say is that the MQA Tidal Master version sounded a bit better to me, and I would have been willing to buy it. (I would have happily paid $25 for the new Blondie album as a 24/192k MQA FLAC.... as long as it would play on my current equipment..... but they didn't seem to want to sell it to me.) I've been rambling on here.... and it finally dawned on me what my biggest quibble with MQA is..... It makes me feel the same way I feel when I see a new computer program I like.... then I find out I can't buy it.... I have to SUBSCRIBE to it. And, even if I do that, I can't just put it on whatever computer I feel like because I have to keep moving a license around and jumping through all sorts of other annoying hoops. I can't "just buy some MQA music"; they want me to "invest in MQA"; and it just isn't that compelling (when I bought my first 24/192k file from HDTracks nobody asked me to buy a new DAC). AGAIN, HOWEVER, JUST TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR HERE.....
Emotiva is in the business of providing high quality audio products that provide both the sound quality and features our customers want and need. Part of that involves deciding whether a given feature is worthwhile... or whether the cost to add it is justified by how much our customers value it. As a company, we don't "like" or "dislike" MQA. (However, as individuals, many of us may have our own opinions.) In this case, adding MQA to a product adds certain licensing costs, and certain costs in terms of product development and approval. We do NOT "support MQA" or "not support MQA"; neither do we think that it is "necessary" or "unnecessary". If ENOUGH of our customers want it, and are willing to pay enough to offset the costs of adding it, then we will of course consider adding it to new products. However, to be honest, when we ran a survey, VERY few people seemed to care, and even fewer said they were willing to pay extra for MQA.
I should also point out, however, that the "case for MQA hardware" has become less compelling now that the important first decode step CAN be done in software. (And, if and when there are finally a significant number of MQA files we can actually own, several player programs will be able to both play and decode them without requiring you to purchase extra hardware.)
OK..... just to be fair...... As a company, Emotiva is more "MQA agnostic". From the technical descriptions of MQA, and the samples of it we've heard (on Tidal), we didn't see or hear anything especially compelling about it. (While we noticed that some MQA content sounded different, we aren't quite so sure it was better.) However, we might consider adding it to future products.... if there's enough market demand to justify the effort and aggravation of implementing it. As an individual....... (Keith) - I personally don't like their business model.... - I also agree with the idea, shared by quite a few others, that "they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist". - And I still haven't quite decided if they deliberately tried to confuse everyone about the technology or simply aren't very good about explaining it.... - BUT, as I've said repeatedly, while I won't buy yet another remaster of something BECAUSE it's MQA, if I start hearing MQA remasters that sound better, I will cheerfully start buying them. I would also point out that, since the important "first unfold" can now be done in SOFTWARE, there's no longer any compelling need to "support MQA" in a DAC. You can simply do the decoding in software and play the resulting 24/96k output on a good DAC.... and skip all the aggravation of putting it in the hardware inside the DAC. (And, when you look at it that way, then all DACs already support it.... ) So 1)I'm not sure you have heard the full MQA process including all 3 unfolds,. 2)I'm not sure the complete mathematical/technical basis of MQA has been fully revealed let alone fully understood, but I'm willing to bet it is soundly technically based. 3)There has certainly been a flood of criticisms written about something that is not fully understood by people who have not really listened to the fully unfolded results of a goodly sample of recordings. 4)Emotiva has not officially bashed anything - sorry for that statement; but you personally, a Emotiva employee on a company sponsored blog, have expressed nothing but negativity about MQA and the intentions of the company, a company I think is in the forefront of DAC technical development. Finally I have been enjoying full MQA unfoldings from Tidal on my Cary AiOS integrated Streamer/DAC/amp and it sounds better than on my other equipment and I have a lot of highly regarded equipment. So I want more MQA capability to integrate with my other systems (Emotiva XSP-1/XPA-1/Maggie 3.6R and Cary SLP-3/Music Fidelity 550k/ Revel Salon2) The fact that the AiOS / NHT 2.3 little system can even appeal to me given the competition in my own house speaks to the something that MQA is positively adding. So I want more MQA. But that's just me, based on experience of my own equipment in my own house.
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Post by KeithL on Dec 19, 2017 11:58:48 GMT -5
Agreed..... unlike ticks and pops, which I find amazingly annoying and distracting, at least tape hiss is innocuous. Yes, tape hiss is an issue but it's steady state, smoother nature and low level was much more tolerable. Tape was the best ANALOG I've ever heard.
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 19, 2017 12:11:59 GMT -5
I realize I'm part of the veering off track in this thread but I figured I'd add my two cents.
There is well-recorded and poorly-recorded vinyl, just as there is with CD's or any other media.
Back in my vinyl days, I had some records that sounded great and some sounded terrible, in terms of recording and engineering quality.
If you took a track that was very well recorded on both vinyl and CD and played both blind (and that excellent quality also translated into no noise on the vinyl version), people would not be able to tell one from the other.
And I suspect that if a vinyl fan happened to choose the CD as the better-sounding version, their remark would be something like, "Wow, that CD sounds like vinyl!" Or if they found that a vinyl version sounded subpar compared to the CD version, they would exclaim, "Wow, that vinyl sounds like a CD!"
(Oh and so I don't veer too far off, let me say I have no plans to buy a DC-2 because I am perfectly happy with my Schiit Bimby)
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Post by novisnick on Dec 19, 2017 12:35:04 GMT -5
Agreed..... unlike ticks and pops, which I find amazingly annoying and distracting, at least tape hiss is innocuous. Yes, tape hiss is an issue but it's steady state, smoother nature and low level was much more tolerable. Tape was the best ANALOG I've ever heard. Y’all are most welcome to come hear what a very good vinyl playback system sounds like! Ill buy you a box of Rice Crispys if you must insist on having them! 🎼🎼🎼🎼🎼
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