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Post by goozoo on Oct 9, 2017 16:56:20 GMT -5
For those that attended Emofest this year, you were fortunate enough to experience Emo's make shift version of height channels which seems to have garnered a cult following, even though they were not actually production speakers. Given how limited and lacking the arena currently is for effective height channels, I am curious to find out what others thought about their sound, look, etc. So much of what is available today seems to be a re-hash or variation on an in-ceiling speakers often facing the same limitations. The Emo setup seemed like an evolution/game changer in providing truly immersive sound from the height channels with nearly even sound distribution from every angle. I for one would pre-order such a speakers if they were available as I feel that strongly about their potential in such a wanting marketplace. What do you guys think? Can we convince Dan and the gang to proceed with a production model? Take the poll and feel free to comment.
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Post by klinemj on Oct 9, 2017 17:03:03 GMT -5
If I had a GIANT room...oh yeah. But, with my ceiling heights, I'd be hitting my head on them all the time. That said - they did sound AMAZING in the giant room we were in.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 9, 2017 17:35:06 GMT -5
I need ten years to see and here how ATMOS does in the home and if there is enough In the Way of material worth watching and listening to to even bother with the overheads.
What a dismal year for movies, but the best of the crop were driven by fine actor performance rather than helicopters.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Oct 9, 2017 18:12:49 GMT -5
My room is also too small. My only hope for Atmos will be to use something like the Klipsch RP-140SA Elevation Speakers sitting on top of my Legacy Audio Focus SE Speakers and bouncing off the standard 8' high ceiling to give me two height channels. And even then, given that would put them 55" high, I'm not sure how good a job they'd do. But I suppose for $500, it might be worth a try ... Has anyone else tried 5.1.2?? Casey |
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Post by hemster on Oct 9, 2017 20:42:29 GMT -5
I voted "yes" as I'm thinking of going Atmos this winter. The flower arrangement of height speakers at Emofest mitigated a lack of walls in the "room" but I have a 9' ceiling and walls. I won't be needing 4 speakers at each location, but it would need fun to experiment!  |
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Post by LuisV on Oct 9, 2017 20:54:01 GMT -5
I wasn't at Emofest, so I voted... Need more info. Any pictures?
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Post by novisnick on Oct 9, 2017 21:45:59 GMT -5
Does anybody have a photo or sketch of them?
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Post by ÈlTwo on Oct 9, 2017 21:58:04 GMT -5
I'd really like in ceiling speakers for Atmos.
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 9, 2017 22:58:08 GMT -5
I prefer my speakers to have the same (or very similar ) sound signatures so I doubt that Emotiva speakers would match. Plus transporting boxes mostly full of air half way around the world isn't very economical.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by simpleman68 on Oct 10, 2017 6:25:10 GMT -5
Does anybody have a photo or sketch of them? Can't find a photo but there were 4 clusters of 4 E1s each. Picture 4 E1s mounted together in the shape of a plus sign and then turn them at a slight upward angle (maybe 10 degrees) Scott |
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Post by pknaz on Oct 10, 2017 9:20:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure you'd want that arrangement in a standard sized residential space, but I'd definitely buy some in-wall speakers (similar to their older line of in-wall).
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Post by petew on Oct 10, 2017 20:47:45 GMT -5
DIYSG volt coaxial speakers would be a better match for my mains and surrounds. Plus I like DIY.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Oct 10, 2017 21:56:07 GMT -5
I prefer my speakers to have the same (or very similar ) sound signatures so I doubt that Emotiva speakers would match. Plus transporting boxes mostly full of air half way around the world isn't very economical. Cheers Gary I wonder how necessary that really needs to be for in ceiling Atmos speakers. I'm not so sure the Atmos speakers that bounce the sound off the ceiling would necessarily match their brand mates, since the sound is very dependent upon the surface it is being bounced off of. |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 10, 2017 22:00:37 GMT -5
I prefer my speakers to have the same (or very similar ) sound signatures so I doubt that Emotiva speakers would match. Plus transporting boxes mostly full of air half way around the world isn't very economical. Cheers Gary I wonder how necessary that really needs to be for in ceiling Atmos speakers. I'm not so sure the Atmos speakers that bounce the sound off the ceiling would necessarily match their brand mates, since the sound is very dependent upon the surface it is being bounced off of. Very good point IMHO |
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Post by jevans64 on Oct 10, 2017 22:16:59 GMT -5
I voted YES, but I would just have the mounts available to purchase. The " flower " arrangements were just 4 E1s mounted to a frame that attached to the ceiling frame. Just selling the mounts would probably be the quickest way for Emotiva to satisfy the needs of the folks that want a similar arrangement. I didn't see the arrays at CEDIA, but I believe those were more of a custom build for the lower ceilings at that venue. All I saw was a rough mock-up of those.
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 10, 2017 22:54:23 GMT -5
I prefer my speakers to have the same (or very similar ) sound signatures so I doubt that Emotiva speakers would match. Plus transporting boxes mostly full of air half way around the world isn't very economical. I wonder how necessary that really needs to be for in ceiling Atmos speakers. I'm not so sure the Atmos speakers that bounce the sound off the ceiling would necessarily match their brand mates, since the sound is very dependent upon the surface it is being bounced off of. For that very reason I wouldn't use bounce speakers. Cheers Gary |
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Post by vneal on Oct 11, 2017 6:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 8:45:33 GMT -5
Weighing in:
I'm personally of the opinion that the best way to add Atmos channels is to use in-ceiling speakers, configured for the broadest possible dispersion. Use direct-incidence speakers, not the angled-incidence type, and sit off-axis. We are currently looking at an in-ceiling offering featuring the Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeters. The problem with surface-mounted or hanging solutions for Atmos channels is just as people have said, low ceiling heights make them impractical, and low-hanging speakers also work against creating a diffuse soundfield in the height channels, so you tend to hear the locations of the speakers more than the location of the sound. So for now, in residential applications, in-ceiling solutions are the 'gold standard'.
We probably will not be making our custom 4-way angled mount for the E1 speakers available as a product, because that was created to provide high output from Atmos channels in a large ballroom (AXPONA), and we re-used them at Emofest, but they are impractical for most home environments. However, you can achieve something very similar in your own room by using L-brackets and mounting them into the ends or sides of an E1 speaker, then using them to mount the speaker to your ceiling, facing downward so you are sitting off-axis (to minimize localization). As long as you don't drill directly into drivers, crossover, port tubes, or internal wiring (and don't complain to us to try to fix/replace the speaker because of work you did) your warranty on other parts of the speaker won't be affected by a few small screw holes. Just use extreme care to mount the speaker into studs or use appropriate load-bearing anchors, and select the proper hardware. Plan to provide 1/2" behind the speaker for wiring. Keep in mind that being hit by a falling speaker will cause injury if someone is under it, and that can ruin your evening, so use the appropriate care. If you have access to the attic space, you can install a backing board made from plywood or OSB to support the weight of the E1, which is not excessive.
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Post by cwmcobra on Oct 11, 2017 10:34:06 GMT -5
Weighing in: I'm personally of the opinion that the best way to add Atmos channels is to use in-ceiling speakers, configured for the broadest possible dispersion. Use direct-incidence speakers, not the angled-incidence type, and sit off-axis. We are currently looking at an in-ceiling offering featuring the Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeters. The problem with surface-mounted or hanging solutions for Atmos channels is just as people have said, low ceiling heights make them impractical, and low-hanging speakers also work against creating a diffuse soundfield in the height channels, so you tend to hear the locations of the speakers more than the location of the sound. So for now, in residential applications, in-ceiling solutions are the 'gold standard'. We probably will not be making our custom 4-way angled mount for the E1 speakers available as a product, because that was created to provide high output from Atmos channels in a large ballroom (AXPONA), and we re-used them at Emofest, but they are impractical for most home environments. However, you can achieve something very similar in your own room by using L-brackets and mounting them into the ends or sides of an E1 speaker, then using them to mount the speaker to your ceiling, facing downward so you are sitting off-axis (to minimize localization). As long as you don't drill directly into drivers, crossover, port tubes, or internal wiring (and don't complain to us to try to fix/replace the speaker because of work you did) your warranty on other parts of the speaker won't be affected by a few small screw holes. Just use extreme care to mount the speaker into studs or use appropriate load-bearing anchors, and select the proper hardware. Plan to provide 1/2" behind the speaker for wiring. Keep in mind that being hit by a falling speaker will cause injury if someone is under it, and that can ruin your evening, so use the appropriate care. If you have access to the attic space, you can install a backing board made from plywood or OSB to support the weight of the E1, which is not excessive. Good to read your thoughts on this, Rory. Can you add your personal view of the importance of timbre-matching the ceiling speakers to the rest of the system? I know for many it's impossible. In my opinion, if it's possible and practical, it would probably be the best approach. But how far from "ideal" does the Atmos experience wander if timbre-matching is not possible or simply not inplemented? Thanks! Chuck |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Oct 11, 2017 10:49:59 GMT -5
I see two fundamentally different implementation scenarios for Atmos Height Speakers: - New work: Ceiling exposed, wires can be run along/through rafters, etc. before drywall is hung.
- Old work: You're screwed. Either you rip everything up or you come up with some hack or really ugly solution.
For new work, I think the in-ceiling speakers are almost certainly the way to go both in terms of sound and aesthetics. For an old work installation, it's hard to think of anything better than bouncing it off the ceiling and hoping it doesn't suck too much. For the record, I'm definitely in the "old work" camp ... and I rent ... Casey |
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