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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 11, 2017 18:30:37 GMT -5
Meh. "Acting Quality" only works if there's a good script. And the scripts and hideous dialog were some of the worst aspects of Episodes I, II, and III. Like I said before: it would be great if a really good director and set of writers redid the entire thing. Casey And what .................... the acting, due to the scripts, were better in 4/5/6  . A good actor recognises what the script needs and moves the dialog accordingly. IMHO Lucas wanted total control, so he deliberately used actors with next to no experience and zero credibility so they wouldn't challenge him on his poor choices. How's the script in Rogue One? Or is it just that Felicity Jones can actually act? An Oxford University Drama School graduate, nominations for the Golden Globe, SAG, BAFTA and Academy Award for Best Actress and winning the 2016 BAFTA Britannia Award for British Artist of the Year. Notice the difference? Cheers Gary |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 11, 2017 18:33:40 GMT -5
Meh. "Acting Quality" only works if there's a good script. And the scripts and hideous dialog were some of the worst aspects of Episodes I, II, and III. Like I said before: it would be great if a really good director and set of writers redid the entire thing. Casey And what .................... the acting, due to the scripts, were better in 4/5/6 . A good actor recognises what the script needs and moves the dialog accordingly. IMHO Lucas wanted total control, so he deliberately used actors with next to no experience and zero credibility so they wouldn't challenge him on his poor choices. How's the script in Rogue One? Or is it just that Felicity Jones can actually act? An Oxford University Drama School graduate, nominations for the Golden Globe, SAG, BAFTA and Academy Award for Best Actress and winning the 2016 BAFTA Britannia Award for British Artist of the Year. Notice the difference? Cheers Gary These lines were never in Rogue one, just sayin'! |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 11, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -5
And what .................... the acting, due to the scripts, were better in 4/5/6 . A good actor recognises what the script needs and moves the dialog accordingly. IMHO Lucas wanted total control, so he deliberately used actors with next to no experience and zero credibility so they wouldn't challenge him on his poor choices. How's the script in Rogue One? Or is it just that Felicity Jones can actually act? An Oxford University Drama School graduate, nominations for the Golden Globe, SAG, BAFTA and Academy Award for Best Actress and winning the 2016 BAFTA Britannia Award for British Artist of the Year. Notice the difference? These lines were never in Rogue one, just sayin'! Maybe they were and the quality actor refused to ...................  Cheers Gary |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 11, 2017 18:54:35 GMT -5
These lines were never in Rogue one, just sayin'! Maybe they were and the quality actor refused to ................... Cheers Gary Well they did shoot the scene at a beach in Rogue One and it got cut. So..it's not out of the realm of possibility.  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 11, 2017 19:05:58 GMT -5
Actually, why would you even bother watching episodes I-III? Casey I actually enjoyed episode III-Revenge of the Sith, but completely agree on the episodes I & II. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 11, 2017 22:03:19 GMT -5
I can handle quite a bit of I—III, save Jar Jar Binks, though what really sends me over the top are the Hayden Christianson angst scenes ...
I’ve heard the argument for starting with IV best put as, where would you start to turn someone else on to Star Wars?
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Post by gus4emo on Dec 11, 2017 22:28:05 GMT -5
Actually, why would you even bother watching episodes I-III? Casey People expected too much out of Episode I, if you follow the story, it's not that bad......Episode III was quite good..... |
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Post by gus4emo on Dec 11, 2017 22:37:41 GMT -5
I see a little bit of bashing, Star Wars is BY FAR the greatest franchise in Hollywood's history, Rogue One being a stand alone was a success, let me see any basher come up with a anything. ....
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 12, 2017 0:38:08 GMT -5
People expected too much out of Episode I, if you follow the story, it's not that bad......Episode III was quite good..... Oh, I'm sure "expectations" were a big part of it. It's always hard when people walk in expecting a miracle. If you can, it's always better to under promise and over deliver. And also like I said, once I finally saw Episode III, I realized that what we were looking at was just a standard Greek Tragedy (mostly minus the chorus). But the story arc could have been done so much better. And finally, regarding "script/dialogue quality": Remember hearing an interview with a famous director many years ago on National Public Radio. The NPR Host asked the director what the most important element of a great movie was. Actors? Filming? Director? And the director replied: "A good script. You can wrangle a good movie out of mediocre actors, filming, etc. with a good script. It doesn't work the other way." (Sorry, I tried finding a reference to the interview but it was just too many years ago.) I think that the only reason Episode IV worked as well as it did was because the story was so simple and direct. There just weren't that many ways it could be screwed up. As a result, the script was actually pretty good. And of course we did have Alec Guinness (who famously hated the whole "force nonsense" after his involvement). Of all the movies, Episode V was probably the best "film". But regardless, I do in fact plan on seeing the new one. Heck, I may even go to see it at the theater ... :-) Casey [[ I do seem to have stirred up some hornets ... :-) ]] |
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Post by cgolf on Dec 12, 2017 9:40:32 GMT -5
People expected too much out of Episode I, if you follow the story, it's not that bad......Episode III was quite good..... Oh, I'm sure "expectations" were a big part of it. It's always hard when people walk in expecting a miracle. If you can, it's always better to under promise and over deliver. And also like I said, once I finally saw Episode III, I realized that what we were looking at was just a standard Greek Tragedy (mostly minus the chorus). But the story arc could have been done so much better. And finally, regarding "script/dialogue quality": Remember hearing an interview with a famous director many years ago on National Public Radio. The NPR Host asked the director what the most important element of a great movie was. Actors? Filming? Director? And the director replied: "A good script. You can wrangle a good movie out of mediocre actors, filming, etc. with a good script. It doesn't work the other way." (Sorry, I tried finding a reference to the interview but it was just too many years ago.) I think that the only reason Episode IV worked as well as it did was because the story was so simple and direct. There just weren't that many ways it could be screwed up. As a result, the script was actually pretty good. And of course we did have Alec Guinness (who famously hated the whole "force nonsense" after his involvement). Of all the movies, Episode V was probably the best "film". But regardless, I do in fact plan on seeing the new one. Heck, I may even go to see it at the theater ... :-) Casey [[ I do seem to have stirred up some hornets ... :-) ]] The main reason IV was the best and even why V & VI were great was that in 1977 there were no computers, digitizers, etc. All of the special effects were done by hand, manual, created, etc. What Lucas and his band did was over the top and will always be one of the most creative, genius projects ever completed!!  |
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 12, 2017 11:41:02 GMT -5
Just read reactions for its premier, a handful of lucky sob's, lol.....they all are calling it the best Star Wars ever..... Well, unfortunately they said the same thing about The Force Awakens and so far it's easily the WORST Star Wars movie of them all. 6.5 out 10 tops. I just get so tired of everyone bashing 1-2-3 and acting like 4-5-6 are the gospel of perfection. Anyone who says 4-5-6 are awesome and 1-2-3 suck hasn't really gone back and watched 4-5-6 without their youthful memories rose colored glasses on. They ALL have their great moments and faults. They are all really good and have issues at the same time (depending on how you look at them and what you consider important). The best light saber fight scenes are easily in 1-2-3. The Jar-Jar argument thing gets really old considering he's only prevalent in Phantom and because 3PO is just as if not more obnoxiously annoying and he's in EVERY movie. Bad whiny sniveling acting in 1-2-3? Can you say Mark Hamill? Bad dialog? Can you say Han and Leia? I could go on and on..... But I digress. This thread is already another cables / power conditioner argument thread. We can discuss it all day long and it's utterly pointless. I'm looking forward to this new one. Have had this Sunday's tickets for well over a month now. We are taking our 11 year old nephew. But I'm going in pessimistic so I can be happily surprised if it's actually good. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 12, 2017 11:49:28 GMT -5
But WaY mOrE fUn than talking about cables and power conditioners ... :-)
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 12, 2017 12:09:32 GMT -5
Star Wars is BY FAR the greatest franchise in Hollywood's history..... "Greatest" yes. But "Best," no. They are different. I'd personally give that to Harry Potter. Although Potter is also very high up on the greatest list too, at least top five. I don't think there is any other series made that is so repeatedly enjoyable to watch so many times over and over and over. And unlike something like Lord of the Rings, it's enjoyable for everyone, from young kids to old adults. |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 12, 2017 12:17:16 GMT -5
Star Wars is BY FAR the greatest franchise in Hollywood's history..... "Greatest" yes. But "Best," no. They are different. I'd personally give that to Harry Potter. Although Potter is also very high up on the greatest list too, at least top five. I don't think there is any other series made that is so repeatedly enjoyable to watch so many times over and over and over. And unlike something like Lord of the Rings, it's enjoyable for everyone, from young kids to old adults.
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 12, 2017 12:28:00 GMT -5
Orville the Movie will be so much fun! I've got that show on my DVR and so far it's just not doing much for me. I can't put my finger on it. I really wanted to like it. I'm still watching though. |
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 12, 2017 12:34:46 GMT -5
But WaY mOrE fUn than talking about cables and power conditioners ... :-) Casey I dunno. At least with cables and conditioners I think people are willing to listen and learn somewhat. With this Star Wars thing people seem to be set in stone, and/or have their heads up their a$$es, and/or are unable to separate their emotional experiences as kids with reality. It can be frustrating. |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 12, 2017 12:59:11 GMT -5
But WaY mOrE fUn than talking about cables and power conditioners ... :-) Casey I dunno. At least with cables and conditioners I think people are willing to listen and learn somewhat. With this Star Wars thing people seem to be set in stone, and/or have their heads up their a$$es, and/or are unable to separate their emotional experiences as kids with reality. It can be frustrating. They do skim across some political commentary BUT it really doesn’t take itself all that seriously! Like when they blew up an alien ship and the weapons guy jumps up and rejoyces! Its fun! |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 12, 2017 14:08:58 GMT -5
By the way, I've seen two professional reviews drop now — both very favorable — from the New York Times and National Public Radio. So I guess the official embargo is over ... Casey |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Dec 12, 2017 14:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by gus4emo on Dec 12, 2017 14:26:40 GMT -5
People expected too much out of Episode I, if you follow the story, it's not that bad......Episode III was quite good..... Oh, I'm sure "expectations" were a big part of it. It's always hard when people walk in expecting a miracle. If you can, it's always better to under promise and over deliver. And also like I said, once I finally saw Episode III, I realized that what we were looking at was just a standard Greek Tragedy (mostly minus the chorus). But the story arc could have been done so much better. And finally, regarding "script/dialogue quality": Remember hearing an interview with a famous director many years ago on National Public Radio. The NPR Host asked the director what the most important element of a great movie was. Actors? Filming? Director? And the director replied: "A good script. You can wrangle a good movie out of mediocre actors, filming, etc. with a good script. It doesn't work the other way." (Sorry, I tried finding a reference to the interview but it was just too many years ago.) I think that the only reason Episode IV worked as well as it did was because the story was so simple and direct. There just weren't that many ways it could be screwed up. As a result, the script was actually pretty good. And of course we did have Alec Guinness (who famously hated the whole "force nonsense" after his involvement). Of all the movies, Episode V was probably the best "film". But regardless, I do in fact plan on seeing the new one. Heck, I may even go to see it at the theater ... :-) Casey [[ I do seem to have stirred up some hornets ... :-) ]] Episode IV was simple? Just try taking a look at all the details on screen, and IMO, the most inspiring Score of all time.... |
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