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Post by LuisV on Dec 19, 2017 0:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Dec 19, 2017 0:41:28 GMT -5
I think this is a pure Dirac play. I'm sure Dirac will have details on their website soon.
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Post by LuisV on Dec 19, 2017 8:28:43 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Dec 19, 2017 9:58:00 GMT -5
What I meant was that this is something that Dirac is coming up with and has nothing to do with Emotiva. And as I said, there are details on Dirac's web site. Not a mention of Emotiva. Of course this may come in due course if/when Emotiva adopts the new platform. I like the fact that they made it easier to use. One can even use a tablet! |
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Post by geebo on Dec 19, 2017 11:44:13 GMT -5
What I meant was that this is something that Dirac is coming up with and has nothing to do with Emotiva. And as I said, there are details on Dirac's web site. Not a mention of Emotiva. Of course this may come in due course if/when Emotiva adopts the new platform. I like the fact that they made it easier to use. One can even use a tablet! It indeed sounds like a nice upgrade. Whether or not the XMC owners get it remains to be seen. And what if any will be the cost of the upgrade. |
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Post by LuisV on Dec 19, 2017 12:09:54 GMT -5
In my eyes, Emotiva should be looking into the upgrade and when they have the details, provide the community with a statement, because if not, then it goes against their mantra of the XMC-1 and RMC-1 as "future proof" modular and upgradable platforms. They originally said the XMC-1 couldn't be upgraded to Atmos and DTS-X, but the community rallied and they are delivering on their "modular" promise. So I look forward to hearing what Emotiva plans to do with the Dirac upgrade as ". ..the XMC-1 has a clear path to the future so that you can enjoy your investment in superb sound for a long, long time." emotiva.com/product/xmc-1/ |
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Post by foggy1956 on Dec 19, 2017 12:12:06 GMT -5
What I meant was that this is something that Dirac is coming up with and has nothing to do with Emotiva. And as I said, there are details on Dirac's web site. Not a mention of Emotiva. Of course this may come in due course if/when Emotiva adopts the new platform. I like the fact that they made it easier to use. One can even use a tablet! It indeed sounds like a nice upgrade. Whether or not the XMC owners get it remains to be seen. And what if any will be the cost of the upgrade. It would be awesome to hear Emotiva's thoughts on these points? |
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Post by cwt on Dec 20, 2017 5:49:22 GMT -5
In lieu of anything concrete - which leads to speculation admittedly - I wonder if [ as it seems an extensive upgrade] it will be a chipset replacement and not a firmware upgrade.. sending it in. If the XMC1 gets it ; this could also affect the RMC1 timing blowing out if its not a simple firmware upgrade ; Noooo. cant have the flagship without the best . Strikes me as similar to audyssey where say multi-eq being replaced by xt32 meant a new avr or dsp board upgrade.. The new features gives an incentive for Emo to leave it for the XMC2 etc ; that could explain a lot considering whats going on upgrade wise soon enough  |
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Post by fbczar on Dec 20, 2017 7:56:03 GMT -5
In lieu of anything concrete - which leads to speculation admittedly - I wonder if [ as it seems an extensive upgrade] it will be a chipset replacement and not a firmware upgrade.. sending it in. If the XMC1 gets it ; this could also affect the RMC1 timing blowing out if its not a simple firmware upgrade ; Noooo. cant have the flagship without the best . Strikes me as similar to audyssey where say multi-eq being replaced by xt32 meant a new avr or dsp board upgrade.. The new features gives an incentive for Emo to leave it for the XMC2 etc ; that could explain a lot considering whats going on upgrade wise soon enough Whether XMC-1, RMC-1 or XMC-2 moving to a version of Dirac with a 24/192 sample rate is a big deal for those of us with high resolution music files. |
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Post by geebo on Dec 20, 2017 8:06:07 GMT -5
In lieu of anything concrete - which leads to speculation admittedly - I wonder if [ as it seems an extensive upgrade] it will be a chipset replacement and not a firmware upgrade.. sending it in. If the XMC1 gets it ; this could also affect the RMC1 timing blowing out if its not a simple firmware upgrade ; Noooo. cant have the flagship without the best . Strikes me as similar to audyssey where say multi-eq being replaced by xt32 meant a new avr or dsp board upgrade.. The new features gives an incentive for Emo to leave it for the XMC2 etc ; that could explain a lot considering whats going on upgrade wise soon enough Whether XMC-1, RMC-1 or XMC-2 moving to a version of Dirac with a 24/192 sample rate is a big deal for those of us with high resolution music files. I don't think it can do 192 Dirac in it's current state but the Atmos board upgrade might add that capability. |
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Post by fbczar on Dec 20, 2017 8:18:51 GMT -5
Whether XMC-1, RMC-1 or XMC-2 moving to a version of Dirac with a 24/192 sample rate is a big deal for those of us with high resolution music files. I don't think it can do 192 Dirac in it's current state but the Atmos board upgrade might add that capability. Exactly. I understand the new board will offer a higher sample rate than the present 24/48. If the board is the same one that is going to be in the RMC-1 I assume 24/192 is possible, but it could be 24/96. Anyway, a Dirac sample rate upgrade and the ability to play native DSD files directly from a computer is at least as significant to me as the addition of Atmos. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Dec 20, 2017 9:27:02 GMT -5
I don't think it can do 192 Dirac in it's current state but the Atmos board upgrade might add that capability. Exactly. I understand the new board will offer a higher sample rate than the present 24/48. If the board is the same one that is going to be in the RMC-1 I assume 24/192 is possible, but it could be 24/96. Anyway, a Dirac sample rate upgrade and the ability to play native DSD files directly from a computer is at least as significant to me as the addition of Atmos. I am also curious to see if there are any benefits to the new algorithm even without an increase in sample rate! |
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Post by cwt on Dec 20, 2017 11:29:57 GMT -5
Exactly. I understand the new board will offer a higher sample rate than the present 24/48. If the board is the same one that is going to be in the RMC-1 I assume 24/192 is possible, but it could be 24/96. Anyway, a Dirac sample rate upgrade and the ability to play native DSD files directly from a computer is at least as significant to me as the addition of Atmos. Yes it was mentioned that 24/96 was a possibility somewhere here and it was down to dirac that possibility? ; in any case the RMC1 deserves the new algorithm as its the basis for future refinements in the future [ depending on any unison integration ] . The current incarnation is a goner  |
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Post by fbczar on Dec 20, 2017 11:55:01 GMT -5
Exactly. I understand the new board will offer a higher sample rate than the present 24/48. If the board is the same one that is going to be in the RMC-1 I assume 24/192 is possible, but it could be 24/96. Anyway, a Dirac sample rate upgrade and the ability to play native DSD files directly from a computer is at least as significant to me as the addition of Atmos. Yes it was mentioned that 24/96 was a possibility somewhere here and it was down to dirac that possibility? ; in any case the RMC1 deserves the new algorithm as its the basis for future refinements in the future [ depending on any unison integration ] . The current incarnation is a goner From the standpoint of the XMC-1 and RMC-1 it is all about processing power. It would be nice if they could just provide an add on "box" for Dirac that could be upgraded as necessary. Same goes for memory. It would be nice to have a way to toggle between different Dirac settings. |
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Post by millst on Dec 20, 2017 11:58:03 GMT -5
In lieu of anything concrete - which leads to speculation admittedly - I wonder if [ as it seems an extensive upgrade] it will be a chipset replacement and not a firmware upgrade.. sending it in. If the XMC1 gets it ; this could also affect the RMC1 timing blowing out if its not a simple firmware upgrade ; Noooo. cant have the flagship without the best . Strikes me as similar to audyssey where say multi-eq being replaced by xt32 meant a new avr or dsp board upgrade.. The new features gives an incentive for Emo to leave it for the XMC2 etc ; that could explain a lot considering whats going on upgrade wise soon enough I read the opposite. It sounded more like a software change for the measurement software and their servers that calculate the filters. I didn't notice anything discussing a difference in how the filters are processed on the AVR/processor. Assuming that, it wouldn't be a big deal [technically] for it to come to the XMC-1. I doubt we're going to hear anything from Emotiva until after CES. This was just a tease by Dirac to drum up interest in the demo next month. -tm |
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Post by millst on Dec 20, 2017 12:07:39 GMT -5
From the standpoint of the XMC-1 and RMC-1 it is all about processing power. It would be nice if they could just provide an add on "box" for Dirac that could be upgraded as necessary. Same goes for memory. It would be nice to have a way to toggle between different Dirac settings. The XMC-1 already has a separate board for the DSPs, the DAE-77. As for the limitation of a single set of Dirac filters, not sure I've ever heard what the limiting factor is. It might just be software. Or perhaps the flash memory is undersized for that (that's a separate board from the DSP, unfortunately). -tm |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Dec 20, 2017 13:48:27 GMT -5
In lieu of anything concrete - which leads to speculation admittedly - I wonder if [ as it seems an extensive upgrade] it will be a chipset replacement and not a firmware upgrade.. sending it in. If the XMC1 gets it ; this could also affect the RMC1 timing blowing out if its not a simple firmware upgrade ; Noooo. cant have the flagship without the best . Strikes me as similar to audyssey where say multi-eq being replaced by xt32 meant a new avr or dsp board upgrade.. The new features gives an incentive for Emo to leave it for the XMC2 etc ; that could explain a lot considering whats going on upgrade wise soon enough Whether XMC-1, RMC-1 or XMC-2 moving to a version of Dirac with a 24/192 sample rate is a big deal for those of us with high resolution music files. The New Dirac Live software was announced back in April (8 months ago) so I'm pretty sure Emotiva knows about the changes way before that so I'm pretty sure at least the RMC-1 is capable of running the new Dirac Live software. According to Dirac CEO the changes are in the software and current equipments should be able to run the new software without any hardware upgrade. The XMC-1 DSP/DAC runs at 48KHz so no way it can be upgraded to 96KHz or 192KHz without physically changing the DSP/DAC chipset. |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 20, 2017 15:07:25 GMT -5
From the Emofest notes (in the green room) - regarding the RMC-1:
Also, Emotiva was going to be speaking to Dirac about details at AXPONA the week after Emofest. So, by now, Emotiva likely knows more details but hasn't shared - at least that I have seen.
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Post by LuisV on Dec 20, 2017 15:51:25 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Mark! Hopefully once they can share details and or plans, we'll get a better picture of what's to come.
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Post by cwt on Dec 21, 2017 0:02:57 GMT -5
I read the opposite. It sounded more like a software change for the measurement software and their servers that calculate the filters. I didn't notice anything discussing a difference in how the filters are processed on the AVR/processor. Assuming that, it wouldn't be a big deal [technically] for it to come to the XMC-1. I doubt we're going to hear anything from Emotiva until after CES. This was just a tease by Dirac to drum up interest in the demo next month. The part that piqued my speculation was I took that to mean a different filter combine [as pairs] by the XMC1. No expert here and I hope your right as a new firmware would be a lot easier  Just read Enrico justified your take ; that's a relief That's where I read it  |
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