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Post by ejhbay on Dec 28, 2017 1:04:02 GMT -5
I have setup dirac and really like what it does to my speakers but not to pleased with what it's doing to my subwoofer. It lost its airy feeling.. I ran dirac a few different times and more less same results. At times sub suprises me but overall not happy. Is it possible to take the sub out of the equation and run dirac then add it after so dirac doesn't set anything for it? Sub seems to sound better without dirac. I was running an onkyo rz810 before this for a bit and bass was great though it. Also do I set sub octave at 12 or 24? Any help would be apreciated
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Post by geebo on Dec 28, 2017 7:53:52 GMT -5
I have setup dirac and really like what it does to my speakers but not to pleased with what it's doing to my subwoofer. It lost its airy feeling.. I ran dirac a few different times and more less same results. At times sub suprises me but overall not happy. Is it possible to take the sub out of the equation and run dirac then add it after so dirac doesn't set anything for it? Sub seems to sound better without dirac. I was running an onkyo rz810 before this for a bit and bass was great though it. Also do I set sub octave at 12 or 24? Any help would be apreciated Dirac light Xmc-1 California audio labs mca 2500 amp Arcadis AK5 speaker PSA xs30se sub Aprox 20x20 room Htpc source If your running Dirac LE then you might try ansat 's alternate mic calibration files that you can find in the last line of his signature. For the best results get Dirac Full so you can set the target curve to whatever you like. An individually calibrated mic from Cross Spectrum Labs like the UMIK-1 might also be something for you to think about. But you'll also need Dirac Full to use a different mic.
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Post by socketman on Dec 28, 2017 15:00:53 GMT -5
I would definitely try a different mic cal file. There is 2 available, one from Cross Spectrum labs from when i had a EMM-1 calibrated and one from ansat. The files are available in his signature or i can send them to you if you pm me.
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Post by bootman on Dec 28, 2017 16:16:15 GMT -5
Is it possible to take the sub out of the equation and run dirac then add it after so dirac doesn't set anything for it? Sub seems to sound better without dirac. I assume you tried adjusting the sub level after calibration? Dirac gives you a flat response which while technically ideal, many find reduces the bass from what you were used to before calibration.
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Post by avhassel on Dec 28, 2017 23:19:02 GMT -5
Yes tried adjusting the sub level after...
what is everyone setting sub octave at 12 or 24?? and is it possible to run dirac without sub and just add it in after measurements are made to other speakers
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Post by socketman on Dec 29, 2017 0:43:11 GMT -5
Yes tried adjusting the sub level after... what is everyone setting sub octave at 12 or 24?? and is it possible to run dirac without sub and just add it in after measurements are made to other speakers Its my understanding that if you did that , it would just use the settings from the previous run. Really Dirac Full is the best option, you can adjust to your hearts delight.
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Post by geebo on Dec 29, 2017 8:02:35 GMT -5
Yes tried adjusting the sub level after... what is everyone setting sub octave at 12 or 24?? and is it possible to run dirac without sub and just add it in after measurements are made to other speakers Its my understanding that if you did that , it would just use the settings from the previous run. Really Dirac Full is the best option, you can adjust to your hearts delight. +1. And also try one of the alternate cal files for the Emotiva mic.
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Post by bootman on Dec 29, 2017 12:24:44 GMT -5
Yes tried adjusting the sub level after... what is everyone setting sub octave at 12 or 24?? and is it possible to run dirac without sub and just add it in after measurements are made to other speakers Not sure if this works but you can try to remove the sub from speaker setup (or just unplug it and dirac won't see it) then power the sub back up afterwards. But this is just something to try.
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Post by socketman on Dec 29, 2017 14:27:20 GMT -5
Yes tried adjusting the sub level after... what is everyone setting sub octave at 12 or 24?? and is it possible to run dirac without sub and just add it in after measurements are made to other speakers Not sure if this works but you can try to remove the sub from speaker setup (or just unplug it and dirac won't see it) then power the sub back up afterwards. But this is just something to try. I may well be wrong but from what i remember keith saying, Dirac never erases anything it only overwrites. So if he has a previous Dirac correction installed and he makes a run without the sub, the info from the previous run will persist.
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Post by bootman on Dec 29, 2017 15:11:18 GMT -5
Then a full reset of the unit should clear it, no?
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Post by geebo on Dec 29, 2017 15:28:48 GMT -5
Then a full reset of the unit should clear it, no? I don't think so. From what I remember, even a full reset does not clear the Dirac filters.
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 29, 2017 19:24:32 GMT -5
I don’t know 🤔 sooo many problems and threads about Dirac Glad I’ve never needed it.
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Post by bootman on Dec 29, 2017 20:47:08 GMT -5
I don’t know 🤔 sooo many problems and threads about Dirac Glad I’ve never needed it. Bill I never had an issue with it. Should I have started a short thread saying "I ran Dirac and had no issues"? Would that have given you a warm and fuzzy feeling?
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Post by socketman on Dec 29, 2017 21:38:43 GMT -5
Then a full reset of the unit should clear it, no? I don't think so. From what I remember, even a full reset does not clear the Dirac filters. You recall is the same as mine, they are persistent little b####trds. Never had any trouble with Dirac, but like anything experimentation is required in the search for the holy grail of audio sound.
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Post by avhassel on Dec 29, 2017 23:01:46 GMT -5
I will try alternate cal file. but anyone ? 12 or 24 sub octave setting? ?
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Post by socketman on Dec 30, 2017 1:08:48 GMT -5
I suggest you try both and see how your sub performs and how well it interfaces with you main speakers. I use 24 for reasons that apply to my setup and wont apply to yours. I also use REW to analyze my LFE performance.
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Post by foggy1956 on Dec 30, 2017 9:19:24 GMT -5
I will try alternate cal file. but anyone ? 12 or 24 sub octave setting? ? As socketman said, the best way to determine 12 vs 24 is with REW and looking for your smoothest crossover.
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Post by geebo on Dec 30, 2017 10:03:07 GMT -5
As mentioned above you'll have to try it in your system to see what works best. The is no wrong or right here. I use 12 and socketman uses 24. And it's easy to switch back and forth without messing anything up.
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 30, 2017 10:06:07 GMT -5
I don’t know 🤔 sooo many problems and threads about Dirac Glad I’ve never needed it. Bill I never had an issue with it. Should I have started a short thread saying "I ran Dirac and had no issues"? Would that have given you a warm and fuzzy feeling? It might 🤣
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Post by theswede on Dec 30, 2017 10:44:59 GMT -5
Yes tried adjusting the sub level after... what is everyone setting sub octave at 12 or 24?? and is it possible to run dirac without sub and just add it in after measurements are made to other speakers If your issue is that same as mine adjusting the sub levels does nothing, I have 2 really large subs and from what I have been able to conclude Dirac adjust the impulse response way off on one of them so in effect they are working against each other. In fairness my old Onkyo Audessey had the same problem but with the Onkyo I could run Audessey without the subs and then add them and adjust level and distance manually which worked very well. You can run dirac without the subs, load the settings and then add the subs manually however you will not be able to adjust distance so they won't be as well integrated as they could be. I am not sure the old bass settings stay if you do a new measurement/upload without the subs enabled but I did not do a lot of testing as it was not good enough for me. If you try this you will find that Dirac will crash unless it sees the same speaker config and then everything needs to be restarted..... If your issue is simlar to mine you can try move the sweetspot and play with the measuring locations, in my case moving the sweetspot one meter into the room got me the bass back big time. I still had to play with the curves and levels as has been mentioned to get my very good "old" bass back. I am still not happy as the overall timing is slightly off but its a lot better. A simple fix would be for Emotiva to let us do the subs manually like on the Onkyo but I am not sure they take this issue seriously.
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