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Post by mgbpuff on Jan 30, 2018 9:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 30, 2018 9:57:48 GMT -5
So on the XSP-1 thought, does it have to be physically turned on to have the HT bypass work? Or does it do pass through while tuned off (or does it have a standby mode?)? I know there are receivers out there that do the pass through (like HDMI from a cable box) while in standby mode so you needn't turn them on just to watch TV.Secondarily, does it "remember" that you have the HT bypass turned on each time you crank it up? Or do you have to turn it on, then hit the HT button each time? The XSP-1 has to be turned on to HY bypass but that's not a big deal as I have it triggered by the UMC-200 and it's on HT Bypass by default. If I want to listen to stereo music then I turn on the XSP-1 which then triggers the XPA-1L's and the sub woofer amp (ie; all that I need for stereo 2.1 music). Then I select the relevant source, turntable, ERC-3 etc. Before I turn off the XSP-1 I switch it back to my default HT Bypass. Simple. Cheers Gary Well with those triggers connected that way it sounds like you pretty much have the inconveniences covered. That certainly helps raise it up as an option for me. Thanks. |
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Post by DrewM on Jan 30, 2018 14:53:06 GMT -5
I use a Harmony remote/hub, so it turns on the XMC and the XSP and sets the appropriate inputs/bypass on both, quick and easy. I may set the XSP to use a trigger as well, just to eliminate one potential IR issue, but the Emotiva stuff is pretty good when it comes to IR...plus both have the ability to use 'wired' IR (which would eliminate any issues with IR).
But the way it's setup now just works 99.99% of the time, so the wife doesn't have an issue, and when I want to listen to 2 channel, I just switch to whatever input on the XSP and enjoy my listening.
Call/email and ask about B-stock, you can save a little on an XSP that way.
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Post by kybourbon on Feb 2, 2018 21:03:02 GMT -5
If anyone is interested in unloading their gently used xmc-1 please let me know. Thanks.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 5, 2018 16:21:49 GMT -5
POST RESERVED FOR FACTS AS WE GET THEM.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Feb 6, 2018 12:54:25 GMT -5
As a "standard" Dolby Atmos 7.2.4 solution this gets my vote. I will trade in my current XMC-1 for this, to be used in my living room.
I am in Belgium EU, hence I don't think it's a good economic practice to send my XMC-1 to the USA for the Atmos upgrade.
BTW, this is a new device so why it keeps the XMC-1 name is beyond me. It's not a 911 after all.
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Post by nnay07 on Feb 7, 2018 19:05:04 GMT -5
I am coming a bit late on the 7.1 inputs debate, but not everything is about comparing DAC from Oppo and XMC: how else could I connect my high end Marantz SACD multi channel player (no HDMI here)? If someone has a solution, great! If not, I am afraid I will have to pass and look for a different product.
Moreover, the XMC may have better DACs than my high end CD player, but even though I am sure that I will prefer the rich sound from its tubes, that is only available on the analogue outputs. An analogue pass through is a must.
I do not want my processor to be limited to my HC digital sources but also to my HIFI equipments.
Isnt a processor supposed to be aimed at both sound and video, HC and HIFI, analogue and digital?
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 7, 2018 23:08:06 GMT -5
I am coming a bit late on the 7.1 inputs debate, but not everything is about comparing DAC from Oppo and XMC: how else could I connect my high end Marantz SACD multi channel player (no HDMI here)? If someone has a solution, great! If not, I am afraid I will have to pass and look for a different product. My understanding is that a digital (coax or toslink) connection will pass all of the multi channel digital information for SACD listening ie; SACD music doesn't require more bandwidth than movies via Dolby Digital 5.1. There are stereo analogue inputs, or are we talking about a high end SACD player that has 7.1 outputs using tube pre amplification? Not in my house, the XSP-1 handles the stereo 2.1 music via analogue inputs and the UMC-200 handles multi channel digital inputs. Cheers Gary |
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Post by cwt on Feb 8, 2018 4:54:26 GMT -5
I am coming a bit late on the 7.1 inputs debate, but not everything is about comparing DAC from Oppo and XMC: how else could I connect my high end Marantz SACD multi channel player (no HDMI here)? If someone has a solution, great! If not, I am afraid I will have to pass and look for a different product. Moreover, the XMC may have better DACs than my high end CD player, but even though I am sure that I will prefer the rich sound from its tubes, that is only available on the analogue outputs. An analogue pass through is a must. Any reason you don't consider the XMC1 gen2 instead nnay ? its still available for those few who need 7.1 multi analogs .. Theres no indeterminate time with it if you need a pre pro now  |
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Post by nnay07 on Feb 8, 2018 6:32:22 GMT -5
I am coming a bit late on the 7.1 inputs debate, but not everything is about comparing DAC from Oppo and XMC: how else could I connect my high end Marantz SACD multi channel player (no HDMI here)? If someone has a solution, great! If not, I am afraid I will have to pass and look for a different product. Moreover, the XMC may have better DACs than my high end CD player, but even though I am sure that I will prefer the rich sound from its tubes, that is only available on the analogue outputs. An analogue pass through is a must. Any reason you don't consider the XMC1 gen2 instead nnay ? its still available for those few who need 7.1 multi analogs .. Theres no indeterminate time with it if you need a pre pro now 2 things actually: - not sure about the “futurproofability” of gen2 now that gen3 is about to be launched - read/heard that the center speaker management was not top notch |
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Post by cwt on Feb 8, 2018 6:58:07 GMT -5
Any reason you don't consider the XMC1 gen2 instead nnay ? its still available for those few who need 7.1 multi analogs .. Theres no indeterminate time with it if you need a pre pro now 2 things actually: - not sure about the “futurproofability” of gen2 now that gen3 is about to be launched - read/heard that the center speaker management was not top notch Understandable . Comes down to what you want in the future ; happy with hdmi2.0b? ;I have no need to rewire to handle more bandwidth ' we will be using 4k for a long time to come and we already have the object surround codecs .. HDMI 2.1 is well down the track.. 2. Have read many user reviews of the XMC1 and have never struck that . Most comment how good dialogue is |
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Post by nnay07 on Feb 8, 2018 7:13:04 GMT -5
I am coming a bit late on the 7.1 inputs debate, but not everything is about comparing DAC from Oppo and XMC: how else could I connect my high end Marantz SACD multi channel player (no HDMI here)? If someone has a solution, great! If not, I am afraid I will have to pass and look for a different product. My understanding is that a digital (coax or toslink) connection will pass all of the multi channel digital information for SACD listening ie; SACD music doesn't require more bandwidth than movies via Dolby Digital 5.1. There are stereo analogue inputs, or are we talking about a high end SACD player that has 7.1 outputs using tube pre amplification? Not in my house, the XSP-1 handles the stereo 2.1 music via analogue inputs and the UMC-200 handles multi channel digital inputs. Cheers Gary Thanks Gary. Undortunately, coax or toslink cannot transport à multichannel SACD flow. Only Denon Link (proprietary) and HDMI (after DSD conversion with losses) can do so. And my player is not equipped with any of those. For my CD player (2 channels), indeed we fortunately still have a few analogue inputs. My point, in this case, was more to argue against the tendency (and some opinions) that analogue should fully disappear. |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 8, 2018 9:08:11 GMT -5
- not sure about the “futurproofability” of gen2 now that gen3 is about to be launched Well there is zero known about the "futurproofability" of gen3 so you'll be in the same boat later. Not to mention with processors, there is no such thing as future proof, but like the white whale, all these Ahabs keep chasing it. |
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Post by richb on Feb 8, 2018 9:29:01 GMT -5
I am coming a bit late on the 7.1 inputs debate, but not everything is about comparing DAC from Oppo and XMC: how else could I connect my high end Marantz SACD multi channel player (no HDMI here)? If someone has a solution, great! If not, I am afraid I will have to pass and look for a different product. If you have no HDMI on the player you have two choices: 1) Buy a player that support HDMI out SACD (Oppo's do) 2) Buy a different processor COAX and Optical connections do not have copy protection so cannot pass the SACD stream. They Optical or COAX digital connection may have the bandwidth for 2-channel LPCM but not for multi-channel. - Rich |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 8, 2018 10:59:31 GMT -5
- not sure about the “futurproofability” of gen2 now that gen3 is about to be launched Well there is zero known about the "futurproofability" of gen3 so you'll be in the same boat later. Not to mention with processors, there is no such thing as future proof, but like the white whale, all these Ahabs keep chasing it. I agree. The future proof nonsense just needs to stop. Ray was part of the future proof vision at Theta and now here at Emotiva. The double edged sword is that he designs and develops outstanding products but the whole future proof promises would be better served if they just used some disclaimers. "Where feasible, we have designed some expansion and have potential upgradable components, but our pre-pros are limited to the processors that we have implemented. Should future formats exceed our processing requirements, that's where the life cycle of this product will end and another one will begin" I really liked their UFL concept much better. I think Big Dan had it right the first time on this. And they would probably sell more pre-pros . He overcompensated with the XMC-1 gen2 upgradable to Atmos but he did the right thing because someone internally must have convinced him that the XMC-1 will be "future proof" and he made those bold claims on video. From what I'm reading, they are essentially ripping out the old processors and putting in new ones to handle the processing power required for Atmos. |
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Post by richb on Feb 8, 2018 11:14:34 GMT -5
Well there is zero known about the "futurproofability" of gen3 so you'll be in the same boat later. Not to mention with processors, there is no such thing as future proof, but like the white whale, all these Ahabs keep chasing it. I agree. The future proof nonsense just needs to stop. Ray was part of the future proof vision at Theta and now here at Emotiva. The double edged sword is that he designs and develops outstanding products but the whole future proof promises would be better served if they just used some disclaimers. "Where feasible, we have designed some expansion and have potential upgradable components, but our pre-pros are limited to the processors that we have implemented. Should future formats exceed our processing requirements, that's where the life cycle of this product will end and another one will begin" I really liked their UFL concept much better. I think Big Dan had it right the first time on this. And they would probably sell more pre-pros . He overcompensated with the XMC-1 gen2 upgradable to Atmos but he did the right thing because someone internally must have convinced him that the XMC-1 will be "future proof" and he made those bold claims on video. From what I'm reading, they are essentially ripping out the old processors and putting in new ones to handle the processing power required for Atmos. It isn't really future proofing as much as it is present-day proofing. By the time these products are released, new HDMI features are shipping by competitors and potential customers are rightly concerned. Customers want to buy a processor that they can live with for years. The HDMI debacle is not ending any time soon so Emotiva designs are modular and the decision to offer options or new generations is primarily a business decision. I don't get the concept naming the XMC-1 Gen3. Amps differ implementation but no in connectivity features, processors are very different. The XMC-1 Gen2 and Gen3 are different products, including connectivity and will be sold simultaneously. Keeping the name the same confuses the customer and the marketing message. IMO, Emotiva should re-think this decision and offer the XMC-1 Gen 2 and XMC-2 Gen 3 (in keeping with the Gen concept). It is going to make the "Add to Cart" page a lot less confusing and will greatly reduce the typing necessary on forums  - Rich |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Feb 8, 2018 11:52:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to say that while I'm debating between the RMC-1 and the "new XMC-1, Gen3", I think that the name "XMC-1, gen3" is a horrible product name. The Amplifiers have a problem as well, but there it's it's a more difficult problem because the "-{n}" is actually being used to indicate the number of channels. Maybe if they dropped the "-1" entirely from the XMC and RMC that would help. That "-1" would seem to imply that there'll be a "-2", etc.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 8, 2018 12:10:03 GMT -5
I don't get the concept naming the XMC-1 Gen3. Amps differ implementation but no in connectivity features, processors are very different. The XMC-1 Gen2 and Gen3 are different products, including connectivity and will be sold simultaneously. Keeping the name the same confuses the customer and the marketing message. IMO, Emotiva should re-think this decision and offer the XMC-1 Gen 2 and XMC-2 Gen 3 (in keeping with the Gen concept). It is going to make the "Add to Cart" page a lot less confusing and will greatly reduce the typing necessary on forums - Rich +1. Emotiva's product nomenclature has always had some serious issues if you ask me. But that's not to say they are the only ones, or even the worst. Some of those numbers / names the big dogs have for their products are just stupid. Compared to them Emotiva's system is great. But I certainly think Emotiva's system could be improved. I personally think the whole "GEN #" thing was a mistake right from the beginning, but that ship has sailed and now it's kind of stuck. But do we really know this? I don't think we do. The XMC-1 Gen 3 could just as easily be replacing the XMC-1 Gen 2. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have used the name XMC-2? I'm thinking that while they will upgrade the older existing XMC-1 Gen 2s for HDMI and Atmos, I think the units "for sale" will go away quickly and only the XMC-1 Gen 3 will remain. Just speculating at this point, but then again so were you I think. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 8, 2018 13:03:55 GMT -5
When the gen3 XMC-1 comes out, it should replace the gen2. It’s obvious to me why they named it gen3 vs naming it XMC-2 which was the original thought.
I personally couldn’t care less how they name things - whether it’s confusing or not, it’s not something that I care about. Not even a little 😊.
I just want them to hurry up with the RMC-1 so the XMC-1 gen3 will be released soon thereafter.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 8, 2018 13:38:48 GMT -5
When the gen3 XMC-1 comes out, it should replace the gen2. It’s obvious to me why they named it gen3 vs naming it XMC-2 which was the original thought. Exactly my thoughts. |
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