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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 8, 2018 17:36:03 GMT -5
Naming conventions can be a bit of mine field, personally I think a different spec board inside the same case could be considered a "generation". But changing board/s, moving the controls, changing the display etc that's more than a generational change. To me that's a new model and hence XMC-2 seems more appropriate.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 8, 2018 17:48:34 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, they could call it "Lonnie's Nose Hair" and I'd buy it if it met my needs. I really don't care about names and I end up learning what name means which product. And, for those who laugh at my suggested name, head over to the Schiit website and read some of those names with a straight face.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 8, 2018 18:31:47 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, they could call it "Lonnie's Nose Hair" and I'd buy it if it met my needs. I really don't care about names and I end up learning what name means which product. And, for those who laugh at my suggested name, head over to the Schiit website and read some of those names with a straight face. Mark It's not the original Lonnie's Nose Hair name that's the issue. It's Lonny's Noze Hare 2 Gen 6 Firmware 4.7-7 that's the problem. You and I can figure it out because we are here everyday. But for the new Emotiva buyers and casual observers, it's confusing. I'm not sure why that's so hard for people to understand. |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 8, 2018 19:21:18 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, they could call it "Lonnie's Nose Hair" and I'd buy it if it met my needs. I really don't care about names and I end up learning what name means which product. And, for those who laugh at my suggested name, head over to the Schiit website and read some of those names with a straight face. Mark It's not the original Lonnie's Nose Hair name that's the issue. It's Lonny's Noze Hare 2 Gen 6 Firmware 4.7-7 that's the problem. You and I can figure it out because we are here everyday. But for the new Emotiva buyers and casual observers, it's confusing. I'm not sure why that's so hard for people to understand. Seems that time here is not a great correlating variable with level of confusion about a product. I contend that no matter what naming scheme were used - some folks (new to or experienced with Emotiva) would get confused. (And, some of the newer folks are truly new to AV stuff and don't know if they need a DAC or a preamp or a prepro or an amp. Not a slight on them - just where they are on their learning curve.) Mark |
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Post by cwt on Feb 8, 2018 23:03:52 GMT -5
As Dan has said [to paraphrase] ; if the XMC1 gen 2 continues to sell it will continue . For this reason and to separate it from its wholly improved counterpart its logical to give it a new name XMC-2 ; if for no other reason to show its the new improved version as other ce's do [ eg cary only changed the dacs and added some extra hdmi ports and made the 11 into a cary 12 ;not a lot] . Otherwise people start asking what happened to the XMC1 GEN 1 maybe  awkward . Its sufficient to show its heritage as part of the X series line  Other thought on the XMC1 gen2 ; if its discontinued people start complaining about statements like not appreciating all components have a shelf life .. |
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Post by richb on Feb 9, 2018 9:24:11 GMT -5
As Dan has said [to paraphrase] ; if the XMC1 gen 2 continues to sell it will continue . For this reason and to separate it from its wholly improved counterpart its logical to give it a new name XMC-2 ; if for no other reason to show its the new improved version as other ce's do [ eg cary only changed the dacs and added some extra hdmi ports and made the 11 into a cary 12 ;not a lot] . Otherwise people start asking what happened to the XMC1 GEN 1 maybe awkward . Its sufficient to show its heritage as part of the X series line Other thought on the XMC1 gen2 ; if its discontinued people start complaining about statements like not appreciating all components have a shelf life .. Agreed. IMO, the Gen number indicates that a product belongs to a design series, internally and aesthetically. If the desire is to showcase this product, than it is better to call it an XMC-2 Gen 3. If it is merely a continuation, then stick with XMC-1. There seems to be zero advantage to that. I once asked my boss if we should bump the version of a product, he ask me "Are numbers expensive?". We bumped the version - Rich |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 9, 2018 9:47:10 GMT -5
It's not the original Lonnie's Nose Hair name that's the issue. It's Lonny's Noze Hare 2 Gen 6 Firmware 4.7-7 that's the problem. You and I can figure it out because we are here everyday. But for the new Emotiva buyers and casual observers, it's confusing. I'm not sure why that's so hard for people to understand. Seems that time here is not a great correlating variable with level of confusion about a product. I contend that no matter what naming scheme were used - some folks (new to or experienced with Emotiva) would get confused. (And, some of the newer folks are truly new to AV stuff and don't know if they need a DAC or a preamp or a prepro or an amp. Not a slight on them - just where they are on their learning curve.) Mark The simple fact is their naming system is not as simple and tight as it could be. Is it the worst? Nope. Could it be better? Yes, and easily so. A perfect example is this new XMC-1 Gen 3. Stupid. It's not even close to the old unit, it's completely new. It should absolutely be called the XMC-2. Forget the Gen crap and just make it 2. And when it gets replaced call it the XMC-3, then XMC-4 and so on. If they want to build a unit between the XMC and the RMC, then call it something else, like the ZMC or what ever. Where they are doing it correctly is on the DC-1. The new unit is going to be called the DC-2. Boom! Plain and simple. ERC-1, ERC-2, ERC-3. Good. Use this everywhere and drop the Gen stuff. On the XPA amps, they went wrong in the very beginning. The first amps should have been called XPA1-1, XPA1-2, XPA1-5 etc. The Gen 2s should have been the XPA2-5 etc. These new ones could have / should have been called XPA3-5, XPA3-2-5s, XPA3-3D etc. Our discussing it here isn't going to change anything though, so we are basically wasting our breath. I don't think it's all such a big thing as to be called a "deal breaker" or anything like that. But I do find it amazing how it seems to follow the same lines of blue kool aid folks vs the poo-bouys. It's like Democrats vs Republicans. Neither side seems to "get" the other. |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 9, 2018 10:32:06 GMT -5
We've had this discussion before and I agree now, just as I did then, that the "generation" moniker (in the way that Emotiva uses it) only makes sense for their amps (product line > number of channels > design generation).
Their line of CD players, for example, has been named ERC-1, 2 and 3. Their non "Stealth" DACs have been XDA-1 and 2. Their previous processors have been UMC-1 and UMC-2(00).
So, yes, it does become confusing when you now have XMC-1 "Gen2" and "Gen3" when neither are the same (inside or out) and "Gen1" never saw the light of day.
Personally, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other as it's just a name, but it does make more sense to either drop the "generation" designation and continue with a simple XMC-1, 2, 3 naming convention or just drop the number and call it "XMC Gen2", "XMC Gen3" and so on.
Now, just as it was then, just my $.02...
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Post by alexreusch on Feb 12, 2018 10:26:27 GMT -5
Is there a GA date announced for XMC-1 Gen3?
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Post by Hair Nick on Feb 12, 2018 12:09:15 GMT -5
 Me reading this thread. |
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Post by leftycrusher9 on Feb 12, 2018 19:19:04 GMT -5
Me reading this thread. LOL, spot on Nick |
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Post by knecht on Feb 12, 2018 19:56:49 GMT -5
Is there a GA date announced for XMC-1 Gen3? In the CES thread they stated no dates have been announced, unless I missed something more recent. |
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Post by mick on Feb 12, 2018 20:06:21 GMT -5
'The simple fact is their naming system is not as simple and tight as it could be. Is it the worst? Nope. Could it be better? Yes, and easily so. A perfect example is this new XMC-1 Gen 3. Stupid. It's not even close to the old unit, it's completely new. It should absolutely be called the XMC-2. Forget the Gen crap and just make it 2. And when it gets replaced call it the XMC-3, then XMC-4 and so on. If they want to build a unit between the XMC and the RMC, then call it something else, like the ZMC or what ever."
I couldn't agree more Bonzo, I'm new to this game and i'm completely lost especially with the new boards in the XMC-1
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 12, 2018 20:18:42 GMT -5
wait what? why does this matter shouldn't it be up to the company what they name there products? or was there a contest to name something and you get a booby prize for being the wining name- er  |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 12, 2018 21:35:19 GMT -5
wait what? why does this matter shouldn't it be up to the company what they name there products? or was there a contest to name something and you get a booby prize for being the wining name- er The argument is lost sales due to confusion, or bad customer experience buying/returning/struggling with figuring out the right product. Whether true or not, unknown/unprovable either way, hence why it keeps coming up; particularly when new Lounge material is low. |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 12, 2018 21:45:27 GMT -5
A guy named Billy once wrote "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
The same guy also wrote something about someone "methinks (the lady) doth protest too much" (which is often quoted with "thou" replacing "the lady)
"Just sayin..." LOL!
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 12, 2018 22:13:30 GMT -5
wait what? why does this matter shouldn't it be up to the company what they name there products? or was there a contest to name something and you get a booby prize for being the wining name- er The argument is lost sales due to confusion, or bad customer experience buying/returning/struggling with figuring out the right product. Whether true or not, unknown/unprovable either way, hence why it keeps coming up; particularly when new Lounge material is low. sorry I was being sarcastic but I do see your point, I still see that it works for Emotiva thou and I've seen far worse name/logos on some other audio/video company's |
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Post by mick on Feb 13, 2018 3:43:30 GMT -5
What's the difference between XMC 1,2,and 3
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Post by AudioHTIT on Feb 13, 2018 4:06:31 GMT -5
What's the difference between XMC 1,2,and 3 There are no XMC-2 or 3, only an XMC-1 Gen 2, and (hopefully) soon an XMC-1 Gen 3. You’ll have to read the thread for the differences. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Feb 16, 2018 20:27:58 GMT -5
The XMC-1 is now showing "SOLD OUT" status. Does that mean that the XMC-1 Gen 3 is replacing it very soon or just Emotiva ran out of XMC-1 Gen 2 inventory?
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awkward . Its sufficient to show its heritage as part of the X series line 
Other thought on the XMC1 gen2 ; if its discontinued people start complaining about statements like 
