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Post by kybourbon on Jan 31, 2018 21:16:45 GMT -5
Does no one like my HDMI splitter idea? I think that's the perfect solution for him. Perfectly reasonable suggestion, as are those of many others. Not sure the OP is looking for such things, though. He seems set on trying to find a way to modify his XMC. If it were me, I'd spend my time in other ways. Mark I have this one. Works great. $17. www.amazon.com/HD-102-Powered-Splitter-Certified-Support/dp/B005HXFARS
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Post by millst on Feb 1, 2018 11:19:27 GMT -5
This whole green marketing fever has gotten people all worked up. I assume that at least half the people I see freaking out over 10-20 watts have a bunch of other areas where their home is wasting tons of power. Floodlights left on all night, tons of air leaks that could be fixed with a $4 tube of caulk, etc. The other half probably drive a huge gas-guzzling SUV 50 miles to work by themselves every day. -tm
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Post by garbulky on Feb 1, 2018 11:45:41 GMT -5
Now if the boot up time is at the beginning of the day that's the issue, you can use this $15 smart plug www.amazon.com/Socket-Outlet-Compatible-Google-Control/dp/B06XZ3J66L/And if you wanted a $30 Echo dot (when on sale) To do scheduling. So in the morning the XMC-1 will turn itself on in to high power standby mode - for say 5 minutes before you wake up. When you go to bed, you can say "Alexa turn off the processor" and it will turn it off completely. You can also turn it off and on with your voice at any time. The only thing you have to see is if the XMC-1 will go in to high power standby mode when it is connected to power. I think it should.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 1, 2018 12:08:07 GMT -5
When the XMC-1 is in "high-power standby" most of the unit remains on - with the main exception being the front panel and the display. If you want to be picky, note that "High-power Standby" and "Low-power Standby" are simply descriptive terms we use. The official terms are "Standby: Lowest Power" and "Standby: Video Remains On". (In order to continue to pass video, the video switches must remain powered, which means that the main power supply must remain on.) However, you may feel free to refer to the two modes as "Standby" and "Display and Controls Disabled" if you prefer. Also feel free to think of it like the screensaver on your computer. I would also note that, even at full power, the XMC-1 consumes about half as much electricity as a single pre-LED-bulb-era porch light. Well I fully agree with the OP. Boot time of around 35 seconds is rather long and it would be great if this could be reduced (maybe the new main board could address this?). However claiming there is a stand-by option with consumes 30 watts continously i ridiculus for an AVR. When I'm going to replace my XMC-1 (hopefully not soon) one of my evaluation criteria will be or a low power stand-by option (like <4 watts) or a relatively fast boot time (<15 seconds) after full power down. .
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Post by rogersch on Feb 5, 2018 15:35:00 GMT -5
aleerogersch threw out 30 watts consumption on standby mode, but the Emotiva website says: It seems that leaving it in standby mode is quite negligible in power consumption. And, if you think that's too much 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, then wake up before your wife and child and turn the unit from off to standby. Then when the kiddo who wants to watch his TV show goes to bed, turn it off. If that's not good enough - then go find something else that meets your needs. Mark Well Mark I presume that Standby of 0.5 watts equals to "Standby: Lowest Power" which I'm using and requires the longer boot time when you switch on the unit. The "Standby: Video Remains On" is fact only the display is switched of and the rest of the unit is switched on so it will be more in the range of 30 to 35 watts. On a yearly energy consumption that is 262 Kilo watts which translates in the Netherlands around >50 euro's to be added to the energy bill.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 5, 2018 16:17:24 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, I measured how long it actually took my XMC-1 to boot (your results may very depending on your configuration); it took 40 seconds. So, assuming you turned your XMC-1 on once a day, every day, the longer boot time required with low-power standby would "cost" you about 240 minutes a year in extra wait time. (Whether that counts as extra wait would, of course, depend on whether you're waiting for other things anyway, for example waiting for a projector to warm up.) However, personally, I consider 240 minutes of my time (4 hours) to be worth more than 50 Euros..... which makes high-power standby a bargain. Of course, since you may not agree, we give you the option of doing it the other way if you like. alee rogersch threw out 30 watts consumption on standby mode, but the Emotiva website says: It seems that leaving it in standby mode is quite negligible in power consumption. And, if you think that's too much 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, then wake up before your wife and child and turn the unit from off to standby. Then when the kiddo who wants to watch his TV show goes to bed, turn it off. If that's not good enough - then go find something else that meets your needs. Mark Well Mark I presume that Standby of 0.5 watts equals to "Standby: Lowest Power" which I'm using and requires the longer boot time when you switch on the unit. The "Standby: Video Remains On" is fact only the display is switched of and the rest of the unit is switched on so it will be more in the range of 30 to 35 watts. On a yearly energy consumption that is 262 Kilo watts which translates in the Netherlands around >50 euro's to be added to the energy bill.
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Post by stiehl11 on Feb 5, 2018 16:18:26 GMT -5
aleerogersch threw out 30 watts consumption on standby mode, but the Emotiva website says: It seems that leaving it in standby mode is quite negligible in power consumption. And, if you think that's too much 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, then wake up before your wife and child and turn the unit from off to standby. Then when the kiddo who wants to watch his TV show goes to bed, turn it off. If that's not good enough - then go find something else that meets your needs. Mark Well Mark I presume that Standby of 0.5 watts equals to "Standby: Lowest Power" which I'm using and requires the longer boot time when you switch on the unit. The "Standby: Video Remains On" is fact only the display is switched of and the rest of the unit is switched on so it will be more in the range of 30 to 35 watts. On a yearly energy consumption that is 262 Kilo watts which translates in the Netherlands around >50 euro's to be added to the energy bill. Cost me about $1.88 USD a month for the same amount. By way of comparison, my pool takes over $20 a month just for the pump and filter. I'm not in it every day but I would know it if I didn't run it 24/7, especially during the hot months.
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Post by panchakshari on Feb 21, 2018 12:39:56 GMT -5
Just now I noticed that.. For My XMC-1, centre channel sound also delivering equally from both fronts.. anyone can suggest me to rectify.. Also tried resetting, restore settings also..
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 12:51:54 GMT -5
I've had a few slow boot AVR's (30 seconds is lightning fast in comparison) and I just learnt to change my routine. What I used to do was come home from work, change out of my work clothes, poor a drink, get myself comfortable in the lounge, reach for the remote to turn everything on and then sit their complaining while I waited for them to boot up. In frustration took a few AVR's back (BD players too), tried a couple of different brands etc. in the end I worked out that I was the problem. I simply changed my routine to turning on the processor as soon as I walked in the door, let the triggers daisy chain the rest of the gear and then went about changing clothes, drink, lounge, etc. By the time I was ready to watch/listen, everything was up and running and ready to go. The bonus was the gear was a little, or a lot depending on what I did, warmed up so I wasn't listening via stone cold gear (some people claim that makes a difference). Like almost everything in life, I adapted to my surroundings and didn't stress over things that I had no influence over. Cheers Gary Sounds logical to me. It probably took the OP longer to post than the XMC-1 took to warm up.
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 13:00:00 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh.... the benefits of servers and playlists.... Not nearly as fun as people walking to the wall and picking stuff out to play. And it can be in advance or on the fly or what ever. For me, servers, playlists and the likes of Pandora are for back ground music. Different Strokes for Different Folks............... Keep on with what works for You!
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 13:04:17 GMT -5
So, the XMC-1 takes 30 seconds to boot from fully off. I don't like leaving it on standby, since it would still pulling down 30W, which is *crazy* for a standby device. My question is: This thing is basically a computer, right? What's holding up the boot time? Is it the processor? Is it a system memory bottleneck? In other words, what do I have to do in order to get this thing to boot faster? Wow! Are you married? What do you do when your wife tells you she will be ready in 5 minutes....You must have a complete meltdown.................... Let me know how that works for you....................
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 13:05:50 GMT -5
Well there is one downside. When your wife does the "hit the wrong button on the remote routine," a very too common occurrence at my house, and the entire thing shuts down right in the middle of some TV show or movie, the restart wait can be really frustrating when all else in the system kicks back in faster. But, still not that big of deal. Certainly not like having a super slow loading CD player. When you have friends over and are playing D.J., it can be seriously annoying when playing one song here and one song there from multiple CD's and it takes 30 seconds just to unload and load before the next song plays. Easy answer.........hide the remote (lol)
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 13:09:58 GMT -5
Yes, yes, 30 seconds isn’t a big deal. But in the era of instant on PCs and other electronics, with all due respect, this just seems like an issue that doesn’t have to exist. It’s not 1980. I’m not waiting for my IBM XT to boot up and do checksums on 128 kB of ram. It’s 2018. I have other items which have *longer* bootups in my audio chain, such as my ARC Ref 6 tube preamp. There the delay is caused literally by parts warming up. I can live with that. 30 seconds for what can’t be more than a raspberry pi to boot up makes me curious. But I see that I’ll just have to figure things out myself. That’s not disappointing...I've enjoy a good puzzle. So, I’ll report back when I have some more data on the bootup timeline and potential lines of attack. If “this is fast enough” was really “fast enough”, I’d still be using that 30 year old XT. There’s always faster, and if little tweaks like processors, RAM or OS loading can help, that doesn’t scare me. Ouch! You are comparing the boot time of a $50 Raspberry Pi to a $2000 processor..............That's seems silly to me, but its your issue and not mine. Best of luck with your puzzle.........................................
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 13:19:52 GMT -5
I'm going through it now. But let's be honest, and not make the XMC-1 to be a complex supercomputer with 1000s of interconnected parts. The "Linux processor" is a CPU. The DSPs are no different from any variety of IO chips on a motherboard or peripheral card (video, networking, etc.) in your PC and I'm betting they don't have a separate boot procedure. Demystify the system and it is merely a *specialized computer*. As such, the delay in boot time is due to either the BIOS or in loading the Linux kernel. If it's the BIOS, there's not much that can be done. But if it's the Linux kernel, then it's coming down to the processor (can it be replaced?), system memory, or the mounted space. I've got my XMC-1 in the office and I'll get access to the boot process soon. Yes, yes. How dare I complain about such an annoying thing such as boot times! But in my house, I have a wife and children who want to watch Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood. And waiting 45 seconds for the XMC-1 to boot (it's not 30 seconds, sorry, I timed it last night, it's closer to 45 seconds to where it can accept any input) and switch inputs (from my Xbox/bluray drive to the Tivo) drives the wife nuts...especially since input changes can't be done until after the system is on. You can take shots at such a "trivial" concern, but for some of us out here, practical concerns emerge from long boot up times. But as I said, I'll break it down and get folks the data. There are others who have indicated some interest in speeding up the boot process. And if you want to change the LEDs, that's a piece of cake if you have a soldering iron. Sounds like your entire family has NO patience...............The horror of waiting 45 seconds...............Sounds silly to me to go "nuts" (your words not mine) for waiting 45 seconds? What happens if you are 10 minutes late coming home from work?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Feb 21, 2018 13:26:27 GMT -5
When the XMC-1 is in "high-power standby" most of the unit remains on - with the main exception being the front panel and the display. If you want to be picky, note that "High-power Standby" and "Low-power Standby" are simply descriptive terms we use. The official terms are "Standby: Lowest Power" and "Standby: Video Remains On". (In order to continue to pass video, the video switches must remain powered, which means that the main power supply must remain on.) ... I'm curious about the Low- versus High-Power standby with respect to activities. In my case, my most frequent use of my DMC-1 is to turn it on for listening to music. Pretty much once a day. I much less frequently turn it one for watching a movie — maybe once a week. So, for these two activities, would the XMC-1 be able to handle being a music preprocessor faster than being a video processor? But that's purely curiosity on my part. I'm actually fine with the wait since I can turn it on and head off to ut away my coat, grab a glass of wine, etc. But sure, if you can throw a slightly more expensive SoC at the Linux kernel for the upcoming RMC-1 and XMC-1, Gen3, go for it and I'll happily give you the extra money to cover the cost. Casey
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Post by hemster on Feb 21, 2018 14:33:54 GMT -5
I timed my XMC-1 bootup time at 45 sec. Personally I'd prefer it to be slower so I have more time to go to the bathroom and fix myself a drink!!! Hehe.. great minds think alike. I do the same thing. Turn on the rig and then walk downstairs, get me a bevvy, put the landline and mobiles on "Do not disturb" and walk back upstairs. Takes 45-50 seconds!
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 21, 2018 15:08:47 GMT -5
I timed my XMC-1 bootup time at 45 sec. Personally I'd prefer it to be slower so I have more time to go to the bathroom and fix myself a drink!!! Hehe.. great minds think alike. I do the same thing. Turn on the rig and then walk downstairs, get me a bevvy, put the landline and mobiles on "Do not disturb" and walk back upstairs. Takes 45-50 seconds! Try this ( but keep the hood on)👍 youtu.be/-o-h37ojQFoBill
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Post by Soup on Feb 21, 2018 16:01:29 GMT -5
I timed my XMC-1 bootup time at 45 sec. Personally I'd prefer it to be slower so I have more time to go to the bathroom and fix myself a drink!!! Especially when making mixed cocktails...
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Post by novisnick on Feb 21, 2018 16:21:16 GMT -5
Please, don’t EVER think of going with Tubes!
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