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Post by mercury on Feb 7, 2018 15:21:41 GMT -5
I have 2 DC-1. My first DC-1, an earlier production has the IEC receptacle with a 2pin configuration while the other DC-1 which I bought
more than a year ago from Emotiva has a 3pin configuration. My first DC-1 has the " EMOTIVA " on the front plate in white,the other just plain black.
The first DC-1 has Version 02 software, the other has Version 06. I removed the top case on both. There are a few difference, a minor one,
in some parts label and positioning on the pcb board. But definitely no missing or cut out of the board filter capacitors located near the regulators
and headphone drivers. Lastly hand soldering job on both are clean. Both DC-1 are working perfectly.
Took pictures of both units with top case removed. Will try to post later.
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Post by bootman on Feb 7, 2018 22:20:34 GMT -5
Funny how the “ silence is deafening” crowd is now the silence is deafening crowd.  |
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Post by socketman on Feb 7, 2018 22:30:13 GMT -5
Funny how the “ silence is deafening” crowd is now the silence is deafening crowd. Same sort of BS the skiing ninja was pulling on Axiom a few years ago. They could somehow improve something that was designed by a veteran company in an anechoic chamber. Always someone trying to discredit someone else. |
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Post by chicagorspec on Feb 7, 2018 23:02:14 GMT -5
Funny how the “ silence is deafening” crowd is now the silence is deafening crowd. If that’s directed at me you can pull your head out of your ass any time to see I liked KeithLs acknowledgement post 10 minutes after he put it up. |
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Post by socketman on Feb 7, 2018 23:05:23 GMT -5
No need to get nasty , you were after all the one insinuating that the teardown some how proved the DC1 is inferior in some way. You also , in your words kicked your Emotiva amps to the curb so your kinda anti emotiva from the tone of your posts.
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Post by chicagorspec on Feb 7, 2018 23:12:12 GMT -5
If Bootman had his facts straight rather than calling me out for reasonable questions deserving of a response, I wouldn’t have to get nasty.
And having broomed my Emo amps for something I liked better was simply fact. You’re the one who criticized my making such a decision after less than a week, when you admitted dismissing an entire category of hardware you had never even heard, just read about on the internet.
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Post by bootman on Feb 8, 2018 13:07:22 GMT -5
This seems like a perfectly appropriate opportunity for a "Manufacturers Response", and silence speaks volumes in my mind. Instead of deafening I should have said voluminous?  And a "like" isn't the same as posting a response. If it was, you would have not posted to begin with and just "liked" the other posts. Just like other members here do who like to stir the pot without getting dinged with their posts.  Folks here who know me, know I'm far from being a fanboy but if you poke, don't get mad if someone pokes back. I don't.  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Feb 10, 2018 2:14:28 GMT -5
The online review does give pause to those inclined to base their purchasing decisions solely on what they read. Negative comments, findings, (or nitpicks, as you see them) are scary. I also read the same site's comments on the Schiit Gungnar Multibit DAC that were also very negative. But my main complaint about the entire site is that the guy is reviewing used equipment, of unknown age, and without knowing whether the gear is typical of what the consumer would get new. Now for issues such as wire routing, used/new probably doesn't matter. Insulators touching stuff is not good - but ONLY if the device is in an area where heavy vibration can cause wear. On an engine or compressor, such wiring would be an issue. But in a DAC? I think not. The only other issues that would affect insulation are heat and age. Yes, there is some heat, but not enough to challenge the insulation. And show me anyone who keeps their DAC for 50 years or more... So despite the less than desirable design, I consider the wiring issue a red herring. The fact that a five year warranty exists ameliorates any reliability concerns (for me). As to performance, I'm not technical enough to judge the intricacies of digital performance. So, like garbulky, I cut to the chase and ask "how does it sound?" Now some LOVE the sound of the DC-1 (but I wasn't initially one of them). But the last time I heard a DC-1 in my system, it sounded MUCH better than I remember. So maybe I'm on the fence there. As to the competition, I've met Sabre DACs that I liked the sound of (the Oppo BDP-105 comes to mind), and Sabre DACs that I didn't (the Oppo UDP-205, for example). But I've also heard the Schiit Gumby Multibit (OK, but not any amazing thing) and the Emotiva PT-100 (that I consider worth 2 to 3x its price just for the DAC). You pays your money, you takes your choice. So if I read a dozen reviews saying that the Schiit Yggdrasil (or the Emotiva DC-1), for example, are "great sounding DACs," and a single review saying that the construction is bad and the DAC measures poorly, I'm more likely to go with the consensus rather than the outlier. YMMV |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 10, 2018 10:06:08 GMT -5
The online review does give pause to those inclined to base their purchasing decisions solely on what they read. Negative comments, findings, (or nitpicks, as you see them) are scary. I also read the same site's comments on the Schiit Gungnar Multibit DAC that were also very negative. But my main complaint about the entire site is that the guy is reviewing used equipment, of unknown age, and without knowing whether the gear is typical of what the consumer would get new. Now for issues such as wire routing, used/new probably doesn't matter. Insulators touching stuff is not good - but ONLY if the device is in an area where heavy vibration can cause wear. On an engine or compressor, such wiring would be an issue. But in a DAC? I think not. The only other issues that would affect insulation are heat and age. Yes, there is some heat, but not enough to challenge the insulation. And show me anyone who keeps their DAC for 50 years or more... So despite the less than desirable design, I consider the wiring issue a red herring. The fact that a five year warranty exists ameliorates any reliability concerns (for me). As to performance, I'm not technical enough to judge the intricacies of digital performance. So, like garbulky, I cut to the chase and ask "how does it sound?" Now some LOVE the sound of the DC-1 (but I wasn't initially one of them). But the last time I heard a DC-1 in my system, it sounded MUCH better than I remember. So maybe I'm on the fence there. As to the competition, I've met Sabre DACs that I liked the sound of (the Oppo BDP-105 comes to mind), and Sabre DACs that I didn't (the Oppo UDP-205, for example). But I've also heard the Schiit Gumby Multibit (OK, but not any amazing thing) and the Emotiva PT-100 (that I consider worth 2 to 3x its price just for the DAC). You pays your money, you takes your choice. So if I read a dozen reviews saying that the Schiit Yggdrasil (or the Emotiva DC-1), for example, are "great sounding DACs," and a single review saying that the construction is bad and the DAC measures poorly, I'm more likely to go with the consensus rather than the outlier. YMMV They didn’t review the $1300 gungnir multibitor the $2400 Yggdrasil. They have only reviewed a $600 bifrost multibit |
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Post by sal1950 on Mar 1, 2018 22:34:15 GMT -5
First of all this was a 'USED' unit. Perhaps it had been worked on. Perhaps the bad soldering was the result of a repair. Class II equipment does not have to have a dedicated ground. The so called pinching of a wire is not a pinching at all, just a well insulated wire touching a non conductive edge of a PC board (come on people!). Cheap caps, well most DACs of this caliber of performance cost many times more - it's nice to be critical if you ignore costs. I would question Arim's credentials given the uninformed opinions he expresses. I'm not an Emo Shill if that is what you are implying. The review is unprofesssional, uninformed, and accuses Emotiva of unsafe practices which is patently not true. Your post serves no purpose, are you "Armin'? If so take a refresher course in basic electronics, third party insurers, and perhaps the NEC. Just to clear a few details, this is my personal DC-1 that Amir measured. It had never been serviced and the cover had never been off it since I purchased it new in 6/10/2015. It has given totally trouble free service for the complete time. Don't know why mgbpuff would call the review unprofessional and uninformed, the pictures of the teardown inspection speak for themselves. Keith in his as always honesty admits the soldering is "less than attractive" and the caps aren't "fancy" (read expensive). Get over it bud, the unit has a few weaknesses and cost compromises. The pinching of the AC wires on the circuit board didn't' thrill me either, that could have been a easy no cost fix. I'll also make one personal observation which I've posted in these forums in the past and also mentioned in Amirs thread. As mentioned here by another owner I find the unit to run fairly hot and the very tiny feet on the bottom don't allow for very much air to get into the bottom plates venting slots. I added some taller feet to the bottom of mine for better circulation and would recommend others to the same. The cooler they run the longer they last. On the other hand when it came to the DAC measurements, the DC-1 has stomped all but a couple that have come under Amir's microscope. Up to and including the almost 5 times as expensive Schitt Yggdrasil. The headphone section also showed stellar numbers and should be competitive with anything out there when it comes to sound quality and the ability to drive difficult loads. The DC-1 has a lot of positive strengths and a few weaknesses which I'm sure you'll find in any product. As for this unit, it's back in my system making beautiful music, and this is where it will stay until it does finally let the smoke out. BTW, I just noticed the DC-1 has been removed from the site and I take it is no longer available. RIP DC-1 and thanks for the great sound. Sal |
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 2, 2018 1:34:09 GMT -5
I'm not an Emo Shill if that is what you are implying. The review is unprofesssional, uninformed, and accuses Emotiva of unsafe practices which is patently not true. Your post serves no purpose, are you "Armin'? If so take a refresher course in basic electronics, third party insurers, and perhaps the NEC. Just to clear a few details, this is my personal DC-1 that Amir measured. It had never been serviced and the cover had never been off it since I purchased it new in 6/10/2015. It has given totally trouble free service for the complete time. Don't know why mgbpuff would call the review unprofessional and uninformed, the pictures of the teardown inspection speak for themselves. Keith in his as always honesty admits the soldering is "less than attractive" and the caps aren't "fancy" (read expensive). Get over it bud, the unit has a few weaknesses and cost compromises. The pinching of the AC wires on the circuit board didn't' thrill me either, that could have been a easy no cost fix. I'll also make one personal observation which I've posted in these forums in the past and also mentioned in Amirs thread. As mentioned here by another owner I find the unit to run fairly hot and the very tiny feet on the bottom don't allow for very much air to get into the bottom plates venting slots. I added some taller feet to the bottom of mine for better circulation and would recommend others to the same. The cooler they run the longer they last. On the other hand when it came to the DAC measurements, the DC-1 has stomped all but a couple that have come under Amir's microscope. Up to and including the almost 5 times as expensive Schitt Yggdrasil. The headphone section also showed stellar numbers and should be competitive with anything out there when it comes to sound quality and the ability to drive difficult loads. The DC-1 has a lot of positive strengths and a few weaknesses which I'm sure you'll find in any product. As for this unit, it's back in my system making beautiful music, and this is where it will stay until it does finally let the smoke out. BTW, I just noticed the DC-1 has been removed from the site and I take it is no longer available. RIP DC-1 and thanks for the great sound. Sal I would guess the reason mgbpuff called the "review" unprofessional and uninformed is because Amir does not know how to use his test equipment, document a proper setup, or how to interpret the data. Amir and a hack who does not deserve anyones attention. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Mar 2, 2018 2:37:46 GMT -5
The DAC in my main system (NAD) has pretty darn bad build quality. Plastic, crappy wall wart - overall, a stark contrast from the DC-1 but I sure do love how the NAD sounds.
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Post by sal1950 on Mar 8, 2018 14:39:32 GMT -5
Just to clear a few details, this is my personal DC-1 that Amir measured. It had never been serviced and the cover had never been off it since I purchased it new in 6/10/2015. It has given totally trouble free service for the complete time. Don't know why mgbpuff would call the review unprofessional and uninformed, the pictures of the teardown inspection speak for themselves. Keith in his as always honesty admits the soldering is "less than attractive" and the caps aren't "fancy" (read expensive). Get over it bud, the unit has a few weaknesses and cost compromises. The pinching of the AC wires on the circuit board didn't' thrill me either, that could have been a easy no cost fix. I'll also make one personal observation which I've posted in these forums in the past and also mentioned in Amirs thread. As mentioned here by another owner I find the unit to run fairly hot and the very tiny feet on the bottom don't allow for very much air to get into the bottom plates venting slots. I added some taller feet to the bottom of mine for better circulation and would recommend others to the same. The cooler they run the longer they last. On the other hand when it came to the DAC measurements, the DC-1 has stomped all but a couple that have come under Amir's microscope. Up to and including the almost 5 times as expensive Schitt Yggdrasil. The headphone section also showed stellar numbers and should be competitive with anything out there when it comes to sound quality and the ability to drive difficult loads. The DC-1 has a lot of positive strengths and a few weaknesses which I'm sure you'll find in any product. As for this unit, it's back in my system making beautiful music, and this is where it will stay until it does finally let the smoke out. BTW, I just noticed the DC-1 has been removed from the site and I take it is no longer available. RIP DC-1 and thanks for the great sound. Sal I would guess the reason mgbpuff called the "review" unprofessional and uninformed is because Amir does not know how to use his test equipment, document a proper setup, or how to interpret the data. Amir and a hack who does not deserve anyones attention. Maybe you should log in over there and teach him and the rest of us where he has gone astray. I'm sure he would welcome any enlightenment you have to offer on the use of the Audio Precision SYS 2522, the $10K+ SOTA audio measurement system. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/understanding-audio-measurements.2351/#post-65100 |
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Post by knucklehead on Mar 8, 2018 16:51:27 GMT -5
Typical Emotiva thread, if anything bad is said about an Emotiva product attack the messenger.
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 8, 2018 18:57:04 GMT -5
I would guess the reason mgbpuff called the "review" unprofessional and uninformed is because Amir does not know how to use his test equipment, document a proper setup, or how to interpret the data. Amir and a hack who does not deserve anyones attention. Maybe you should log in over there and teach him and the rest of us where he has gone astray. I'm sure he would welcome any enlightenment you have to offer on the use of the Audio Precision SYS 2522, the $10K+ SOTA audio measurement system. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/understanding-audio-measurements.2351/#post-65100I tried to talk with Amir, he was not interested in learning from an engineer who runs a lab that does test and measurement. I am not impressed by someone buying used test equipment at auction who does not know how to use it properly. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 8, 2018 19:05:50 GMT -5
Typical Emotiva thread, if anything bad is said about an Emotiva product attack the messenger. I get the pushback to "fanboys" as that kind of culture exists with most products that people invest their money into but Amir has taken questionable measurements of many products from several companies that do not match up with other peoples measurements. When questioned about his test setup he makes accusations against the person asking questions instead of offing better information about his test setup or remeasuring under better test setup conditions. I am a compliance engineer who specializes in EN61326 (test and measurement equipment) so I know by experience that test setup and documentation are incredibly important when taking measurements. Amir clearly lacks that experience and does not respond well to feedback or questions about his measurements. |
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Post by bodieswithoutorgans on Mar 8, 2018 19:54:55 GMT -5
If Bootman had his facts straight rather than calling me out for reasonable questions deserving of a response, I wouldn’t have to get nasty. And having broomed my Emo amps for something I liked better was simply fact. You’re the one who criticized my making such a decision after less than a week, when you admitted dismissing an entire category of hardware you had never even heard, just read about on the internet. Excellent Bryston amps Chicago. |
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Post by sal1950 on Mar 10, 2018 2:51:33 GMT -5
Typical Emotiva thread, if anything bad is said about an Emotiva product attack the messenger. I get the pushback to "fanboys" as that kind of culture exists with most products that people invest their money into but Amir has taken questionable measurements of many products from several companies that do not match up with other peoples measurements. When questioned about his test setup he makes accusations against the person asking questions instead of offing better information about his test setup or remeasuring under better test setup conditions. I am a compliance engineer who specializes in EN61326 (test and measurement equipment) so I know by experience that test setup and documentation are incredibly important when taking measurements. Amir clearly lacks that experience and does not respond well to feedback or questions about his measurements. I'm still awaiting your posts over there. What's your user name, the link to your posts where he wouldn't listen? It's so easy to hide over here and run your jaw, but to face down the man in person with your "superior knowledge", now that's another thing all together huh? LOL @knucklehead , yea guess that's the case. Love my DC-1 but I can deal with the realities that nothing is perfect. Guess some can't The fanboy say he knows it all but doesn't come on over for a visit to prove it. Later |
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Post by rtg97229 on Mar 10, 2018 13:00:02 GMT -5
I get the pushback to "fanboys" as that kind of culture exists with most products that people invest their money into but Amir has taken questionable measurements of many products from several companies that do not match up with other peoples measurements. When questioned about his test setup he makes accusations against the person asking questions instead of offing better information about his test setup or remeasuring under better test setup conditions. I am a compliance engineer who specializes in EN61326 (test and measurement equipment) so I know by experience that test setup and documentation are incredibly important when taking measurements. Amir clearly lacks that experience and does not respond well to feedback or questions about his measurements. I'm still awaiting your posts over there. What's your user name, the link to your posts where he wouldn't listen? It's so easy to hide over here and run your jaw, but to face down the man in person with your "superior knowledge", now that's another thing all together huh? LOL @knucklehead , yea guess that's the case. Love my DC-1 but I can deal with the realities that nothing is perfect. Guess some can't The fanboy say he knows it all but doesn't come on over for a visit to prove it. Later No hiding, I have the same user name over there as here, also the same user name on Head-Fi. I have talked directly with Amir on Head-Fi and on his own site. |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 10, 2018 18:02:56 GMT -5
I'm still awaiting your posts over there. What's your user name, the link to your posts where he wouldn't listen? It's so easy to hide over here and run your jaw, but to face down the man in person with your "superior knowledge", now that's another thing all together huh? LOL @knucklehead , yea guess that's the case. Love my DC-1 but I can deal with the realities that nothing is perfect. Guess some can't The fanboy say he knows it all but doesn't come on over for a visit to prove it. Later No hiding, I have the same user name over there as here, also the same user name on Head-Fi. I have talked directly with Amir on Head-Fi and on his own site. So out of curiosity, what has been the result of your discussions with Amir? |
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