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Post by Gary Cook on May 22, 2018 18:53:09 GMT -5
Good idea Bonz, I'll take a couple of SACD's, that's the only music I listen to via processor. The guy that owns the hifi shop. Steve, used to play guitar in a band, so the Dire Straits SACD should make him smile. If Steve is Arcam dealer, ask him to show you the AVR550 or the AV860. I did audition those two last week and the only thing holding me going that route is $$ He's not, but the Arcam mark up for Australia is ridiculous, they are double the US price. Whereas Yamaha is the same as the US pricing, allowing for the exchange rate and GST. FWIW I'm not looking at AVR's, just processors, I'm not into paying for power amplifiers that I will never use. Cheers Gary
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Post by novisnick on May 22, 2018 18:58:33 GMT -5
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Post by Gary Cook on May 22, 2018 19:06:21 GMT -5
I'll just play the Immigrant Song from Thor Ragnarok BD really loudly, that's a good comparison Cheers Gary
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Post by Bonzo on May 22, 2018 20:36:27 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin, the deities of rock and roll. 😉😁
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Post by markymiles on May 29, 2018 7:12:56 GMT -5
If Steve is Arcam dealer, ask him to show you the AVR550 or the AV860. I did audition those two last week and the only thing holding me going that route is $$ He's not, but the Arcam mark up for Australia is ridiculous, they are double the US price. Whereas Yamaha is the same as the US pricing, allowing for the exchange rate and GST. FWIW I'm not looking at AVR's, just processors, I'm not into paying for power amplifiers that I will never use. Cheers Gary FWIW I recently moved from an XMC-1 to an AVR-550 used purely as a processor. Can't say I noticed any sound quality differences. I couldn't wait any longer for the vaporware that is this upgrade board. I would have been in a similar boat as you but I'm not paying nearly twice as much for them to remove the amps
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Post by Gary Cook on May 29, 2018 16:03:47 GMT -5
He's not, but the Arcam mark up for Australia is ridiculous, they are double the US price. Whereas Yamaha is the same as the US pricing, allowing for the exchange rate and GST. FWIW I'm not looking at AVR's, just processors, I'm not into paying for power amplifiers that I will never use. FWIW I recently moved from an XMC-1 to an AVR-550 used purely as a processor. Can't say I noticed any sound quality differences. I couldn't wait any longer for the vaporware that is this upgrade board. I would have been in a similar boat as you but I'm not paying nearly twice as much for them to remove the amps Similarly, I'm not paying twice as much (for an Arcam) just because I live in Australia. More and more companies are realising that their competition has world wide pricing, with the only difference being exchange rate and duties/taxes. Arcam need to wake up to the fact that we (Aussies) can easily look up what the price is in the US and notice that we are being ripped off. Not that Emotiva is much better mind. Cheers Gary
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Post by markymiles on May 29, 2018 16:29:38 GMT -5
Yeah agreed that's poor and no doubt frustrating for you. I don't know why some brands don't have a decent price across the globe. I'm from the UK and it varies here too with some brands being similarly priced compared to US and others being a complete rip off.
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Post by Gary Cook on May 29, 2018 16:48:22 GMT -5
Yeah agreed that's poor and no doubt frustrating for you. I don't know why some brands don't have a decent price across the globe. I'm from the UK and it varies here too with some brands being similarly priced compared to US and others being a complete rip off. Like a lot of people I have a reshipper in the US that I use to avoid the geoblocking sales tactics. Most US companies these days include shipping to CONUS and with a reshipper I then only pay the international freight cost. We have a free trade agreement for goods manufactured in the US so there is no import duty. We used to get no GST charged for private imports under $1,000 but that changes from July 1. There are ways around the predatory pricing but it does add an element of inconvenience, which could be easily avoided in they didn't treat us like idiots. Cheers Gary
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 4, 2018 19:44:45 GMT -5
Apple tvOS 12 will include Atmos support and is due for release in fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2018. This will make the Apple TV 4K the only streaming box with support for both 4K and Atmos.
Cheers Gary
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Post by sahmen on Jun 4, 2018 21:14:00 GMT -5
Apple tvOS 12 will include Atmos support and is due for release in fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2018. This will make the Apple TV 4K the only streaming box with support for both 4K and Atmos. Cheers Gary Actually, Gary, the 2017 editions of the Amazon Fire TV 4k and Nvidia Shield set top boxes already support both Atmos and 4k. As far as I know, the Nvidia shield also supports DTX-S streams.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 4, 2018 23:53:18 GMT -5
Apple tvOS 12 will include Atmos support and is due for release in fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2018. This will make the Apple TV 4K the only streaming box with support for both 4K and Atmos. Actually, Gary, the 2017 editions of the Amazon Fire TV 4k and Nvidia Shield set top boxes already support both Atmos and 4k. As far as I know, the Nvidia shield also supports DTX-S streams. Sorry I should have been more explicit, let me have another go, this will make the Apple TV 4K the only streaming box with support for both 4K Dolby Vision and Atmos. Cheers Gary
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Post by sahmen on Jun 5, 2018 10:22:02 GMT -5
Actually, Gary, the 2017 editions of the Amazon Fire TV 4k and Nvidia Shield set top boxes already support both Atmos and 4k. As far as I know, the Nvidia shield also supports DTX-S streams. Sorry I should have been more explicit, let me have another go, this will make the Apple TV 4K the only streaming box with support for both 4K Dolby Vision and Atmos. Cheers Gary Okay, got it.
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 5, 2018 16:21:27 GMT -5
Not a set top box, and you probably already know this but just in case, Netflix streams Atmos (and 4k obviously) to the Xbox One, One S, certain LG OLED tv's, and their Win 10 app.
That is one weird mix of available clients.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 6, 2018 21:33:45 GMT -5
I have an XMC-1 going to Emotiva for the 4K Board update and then having it shipped to me in Oz. In light of the Atmos issues (7.1.4 revelations) and based on the movies that I currently own or are on my radar, I'm going to wait for the dust to settle a lot more before the Atmos board update. It's a big risk as I doubt that the Oz Distributor has the capability to handle the apparent complexity of the Atmos update. Which may mean another trip to Emotiva, but I'm playing the cards as they are dealt and right now there is no Atmos card to play.
Cheers Gary
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Post by sahmen on Jun 26, 2018 14:09:04 GMT -5
Yes, the release of the V3 board has brought the XMC-1 back into focus, as the recent e-mail proudly announces, This is just to hail Emo for also reminding us that they're keeping the Atmos/DTS-X update hot on the drawing board, in this ongoing resurgence of the XMC-1:
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Post by leftycrusher9 on Jun 26, 2018 19:12:45 GMT -5
So once the Atmos board is ready and goes into the XMC-1, other than a faceplate and dedicated balanced outputs for the height channels, are there any other advantages or benefits to waiting on the Gen 3 version to be released? Is there anything else that it (the Gen 3) will offer that the Gen 2 won’t? Trying to decide if I need to pull the trigger now or wait....
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 26, 2018 19:50:16 GMT -5
So once the Atmos board is ready and goes into the XMC-1, other than a faceplate and dedicated balanced outputs for the height channels, are there any other advantages or benefits to waiting on the Gen 3 version to be released? Is there anything else that it (the Gen 3) will offer that the Gen 2 won’t? Trying to decide if I need to pull the trigger now or wait.... I took a crack at a spreadsheet comparing the XMC-1, XMC-1 w/HDMI & Atmos, XMC-1 G3, and RMC-1. I was hoping to get some input to make it more accurate but it didn't garner much interest. You can see it here (part of the RMC-1 thread) emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/943376/thread
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Post by novisnick on Jun 26, 2018 20:00:35 GMT -5
So once the Atmos board is ready and goes into the XMC-1, other than a faceplate and dedicated balanced outputs for the height channels, are there any other advantages or benefits to waiting on the Gen 3 version to be released? Is there anything else that it (the Gen 3) will offer that the Gen 2 won’t? Trying to decide if I need to pull the trigger now or wait.... I took a crack at a spreadsheet comparing the XMC-1, XMC-1 w/HDMI & Atmos, XMC-1 G3, and RMC-1. I was hoping to get some input to make it more accurate but it didn't garner much interest. You can see it here (part of the RMC-1 thread) emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/943376/threadThanks for all your hard work AudioHTIT Still looks loke a coin toss,,,,,,,,,do ya Want it NOW or should we WAIT,,,,,and WAIT,,,,,,, till it comes out? What is “it” is up to the individual!
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 26, 2018 20:50:16 GMT -5
So once the Atmos board is ready and goes into the XMC-1, other than a faceplate and dedicated balanced outputs for the height channels, are there any other advantages or benefits to waiting on the Gen 3 version to be released? Is there anything else that it (the Gen 3) will offer that the Gen 2 won’t? Trying to decide if I need to pull the trigger now or wait.... The G3 will have fully balanced outputs for the LCR channels. I would maybe guess that the G3 could have a more powerful processor (depending on what needs to be changed on the G2 for Atmos) that would lend the G3 to be better suited for future upgrades. But I think for all practical purposes the G2 and G3 will be very similar. If you don’t see your self needing Atmos within the next year or so I would say get the G2 now. FWIW I would not be surprised to see the G3 be released before the Atmos upgrade is released for the XMC-1. I only base this on the fact that the G3 is based on the RMC-1 and we expect that to be out before the Atmos upgrade for the G2.
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Post by cwt on Jun 27, 2018 6:38:36 GMT -5
So once the Atmos board is ready and goes into the XMC-1, other than a faceplate and dedicated balanced outputs for the height channels, are there any other advantages or benefits to waiting on the Gen 3 version to be released? Is there anything else that it (the Gen 3) will offer that the Gen 2 won’t? Trying to decide if I need to pull the trigger now or wait.... I took a crack at a spreadsheet comparing the XMC-1, XMC-1 w/HDMI & Atmos, XMC-1 G3, and RMC-1. I was hoping to get some input to make it more accurate but it didn't garner much interest. I think it fair to say that the XMC2 will have a different sound signature[dare I say better] Bruce as I expect it to emulate the dac and analog stages of the RMC1 . Of which you can add to your spreadsheet noting the different dacs being utilised - no more Burr Brown/TI and uprated processing horsepower for the RMC1 .. This extra processing power may well allow dirac to be processed at 96hz[rate mentioned for RMC1 recently iirc after 192hz was bandied about] and/or process the height channels as well as the bed channels for atmos etc :)Also think the odds are good with the next gen for Alexa control after an expansion module was mentioned for the RMC1 . The lack of unbalanced outputs on the XMC2 also means less chance of emi/rf in the casing too ; although that is a 2 way sword for some
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