Emotiva ERC-1 vs. Oppo BDP-83

[Mr. Ben]

Jun 3, 2009 10:15:37 GMT -5 littlesaint said:

Any differences between DSD and PCM or DSD->PCM is more of a theoretical argument than something you're going to hear. That's a load statement huh. I still say even if SACD (or DSD) provided any advantage, the analog section of the ERC should more than trump it.

I do agree that a high-quality CD player can trump many SACD players out there. But I've heard enough direct comparisons between SACD and CD to know that the SACD format is superior to CD, and it is quite audible on a good player. But without hearing them, I can't predict if a SACD in the oppo would sound better than a CD in the ERC-1, so I find this poll interesting.

[tjf120]

Chuckie...you ever post the results of your listening tests?

[Animo]

Jun 27, 2009 16:45:41 GMT -5 tjf120 said:

Chuckie...you ever post the results of your listening tests?

neither did I, but I will soon.
It's hard to sit and type for long periods of time since my surgery

[jklow888]

While the conclusions should be obvious, can owners of both units rate their experiences to quantify the gap between the two ? I know this is subjective, but how about a scale of 1 to 10 with 0.1 increments, so something along the lines of "ERC-1 = 8.5 Oppo = 7.8" ?

[nhpm510]

bump
Eagerly awaiting the match up results-

[Deleted]

Jun 5, 2009 13:25:56 GMT -5 Mr. Ben said:

Jun 3, 2009 10:15:37 GMT -5 littlesaint said:

Any differences between DSD and PCM or DSD->PCM is more of a theoretical argument than something you're going to hear. That's a load statement huh. I still say even if SACD (or DSD) provided any advantage, the analog section of the ERC should more than trump it.

I do agree that a high-quality CD player can trump many SACD players out there. But I've heard enough direct comparisons between SACD and CD to know that the SACD format is superior to CD, and it is quite audible on a good player. But without hearing them, I can't predict if a SACD in the oppo would sound better than a CD in the ERC-1, so I find this poll interesting.

When SACD first came out I did not think it was possible that a redbook player could sound better than SACD. Clearly this misinformation did not last very long but I never owned a redbook player that could outperform SACD until now. Basically, once I acquired my SACD player, I used it to play all CDs so for almost 10 years I only used this for playback.

Thank God and Emotiva that they made the ERC-1.

[nhpm510]

Rather, so what your saying is that the ERC's 2-channel music experience is better than the SACD experience with the Oppo?
(After all, we are talking about what each is capable of, 2 ch vs SACD over HDMI, as a this is the real-life based application.)

I will concede the ERC is better than Oppo in two channel, confirmed per Secrets' review. But I am having a harder and harder time spinning disc, versus using the digital media server. If I am going to get off the couch, it should be for something I can't get elsewhere (DVD-A, SACD). As crazy as it might be, can you quantify the ----

****ERC vs Oppo experiences, on a 1-100 scale, in the following categories:

Clarity?

Soundstage?

"Musicality"?

Practicality- I believe the Oppo takes this category :-) Oppo: 98 Emo: 50

Aesthetics- Emo wins!
or any other terms you can think of!

[Animo]

Jul 5, 2009 13:29:13 GMT -5 nhpm510 said:

I will concede the ERC is better than Oppo in two channel, confirmed per Secrets' review.

Can you post a link to this review???

[nhpm510]

Jul 5, 2009 13:36:55 GMT -5 Animo said:

Jul 5, 2009 13:29:13 GMT -5 nhpm510 said:

I will concede the ERC is better than Oppo in two channel, confirmed per Secrets' review.

Can you post a link to this review???

Can't, it's a Secret!



here ya go!
www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-ray-players/647-oppo-bdp-83-blu-ray-player.html

[nhpm510]

Screw it; I just voted...just got this email.

Thank you for choosing OPPO Digital. This acknowledges the following order placed by you.

[Deleted]

Jul 5, 2009 13:29:13 GMT -5 nhpm510 said:

Rather, so what your saying is that the ERC's 2-channel music experience is better than the SACD experience with the Oppo?

Actually, no. I have not heard the Oppo play SACD. I was generically speaking of SACD playback versus redbook.

For my analysis, I was talking about the ERC playing redbook CDs compared to SACD playback on the Denon and Marantz in my signature. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I am sure the Oppo is one heck of an SACD player.

[ray]

Damn I wish I did not read this thread. It just cost me another 4 bills. I already have the OPPO, but not the cd player. I figured it would not make much difference.....

Crap.

Where is my credit card??

[nhpm510]

Jul 6, 2009 16:27:17 GMT -5 rather said:

Jul 5, 2009 13:29:13 GMT -5 nhpm510 said:

Rather, so what your saying is that the ERC's 2-channel music experience is better than the SACD experience with the Oppo?

Actually, no. I have not heard the Oppo play SACD. I was generically speaking of SACD playback versus redbook.

For my analysis, I was talking about the ERC playing redbook CDs compared to SACD playback on the Denon and Marantz in my signature. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I am sure the Oppo is one heck of an SACD player.

I get it.

Actually, I got it to-listening to SACD on the Oppo right now :-). Very nice. Better than my Denon.

I guess it is like sex with 2 or 3 women at the same time. Both are great, but difficult to say which is really better ;-)

[ray]

Yeh I have that dream a lot too..........

(I guess it is like sex with 2 or 3 women at the same time)

[Animo]

Unfortunately, I have no way of level matching and blindly A/b ing the 2 units. That being said, I have found on my system, that the ERC plays roughly 12db's higher than my Oppo. So what I have to do is play a disk on 1 unit, change the volume and listen on the next. Even though my Outlaw has a trim compensation adjustment, it didn't exactly match levels.

For pure 2 channel playback, they both do quite well. The edge however goes to the ERC-1. More detail, more soundstage, just more. The Oppo is much more laid back and subdued by comparison. This isn't a bad thing though. I have found some CDs have a bit of sibilance and scratchiness on the ERC-1. When that happens, I can simply take out the disk and listen to the disk on the Oppo.

Being a nube to SACD audio, I'll be quite honest, other than multiple channels, I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be listening for. I do like the fact that no matter which player I listen to, I have the option of playing it in any of the various formats from DTS and Dolby Music to straight stereo, 5 or 7 channel stereo, or in bypass mode.

I am quite happy with both units.

[nhpm510]

Bump--anyone else care to share-oppo vs erc comments?

[edoggrc51]

Aug 4, 2009 14:05:42 GMT -5 nhpm510 said:

Bump--anyone else care to share-oppo vs erc comments?

What he said.

Bumpity bump bump.

[flamingeye]

Damn it rather - now I`m going to have to save up some more money after I get the XMC so I can get the ERC now

[Deleted]

Oct 31, 2009 17:55:55 GMT -5 flamingeye said:

Damn it rather - now I`m going to have to save up some more money after I get the XMC so I can get the ERC now

;D

[MukAudio]

Jun 2, 2009 10:31:14 GMT -5 jmilton said:

www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-ray-players/636-oppo-bdp-83-universal-blu-ray-player.html


...I found it interesting that DSD->LPCM lost some resolution. As wonderful as the ERC may be, I listen to SACD in 2 or multi. and would never replace my Oppo with any stand alone CD player, no matter the "quality". You really can't make a "silk purse out of a (16 bit) pigs ear"!


...now a velvet purse, yes, most assuredly.

...Isn't SACD at 1 bit with a sample rate in the megahertz range (as opposed to redbook's 44.1kHz?)

Mark.