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Post by 26gary26 on Jun 16, 2018 21:30:07 GMT -5
In my 2 channel system (Emotiva XPA2 Gen3, & XSP-1 Gen2) that powers my Klipsch RF-7II Speakers my volume control usually reads -29.5 which is really, really loud.
Is this normal, or is it because of Klipsch speaker efficiency or that the system is over powering them.
I am not complaining but I never had a system that had a minus readout for volume. So I guess I will never see the plus side of my volume control on my XSP-1 Gen2.
Hope I am not sounding ignorant. New to the site still learning.
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 16, 2018 21:49:41 GMT -5
In my 2 channel system (Emotiva XPA2 Gen3, & XSP-1 Gen2) that powers my Klipsch RF-7II Speakers my volume control usually reads -29.5 which is really, really loud. Is this normal, or is it because of Klipsch speaker efficiency or that the system is over powering them. I am not complaining but I never had a system that had a minus readout for volume. So I guess I will never see the plus side of my volume control on my XSP-1 Gen2. Hope I am not sounding ignorant. New to the site still learning. "0" is supposed to be "reference level" but that is a relative term depending on the efficiency of your speakers, whether you are using balanced or RCA cables, and the gain of your amp. Since Klipsch speakers are efficient, you would expect not to have to turn up the volume control as much as if you had something like Magnepan speakers. I think the max you can go to is +11. Don't have any concerns about having a "negative" volume reading as that is normal. I don't think anyone listens at 0 or anywhere near 0 unless they want to damage their ear drums or they are already hearing impaired. I used to have an XSP-1 but I don't remember what my usual volume setting was but given your efficient speakers, being loud at -29.5 probably is not unusual. |
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Post by 26gary26 on Jun 16, 2018 21:54:07 GMT -5
Thank you Monkumonku for your reply.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 16, 2018 23:23:53 GMT -5
Don't worry about the volume. I listen at about -30 too. As monku nicely said, 0 db is usually extremely loud and most people don't go above that. 0db is 2v for RCA and 4V for XLR.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 16, 2018 23:26:58 GMT -5
The number is irrelevant, far too many variables. Just adjust to to your normal listening levels and ignore what the number is, except for future reference of course.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by knucklehead on Jun 17, 2018 0:00:20 GMT -5
What Gary said.
Reference level is not 0db - it is 85db, and is used by home theater gear. At 70db (-15 on the volume display) your HT will sound about as loud as your buddies HT setup at 70db (-15 on the volume display) regardless of the speakers or electronics in use. At 85db on your AVR/AVP volume display would be showing -0 on the volume scale. Most find that to be too loud, including myself. I usually set the volume to 70db or so, -15db from reference. If you've never run the room correction software 0 on the volume display won't mean anything other than a reference point for you. The AVR/AVP has no way of knowing whether you have sensitive speakers like Klipsch or something like Maggies, or worse.
Stereo gear has no way to know when it's reached reference level so the manufacturers generally use a scale from 0 (nothing to hear) to 85 (my Onkyo stereo) which would be cranked all the way up. The XSP-1 would be no different. Perhaps the XSP-2 Gen 3 will have room correction and EQ a pair of subs? Add a DAC and I'm interested. |
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Post by 26gary26 on Jun 17, 2018 1:24:09 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for your input and comments. I really appreciate it and this Emotiva site.
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Post by DavidR on Jun 17, 2018 8:52:09 GMT -5
My SA250 + XSP-1 G2 driving my AR90s (4-way, 5 driver) at 'normal' listening level is -38; loud is up around -20 but if I swap in my AR91s (3 way, 3 driver) loud would be about -30.
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Post by RichGuy on Jun 17, 2018 9:58:40 GMT -5
Perhaps the XSP-2 Gen 3 will have room correction and EQ a pair of subs? Add a DAC and I'm interested. I sure hope not, let's keep the XSP purely analog as it's meant to be, if you want to add those buy a processor or request another new 2 channel model be designed. |
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Post by mhm2526 on Jun 18, 2018 10:27:54 GMT -5
I run my Maggies with XPA-1s and an XSP-1 Gen 2 in a fairly large room. Usually the XSP-1 reads -23 to -21.5 at normal listening levels (for me, around 75-85db,) and anything below -20 is getting REALLY loud. With Klipsch, -29 would not surprise me.
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Post by leonski on Jun 26, 2018 17:34:08 GMT -5
What Gary said.
Reference level is not 0db - it is 85db, and is used by home theater gear. At 70db (-15 on the volume display) your HT will sound about as loud as your buddies HT setup at 70db (-15 on the volume display) regardless of the speakers or electronics in use. At 85db on your AVR/AVP volume display would be showing -0 on the volume scale. Most find that to be too loud, including myself. I usually set the volume to 70db or so, -15db from reference. If you've never run the room correction software 0 on the volume display won't mean anything other than a reference point for you. The AVR/AVP has no way of knowing whether you have sensitive speakers like Klipsch or something like Maggies, or worse.
Stereo gear has no way to know when it's reached reference level so the manufacturers generally use a scale from 0 (nothing to hear) to 85 (my Onkyo stereo) which would be cranked all the way up. The XSP-1 would be no different. Perhaps the XSP-2 Gen 3 will have room correction and EQ a pair of subs? Add a DAC and I'm interested. Aren't 2 different things being addressed? 85db would be some measure of average SPL at your listening position. This, depending on speaker sensitivity and amp gain would need different 'db' levels on the VC (vol control) So, to reach 'reference level' in a large, absorbing room would be a way different VC setting than the same system in a smaller, reflective space. This is part of a little known art called 'system building'. This is, in part, a function of interpretation of the AP data many howl about. Just ONE example. A preamp might be 110db SNR when at its BEST setting. But running a very high power amp and VERY sensitive speakers? You'll never GET to that point on the pre. Three or four clicks 'off the bottom' where you get minimal sound, it might have a far WORSE measure. And in some cases, even be audible. www.stereophile.com/content/parasound-halo-p-5-21-channel-da-preamplifier-measurementsHere is link to my P5 measured data. Scan down to Fig #4 and see how distorion drops as voltage output RISES. To a low point than skyrockets as the pre gets to a non-happy place. Running at 200mv output might result in a VERY high gain system with HIGHLY sensitive speakers in a mismatch. Thus 'system'. |
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Post by 26gary26 on Jun 26, 2018 22:06:29 GMT -5
Well guys my room is 12' x 24' without any room correction accessories so far. Just a beginner learning. I do really like my Emotiva equipment and what I am hearing so far. I am learning a lot from most of you and I really do appreciate the comments I am getting. Rock on !!!!!!
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Post by leonski on Jun 27, 2018 2:17:56 GMT -5
Well guys my room is 12' x 24' without any room correction accessories so far. Just a beginner learning. I do really like my Emotiva equipment and what I am hearing so far. I am learning a lot from most of you and I really do appreciate the comments I am getting. Rock on !!!!!! Just ONE minor point. A room is NOT just square footage. It's 3-D with HEIGHT. If you have a common flat ceiling of 8 feet? You've got a room which is in the ratio 1:1.5:3 which is a problematic ratio. Are you doing a 'short wall' or 'long wall' setup? |
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Post by 26gary26 on Jun 27, 2018 10:17:06 GMT -5
Yeah Common flat 8' ceiling. There are 4 entrance pathways into the room as said which is 12' x 24'. Two of the pathways are regular door openings, and 2 of the pathways are 8' entry way openings. I guess I would be considered short wall installation. Anything special I should be looking at for improvement ?
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