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Post by Joe in Mobile on Jul 30, 2018 17:00:15 GMT -5
Hi Everyone,
Thinking about buying the new xmc-1. I have not found any recent user reviews, a lot of the new board update though. Looking for input about buying the new version xmc-1. I will split probably 60/40 movies to music. Will play vinyl also. Will be a 5.1 set-up. Thanks.
Joe in Mobile
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 30, 2018 18:54:53 GMT -5
No one knows, it hasn't been released, not on sale, no one has one, not even sure that there are beta testers, no reviews and no spec's released. Anything you have heard or read is pure speculation and should be treated as such.
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Gary
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Post by Joe in Mobile on Jul 30, 2018 20:36:57 GMT -5
The reason I asked is that their website shows they are in stock. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Thanks.
Joe in Mobile
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Post by novisnick on Jul 30, 2018 20:42:30 GMT -5
The reason I asked is that their website shows they are in stock. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Thanks. Joe in Mobile I don’t see any XMC-1 gen 3 in stock, or anywhere else for that matter. 😁 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 20:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Jul 30, 2018 21:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 21:21:22 GMT -5
Between your emojis and pics, you must have coke bottle glasses old man. 😁 |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 30, 2018 21:40:09 GMT -5
Between your emojis and pics, you must have coke bottle glasses old man. 😁 |
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Post by creimes on Jul 30, 2018 21:43:49 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, Thinking about buying the new xmc-1. I have not found any recent user reviews, a lot of the new board update though. Looking for input about buying the new version xmc-1. I will split probably 60/40 movies to music. Will play vinyl also. Will be a 5.1 set-up. Thanks. Joe in Mobile Hey Joe in mobile, if 5.1 is all you run then I would say go the way of used, save tons of cash that way as I have seen used XMC-1 Gen 2's sell anywhere from $1000 to $1500 US |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 30, 2018 21:48:41 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, Thinking about buying the new xmc-1. I have not found any recent user reviews, a lot of the new board update though. Looking for input about buying the new version xmc-1. I will split probably 60/40 movies to music. Will play vinyl also. Will be a 5.1 set-up. Thanks. Joe in Mobile Hey Joe in mobile, if 5.1 is all you run then I would say go the way of used, save tons of cash that way as I have seen used XMC-1 Gen 2's sell anywhere from $1000 to $1500 US Yep, for sure. And in several practical ways, the Gen 3 is a lesser unit that has been rumored to cost more money. 3 steps forward, 2 steps back, easy. Maybe even 3 forward and 3 back. Edit: Unfortunately its because of this that I'm really starting to wonder if the Gen 2 (the original) will actually ever get the height channel update people were promised. We basically know (sort of) that the Gen 3 is coming after the RMC, and that the Gen 2 upgrade is coming after that. Of course that's not set in stone, but the more time goes by the more I believe it. Why would Emotiva satisfy old users for minimal profit for a $500 upgrade before releasing an all new unit that costs even more? Especially when in many regards the new unit actually offers less? Of course it may have some cool things we don't know about, or the preliminary pics of the back may be just that, preliminary. But the Gen 3 isn't looking as good as an upgraded Gen 2 to me. And that's why I'm starting to doubt the Gen 2 height channel upgrade will ever see the light of day. |
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Post by mick on Jul 30, 2018 23:39:32 GMT -5
Looking at the Gen 3 pic, i take it all adjustments are done via remote control?
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 31, 2018 0:09:08 GMT -5
Looking at the Gen 3 pic, i take it all adjustments are done via remote control? Nope... the large dial is not only the volume control, but also a navigational cursor/selector while in the menu system. Note the “up/down/left/right” arrows printed on the faceplate around the dial. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 31, 2018 0:50:30 GMT -5
Hey Joe in mobile, if 5.1 is all you run then I would say go the way of used, save tons of cash that way as I have seen used XMC-1 Gen 2's sell anywhere from $1000 to $1500 US Yep, for sure. And in several practical ways, the Gen 3 is a lesser unit that has been rumored to cost more money. 3 steps forward, 2 steps back, easy. Maybe even 3 forward and 3 back. Edit: Unfortunately its because of this that I'm really starting to wonder if the Gen 2 (the original) will actually ever get the height channel update people were promised. We basically know (sort of) that the Gen 3 is coming after the RMC, and that the Gen 2 upgrade is coming after that. Of course that's not set in stone, but the more time goes by the more I believe it. Why would Emotiva satisfy old users for minimal profit for a $500 upgrade before releasing an all new unit that costs even more? Especially when in many regards the new unit actually offers less? Of course it may have some cool things we don't know about, or the preliminary pics of the back may be just that, preliminary. But the Gen 3 isn't looking as good as an upgraded Gen 2 to me. And that's why I'm starting to doubt the Gen 2 height channel upgrade will ever see the light of day. I don't believe that Emotiva would do a Gen 3 without making it a very worthwhile upgrade over the Gen 2. There's certainly enough processor upgrade technology around for things like Dirac Live 2.0, with multiple base maps network & internet based control (over wi-fi or wired network), firmware updates using that network, built in blu tooth, an even more "hot rodded" (Dan's original XMC-1 description) pre amp section, Auro processing, higher speed input and output sampling rates etc etc. There's lots of possibilities within the same hardware footprint that would be appreciated by the majority of potential and existing customers. Cheers Gary |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 31, 2018 5:55:23 GMT -5
Edit: Unfortunately its because of this that I'm really starting to wonder if the Gen 2 (the original) will actually ever get the height channel update people were promised. We basically know (sort of) that the Gen 3 is coming after the RMC, and that the Gen 2 upgrade is coming after that. Of course that's not set in stone, but the more time goes by the more I believe it. Why would Emotiva satisfy old users for minimal profit for a $500 upgrade before releasing an all new unit that costs even more? Especially when in many regards the new unit actually offers less? Of course it may have some cool things we don't know about, or the preliminary pics of the back may be just that, preliminary. But the Gen 3 isn't looking as good as an upgraded Gen 2 to me. And that's why I'm starting to doubt the Gen 2 height channel upgrade will ever see the light of day. While they did remove that ‘technology upgrade’ language that used to more specifically define the HDMI and Atmos upgrades, there’s still this statement at the bottom of the XMC-1 description page “ and we have an upgrade in the works which will add support for object-oriented formats like Dolby Atmos and DTS-X.” Of course as Yogi used to say, “it ain’t Atmos until it’s Atmos”. I suppose if they released the upgrade first, they could get $500 out of you, then they release the Gen 3 or RMC and you go “ooh, I liked those Atmos things, gimme some of the fresh ones over there in the produce section” ... or something like that. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 31, 2018 7:56:34 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, Thinking about buying the new xmc-1. I have not found any recent user reviews, a lot of the new board update though. Looking for input about buying the new version xmc-1. I will split probably 60/40 movies to music. Will play vinyl also. Will be a 5.1 set-up. Thanks. Joe in Mobile You will do real nice with the current XMC. I use it as you in 5.1. Will need a preamp stage for your records. Bill |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 31, 2018 8:42:31 GMT -5
Yep, for sure. And in several practical ways, the Gen 3 is a lesser unit that has been rumored to cost more money. 3 steps forward, 2 steps back, easy. Maybe even 3 forward and 3 back. Edit: Unfortunately its because of this that I'm really starting to wonder if the Gen 2 (the original) will actually ever get the height channel update people were promised. We basically know (sort of) that the Gen 3 is coming after the RMC, and that the Gen 2 upgrade is coming after that. Of course that's not set in stone, but the more time goes by the more I believe it. Why would Emotiva satisfy old users for minimal profit for a $500 upgrade before releasing an all new unit that costs even more? Especially when in many regards the new unit actually offers less? Of course it may have some cool things we don't know about, or the preliminary pics of the back may be just that, preliminary. But the Gen 3 isn't looking as good as an upgraded Gen 2 to me. And that's why I'm starting to doubt the Gen 2 height channel upgrade will ever see the light of day. I don't believe that Emotiva would do a Gen 3 without making it a very worthwhile upgrade over the Gen 2. There's certainly enough processor upgrade technology around for things like Dirac Live 2.0, with multiple base maps network & internet based control (over wi-fi or wired network), firmware updates using that network, built in blu tooth, an even more "hot rodded" (Dan's original XMC-1 description) pre amp section, Auro processing, higher speed input and output sampling rates etc etc. There's lots of possibilities within the same hardware footprint that would be appreciated by the majority of potential and existing customers. Cheers Gary Either way, there will be some big sales spin that will totally ignore the going backwards part. And it will be proclaimed to sound WAY better than the Gen 2 model (which it won't, because if the Gen 2 sounds as good as everyone says, there is no room for WAY better improvment). The new processor will be wildly touted as being able to handle Atmos better, yet I think its basically the same processor that's in the Marantz 8805 already (I could be wrong). I think the main thing it might feature is the Emonence processing feature, which remains to be heard. And possibly the built in Bluetooth as you mentioned. I'm sure you are right, it will have some things to offer, but if the current pictures are accurate, I stick by what I said, 3 steps forward and 2 or 3 steps back at the same time. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 31, 2018 9:27:09 GMT -5
And I forgot to mention one other thing. Newer models are almost always touted as being some revolutionary big deal, under the real guise that they are often just better excuses or the only excuses to raise prices. Raising prices on existing models is a harder sell and doesn't fly well with the public. This holds true everywhere, not just in this industry or Emotiva.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 31, 2018 10:20:10 GMT -5
I don't believe that Emotiva would do a Gen 3 without making it a very worthwhile upgrade over the Gen 2. There's certainly enough processor upgrade technology around for things like Dirac Live 2.0, with multiple base maps network & internet based control (over wi-fi or wired network), firmware updates using that network, built in blu tooth, an even more "hot rodded" (Dan's original XMC-1 description) pre amp section, Auro processing, higher speed input and output sampling rates etc etc. There's lots of possibilities within the same hardware footprint that would be appreciated by the majority of potential and existing customers. Cheers Gary Either way, there will be some big sales spin that will totally ignore the going backwards part. And it will be proclaimed to sound WAY better than the Gen 2 model (which it won't, because if the Gen 2 sounds as good as everyone says, there is no room for WAY better improvment). The new processor will be wildly touted as being able to handle Atmos better, yet I think its basically the same processor that's in the Marantz 8805 already (I could be wrong). I think the main thing it might feature is the Emonence processing feature, which remains to be heard. And possibly the built in Bluetooth as you mentioned. I'm sure you are right, it will have some things to offer, but if the current pictures are accurate, I stick by what I said, 3 steps forward and 2 or 3 steps back at the same time. When you refer to two or three steps back, are you just referring to the decrease of Analog inputs, or is there other things that you think will be a step back on the XMC-G3? I am just wondering what you feel may be missing form this unit . I am not trying to be critical of your position at all, I am just wondering what you would think would hold back the G3. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 31, 2018 10:43:45 GMT -5
When you refer to two or three steps back, are you just referring to the decrease of Analog inputs, or is there other things that you think will be a step back on the XMC-G3? I am just wondering what you feel may be missing form this unit . I am not trying to be critical of your position at all, I am just wondering what you would think would hold back the G3. Since you are a bit new around here, I'll let you slide this time for not knowing.   I am the resident input / output freak. It absolutely is a huge hang up of mine. It's not just with Emotiva (actually, even with their flaws they come in higher than others), it's with the entire industry. For example, the entire industry has given up on analog tape loop outputs, as well as just simple record outputs. And much of the industry has also abandoned Toslink or RCA digital outputs (Emotiva still has them). For the Gen 3 unit, it's clearly gone backwards from the Gen 2 in this regard. - No more 7.1 inputs (to use Oppo's DAC's for multi-channel music) - One less analog stereo input (4 vs 5) - No more dual zone outputs (although one was more a tape output) - No more tape record output (important to me) - No more dual RCA / XLR outputs for those who like to bi-amp, or for someone like klinemj who uses this to run his sub Yet the Gen 3 adds 2 more digital inputs for a total of 8. Why? Was 6 not enough for almost anyone? What I wanted to see with the Gen 3 unit was simply the Gen 2 unit (with better innards if they want), and the extra 4 height channel capability. But it's not. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jul 31, 2018 10:51:58 GMT -5
Well, they did execute on quite a few upgrades on the XMC-1, Gen2. But at some point you really need to revise the basic chassis. The newer design may offer better controls, displays, and/or inter-chassis interconnects, etc. And, from Emotiva’s standpoint, making the XMC-1, Gen3 share as many elements as possible with the RMC-1, means they can significantly lower costs in development, maintenance, manufacturing, and support ... and that allows them to sell higher end products to us at lower costs while still maintaining a margin which allows the to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads.
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