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Post by brians7 on Aug 8, 2018 21:03:31 GMT -5
... I proposed that one big question Emotiva should be able to answer by now is which expansion modules are planed first. Not when or even how much they will cost, but which ones? I'm also not sure if they have clarified if they could be user installed or not. That would be nice to know. I'll say if there are accessible slots on the rear panel (as was shown at CEDIA 2017 I believe), and they're not user installable, then why bother, they have to be. The multi-port sub module seemed a popular idea, phono module would interest me. Hey about that they won Best CEDIA (Emotiva’s RMC-1 demo left me so impressed with its overall price-performance ratio,I awarded the entire system a “Best of CEDIA 2017” award) for a product that might come come out in a year on two. Is that fair to the other vendors at the show?
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 8, 2018 21:36:55 GMT -5
The same was said about the 2018 thread in 2017 Nope, because the 2018 Thread didn't start until January 6th, 2018. Wasn't there a RMC-1 Coming in 2017 thread? It won a CEDIA best new product award in January 2017 ............... that's almost 20 months ago Cheers Gary
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 8, 2018 22:07:29 GMT -5
Nope, because the 2018 Thread didn't start until January 6th, 2018. Wasn't there a RMC-1 Coming in 2017 thread? It won a CEDIA best new product award in January 2017 ............... that's almost 20 months ago Cheers Gary CEDIA 2017 was in Sept 2017, so almost a year ago.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 8, 2018 22:15:56 GMT -5
I'll say if there are accessible slots on the rear panel (as was shown at CEDIA 2017 I believe), and they're not user installable, then why bother, they have to be. The multi-port sub module seemed a popular idea, phono module would interest me. Hey about that they won Best CEDIA (Emotiva’s RMC-1 demo left me so impressed with its overall price-performance ratio,I awarded the entire system a “Best of CEDIA 2017” award) for a product that might come come out in a year on two. Is that fair to the other vendors at the show? You’d have to take that up with the person giving the award, however I think he’s already taken a bit of flak on that.
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 8, 2018 22:47:03 GMT -5
Wasn't there a RMC-1 Coming in 2017 thread? It won a CEDIA best new product award in January 2017 ............... that's almost 20 months ago CEDIA 2017 was in Sept 2017, so almost a year ago. You're right, it's CES that's in January, I get them confused. Cheers Gary
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 8, 2018 22:55:49 GMT -5
Hey about that they won Best CEDIA (Emotiva’s RMC-1 demo left me so impressed with its overall price-performance ratio,I awarded the entire system a “Best of CEDIA 2017” award) for a product that might come come out in a year on two. Is that fair to the other vendors at the show? You’d have to take that up with the person giving the award, however I think he’s already taken a bit of flak on that. Quite possible Dan told him "it was just around the corner" so the guy believed him since there was one physical product sitting there. Of course us daily readers know better. 🤧
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Post by brutiarti on Aug 9, 2018 6:15:11 GMT -5
Nope, because the 2018 Thread didn't start until January 6th, 2018. Wasn't there a RMC-1 Coming in 2017 thread? It won a CEDIA best new product award in January 2017 ............... that's almost 20 months ago Cheers Gary They didn’t win a CEDIA award. They won a AVS forum award for best new product AT CEDIA.
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Post by brians7 on Aug 9, 2018 7:46:56 GMT -5
Wasn't there a RMC-1 Coming in 2017 thread? It won a CEDIA best new product award in January 2017 ............... that's almost 20 months ago Cheers Gary They didn’t win a CEDIA award. They won a AVS forum award for best new product AT CEDIA. Ok thanks but was that fair to the other vendors at the show?
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Post by brutiarti on Aug 9, 2018 7:52:39 GMT -5
They didn’t win a CEDIA award. They won a AVS forum award for best new product AT CEDIA. Ok thanks but was that fair to the other vendors at the show? I'm not saying that. But saying that they won an oficial CEDIA award affects the credibility of the show itself. I will complain with the people that gave the award.
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Post by rbk123 on Aug 9, 2018 8:53:58 GMT -5
They didn’t win a CEDIA award. They won a AVS forum award for best new product AT CEDIA. Ok thanks but was that fair to the other vendors at the show? Who are you directing that at? It's not Emo's fault the AVS guy gave them the award, so like AudioHT mentioned, I hope you're directing that to the AVS guy. Emo has bungled more than a little bit on the RMC but this isn't one of them.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 9, 2018 9:24:49 GMT -5
Emo has bungled more than a little bit on the RMC but this isn't one of them. Well none of us know exactly what was said at the show to have the guy give the award. But what I do know is that Dan gets overly excited about his stuff, has a big mouth, and over promisses quite believably. If there were money on the table and I had to bet, I'd most certainly bet Dan led the guy to believe that the RMC delivery was "just around the corner" with "just a few tweaks to be worked out." I certainly don't know that for sure, but odds are high something like that took place. So in other words, I disagree with you. Emotiva was most certainly at least part of the bungle on this one.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 9, 2018 9:36:57 GMT -5
... I proposed that one big question Emotiva should be able to answer by now is which expansion modules are planed first. Not when or even how much they will cost, but which ones? I'm also not sure if they have clarified if they could be user installed or not. That would be nice to know. I'll say if there are accessible slots on the rear panel (as was shown at CEDIA 2017 I believe), and they're not user installable, then why bother, they have to be. The multi-port sub module seemed a popular idea, phono module would interest me. What do you mean why bother? To add more functionality that's why. They absolutely most certainly do NOT "have to be" user installable. Even if you have to send the unit back, that's better than not being able add the boards at all. If you want that, then just get an XMC-3. The most important reason for the question is because odds are high all the expansion modules will not be available at the time the RMC becomes available. I don't have any factual proof saying this, but based on past Emotiva experience they will offer the modules after the RMC comes out. Some modules will come out before others. Some may be quick, but some will surely take a long time. If they are user installable, that certainly makes for buying the RMC right away a more friendly proposal. If one has to send the unit back for modules to be installed, then for some it may be more prudent to wait so they can be installed before shipping the unit. Or it could depend on the module and the complexity. Something simple may be user installable, but something else might not. Which leads me back to the original question of which modules are slated to be designed and produced first. And then after?
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 9, 2018 9:41:34 GMT -5
Screwing people has a domino effect; I blame ADI and Panasonic.
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Post by brians7 on Aug 9, 2018 9:56:38 GMT -5
You’d have to take that up with the person giving the award, however I think he’s already taken a bit of flak on that. Quite possible Dan told him "it was just around the corner" so the guy believed him since there was one physical product sitting there. Of course us daily readers know better. 🤧 I am sure you are right about that and to blame the guy giving the award is questionable at best. Dan being the name behind Emotive should be a creditable source should not have led us to believe me and him that it would be coming out anytime soon you have to wonder what did he say it is like the weekly updates we where told that we would get. So the question more like a thought are a ponder is it fair to submit a product they may are may not be coming out in a year or two and then by excepting the award implies that it is available are are the very least just around the corner.
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Post by rbk123 on Aug 9, 2018 10:01:19 GMT -5
Well none of us know exactly what was said at the show to have the guy give the award. But what I do know is that Dan gets overly excited about his stuff, has a big mouth, and over promisses quite believably. If there were money on the table and I had to bet, I'd most certainly bet Dan led the guy to believe that the RMC delivery was "just around the corner" with "just a few tweaks to be worked out." I certainly don't know that for sure, but odds are high something like that took place. So in other words, I disagree with you. Emotiva was most certainly at least part of the bungle on this one. Everything you said, until the end, is correct. No doubt D promised it would be soon, but that's irrelevant - the system was still a prototype. You don't give awards to prototypes - for one, the proto could be souped up and not match what ends up in production. For 2, proto's may never end up being released for any number of reasons, even if the president says it will be soon. I disagree with you - this is all on the AVS guy; regardless of D's persuasive ways, you don't give awards to prototypes and he should know better. He's not a noob to the industry.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 9, 2018 10:15:21 GMT -5
Well none of us know exactly what was said at the show to have the guy give the award. But what I do know is that Dan gets overly excited about his stuff, has a big mouth, and over promisses quite believably. If there were money on the table and I had to bet, I'd most certainly bet Dan led the guy to believe that the RMC delivery was "just around the corner" with "just a few tweaks to be worked out." I certainly don't know that for sure, but odds are high something like that took place. So in other words, I disagree with you. Emotiva was most certainly at least part of the bungle on this one. Everything you said, until the end, is correct. No doubt D promised it would be soon, but that's irrelevant - the system was still a prototype. You don't give awards to prototypes - for one, the proto could be souped up and not match what ends up in production. For 2, proto's may never end up being released for any number of reasons, even if the president says it will be soon. I disagree with you - this is all on the AVS guy; regardless of D's persuasive ways, you don't give awards to prototypes and he should know better. He's not a noob to the industry. I agree that awards should not be given to prototypes. Perhaps they should have a best prototype of show award? 😀 But on the flip side, we didn't hear any complaining from Emotiva did we. To say they share zero responsibility either way is something we will just have to agree to disagree on. Why? Because if I were offered an award on something that I knew was only a mock up of the real deal, I would have said "thanks for the offer, but its not really being fair at this time, so no thanks. But please come back next year when our production model is final because I'd love to get the award then. I assure you it will be an awesome product." So in the end, IMO,Emotiva still shares some responsibility. But really, water under the bridge. Just another notch in the belt as to why unfortunate conversations like this even have to take place.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 9, 2018 10:26:17 GMT -5
Back on topic, what would be cool is if Emotiva would come on here and make a poll for the modules. Have them make a list of what they consider possible (I mean having a module that makes toast isn't really going to happen), and then let us all vote.
Or perhaps I could make a list from what was brought up in the other thread and go from there?
Yes, no?
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Post by liv2teach on Aug 9, 2018 10:40:00 GMT -5
Emo has bungled more than a little bit on the RMC but this isn't one of them. Well none of us know exactly what was said at the show to have the guy give the award. But what I do know is that Dan gets overly excited about his stuff, has a big mouth, and over promisses quite believably. If there were money on the table and I had to bet, I'd most certainly bet Dan led the guy to believe that the RMC delivery was "just around the corner" with "just a few tweaks to be worked out." I certainly don't know that for sure, but odds are high something like that took place. So in other words, I disagree with you. Emotiva was most certainly at least part of the bungle on this one. Go to this video and watch at 21:50 ...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpmLBqDzFo8&t=1691s
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Post by malba2366 on Aug 9, 2018 10:54:20 GMT -5
Well none of us know exactly what was said at the show to have the guy give the award. But what I do know is that Dan gets overly excited about his stuff, has a big mouth, and over promisses quite believably. If there were money on the table and I had to bet, I'd most certainly bet Dan led the guy to believe that the RMC delivery was "just around the corner" with "just a few tweaks to be worked out." I certainly don't know that for sure, but odds are high something like that took place. So in other words, I disagree with you. Emotiva was most certainly at least part of the bungle on this one. Go to this video and watch at 21:50 ...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpmLBqDzFo8&t=1691sLOL...this is exactly why people are upset with Emotiva and they will end up losing sales. e blam
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Post by rbk123 on Aug 9, 2018 10:54:58 GMT -5
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