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Post by maseline98 on Jun 4, 2009 14:04:50 GMT -5
I was curious how the ERT-8.3 would preform against my klipsch. Klipsch have a direct sound and it's not for everybody, but they can play crazy loud....I have not heard the emo reference line(or any speakers for that matter) and was wondering if anybody had a comparison. I doubt that I would be willing to change out my klipsch, but who knows(I know my soon-to-be wife doesn't want me to for other reasons than sound...lol)
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Post by knucklehead on Jun 4, 2009 20:45:21 GMT -5
I suggest you don't want to hear a pair of ERTs.
The ERTs can play "crazy loud" too. And they sound great doing so. Clean and clear all the way up to ear-bleed levels. And there are no shrill highs.
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Post by altpensacola on Jun 6, 2009 7:54:18 GMT -5
If your room is right, and you have a nice amp (XPA5 in my case) there are no shrill highs with the RF7's either. In fact there were no "shrill highs" when I just used my Kenwood. That internet concept needs to go away just like the one floats around that China only makes junk....... But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in hearing, and owning some ERT's too. In fact, I am seriously considering a pair them for the front room.
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Post by knucklehead on Jun 6, 2009 10:34:44 GMT -5
I've read that many times about the RF-7s and good amps, smooths out the highs. My theory is that the mid and woofer get ample current to be able to keep up with a very sensitive tweeter rather than smoothing it out. Seems logical to me anyway.
As for my "no shrill highs" comment, I've heard more than a few Klipsch speakers and the horn loaded tweeters have always seemed too bright for my ears. Those auditions were probably done with a mid range receiver so may not have been the best setup to listen to.
I'm sensitive to higher frequencies. The soft dome tweeter in the Emo speaker line are very detailed but are not bright or forward. I like it like that. I'd compare it to a Polk tweeter in that regard.
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Post by indyscammer on Jun 6, 2009 10:57:33 GMT -5
If your room is right, and you have a nice amp (XPA5 in my case) there are no shrill highs with the RF7's either. In fact there were no "shrill highs" when I just used my Kenwood. I too do not think my Klipsch have shrill highs...in fact I would call them detailed (note the Yammy POS driving at the moment). I would love to hear the ERTs. I have done an A/B comparison with my Klipsch up against a pair of classic ARs and a pair of B&W 600s. The Klipsch could not approach either in the mid range detail (my Klipsch are 2-ways). Unfortunately the settings (B&K Ref 20/B&K 5x125W) were optomized for the ARs in my neighbors dedicated HT. I have spent considerable time tweaking my system to bring out the mid-range with some success. L/R set to small and I pump everything below 100Hz to the sub. It works in my space. I would look at new speakers but first I need a UMC/XPA combo!! ;D
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Post by bmwfreak on Jun 7, 2009 18:24:05 GMT -5
Man I just came from a Klipsch setup myself (rp3) and I can tell you the 8.3s are where you need to be. I faught the purchase forever but finally took the plunge. You will be sorry if you don't make the move!
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Post by maseline98 on Jun 8, 2009 7:38:07 GMT -5
It would be nice if somebody in the Pittsburgh area would let me audition them
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Post by altpensacola on Jun 10, 2009 10:22:25 GMT -5
Man I just came from a Klipsch setup myself (rp3) and I can tell you the 8.3s are where you need to be. I faught the purchase forever but finally took the plunge. You will be sorry if you don't make the move! RP3 AND RF 7 are not the same.
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Post by flamingeye on Jun 10, 2009 11:50:06 GMT -5
I will also say my klipsch`s are far from shrill and further say the mid and low end is outstanding which gives me poss on ordering the ERT`s ,that said even though my klipsch`s have dual 10" woofers I`m still going to (down the road )audition the ERT`s and if the dual 8" woofers can keep up with my klipsch`s 10" ers then I will keep the ERT`s and order two more
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Post by gocolts on Jun 10, 2009 13:01:29 GMT -5
My Klipsch RF-83's, RC-64, and related surround speakers sound pretty awesome paired with an IPS-1 and Onkyo 885, I must say. Not shrill at all. However, in my 2 channel system I have a pair of older Energy Veritas being run by an RSP-1/UPA-2, and that system is definatley more laid back. However, with the Klipsch, it's garbage in, garbage out. You put your I-pod dock on it with some compressed alternative metal song, it'll sound awful. However, with a clean signal, I find them very impressive.
For movies, a good set of Klipsch are going to be tough to beat, especially with some of the new surround sound formats that seem to really stand out for detail. If your main goal is 2 channel music listening, I haven't made up my mind yet....
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Post by lwt-bo on Jun 17, 2009 12:36:05 GMT -5
I don't have any speakers and haven't heard any worth mentioning, other then some Canton Chrono's and Ergo's...neither were very impressive to me, but the Ergo's weren't too bad.
So why am I posting here?. Because my online researching over the last 5 months has led me to believe the Emotiva 8.3 or the Klipsch RF-7 are what is what I'm going to buy for my 2 channel (or 2.1) listening. I think if I was to get the RF-7 used, I'd want a pair with the DeanG upgraded crossovers. Maseline, do yours have it? Have you looked into it or heard a set that has it?
The problem is the RF-7 is made anymore, so it'll be tough to audition somewhere and until Emotiva announced they were coming the the Rocky Mountain Audiofest, I didn't know how I was going to be able to hear those 8.3's either. Hopefully they bring some to Denver with them.
So basically, I too am very interested in what someone has to say who's heard both these speakers run with a decent set up.
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Post by doug917 on Jun 17, 2009 20:48:43 GMT -5
I used to use the RF-25's for L/R and replaced them with the ERM-1's. The Emotiva speakers have more detail than the Klispch without the highs that wear on me with extended listening. I ERM-1's simply do not wear on me like the Klipsch used to. I am considering grabbing the 8.3's to upgrade the ERM-1's for a better 2-channel environment.
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Post by roadrunner on Jun 17, 2009 23:08:18 GMT -5
lwt-bo
Man, make sure you bring several great audition CDs with you; and make sure you are intimately familiar with how the music should sound. Call Emotiva and find out if they will be showing the ERC-1 at the Rocky Mountain show. If not, try to find someone close to you that has the ERC-1 (if you don't already).
Using the ERC-1 with Emotiva gear and the ERT-8.3 towers you will quickly hear why everyone loves their 8.3s. If you are someone familiar with "live" music all the better. The 8.3s sound so life-like it is spooky. If you audition them, you will buy them!
The ERT-8.3s are, hands down, the best speakers I have heard in over 45 years in the hobby. I truly believe you must spend at least 5 times their cost to find better (if even then).
I have owned Klipsch Cornerhorns and Cornwalls earlier during my addiction to audio gear and I have auditioned countless other high-end models from Klipsch and other vendors. None of them were able to draw me in like the ERT-8.3s did. The ERT's sound-stage is deep and wide; it's clarity and imaging are the best I have ever experienced; and, its overall sound is so engaging you will feel like you can reach out and touch the performers.
Musicians and others who spend a lot of time listening to real life music will instantly fall in love with these speakers. This is where they really shine. They don't sound like speakers -- they sound real. The attack and the decay they reproduce make you think the actual instrument in the room with you. This is an experience rarely heard through any sound system.
You will find this to be a daily occurrence with the ERT-8.3s. This realism cannot be duplicated by any other speaker system without spending many times the price of the Emotiva speaker.
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Post by kfalls on Jun 18, 2009 11:44:24 GMT -5
Like others here, I don't think Klipsch' horns are overly bright. I've owned Klipsch' since the early 80's. I have a pair of Kg4s I'll never part with. They're a well-balanced, well-behaved speaker which can be driven by almost any amp.
I purchased the XPA-5 a couple of weeks ago. I have it connected to another system right now, but plan to see how my Klipsch system sounds with it this weekend. In general I find the XPA-5 "softer" tonally than listening through any of my AV receivers (Denon AVR-3300, Yamaha RX-V2095, Sony STR-DA5300ES). The tone is softer, but the dynamics are much more impressive.
The Klipsch KG4s are mated with a KV3/KLF-C7 (depending on mood) Klipsch RS-3 front and side surrounds and ACI Saturn compound sub. All are very efficient, so don't require anywhere near the 350W-440W (depending on the documentation you read for 4ohm) produced by the XPA-5.
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Post by kensai69 on Jun 18, 2009 12:33:17 GMT -5
The high sensitivity of the Klipsch demands a very clean signal esp on the higher freq register. Most reciever have quite a bit of distortion and noise, making it harsh sounding. What you hear as a smoother / tamed high simply means the XPA-5 has a much cleaner signal thru-out.
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Post by oppman99 on Jun 18, 2009 21:39:54 GMT -5
I've owned a number of Klipsch speakers but nothing like the Cornwalls. I do find most of them fatiguing. I have heard good things about the RF-7's though. I'd pick the Emotivas since they are a 3-way design. Most Klipsch are lacking in the midrange from the listening experience I've had with them.
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Post by lwt-bo on Jun 19, 2009 9:06:09 GMT -5
Most Klipsch are lacking in the midrange from the listening experience I've had with them. I've heard the same thing about the RF-7s and it's a concern of mine. I've read the review of the ERT 8.3s and it doesn't sound like I should be concerned about the bass, but that is where my 8.3 concern lies. Right now my plan (which has changed as many times as I've had one over the last few months) is to buy some used RF-7s an RPA 1 or RPA-2, or an XPA-5...hell, or XPA-2 I don't know. Listen to this until Oct when hopefully I'll get to hear the ERT 8.3's in Denver. If I like them also, then I'll pick some up, do a head to head and keep what ever I like best and sell the other. I'd also like to try out a couple of different pre-amps. A tube one, preferably the Bob Carver Sunfire classic (tube with tone controls that I think looks a little better then the Vincent SA T1, but the Sunfire is hard to find so I may end up with the Vincent) and the Emotiva RSP-1 or 2 or ...RSP 3 (is that wish for thinking for Oct)? I am on a budget, but even the most expensive version of the options listed above wouldn't blow it by too much once I have what I like best and sold off what I didn't.
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Post by darkvisions on Jun 19, 2009 9:28:45 GMT -5
I was too concerned about the bass in the 8.3's as my 20+ year old Snells (which died on me) had a lower frequency response.
Those fears were quickly put to rest. I don't use a sub for 2 channel and there is plenty of bass, no worries in that area for me.
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Post by lwt-bo on Jun 19, 2009 9:42:09 GMT -5
I was too concerned about the bass in the 8.3's as my 20+ year old Snells (which died on me) had a lower frequency response. Those fears were quickly put to rest. I don't use a sub for 2 channel and there is plenty of bass, no worries in that area for me. I've heard the room can affect the sound quite a bit. Mind if I ask your room size and height.
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Post by darkvisions on Jun 19, 2009 14:45:47 GMT -5
I believe 12x18 with a standard ceiling for a NE Cape. I also have a bay window on one side, a kitchen entrance on the other with the front door, stairs going upstairs and an opening to another room on the opposite side of where my tv and equipment is. I probably need some acoustic treatments but I am a extremely happy with how it sounds and that is what this hobby is all about.. Here are some photos of my set up emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mediareviews&action=display&thread=5223
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