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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 24, 2018 17:02:36 GMT -5
I currently run 5.1.2 and I am very happy. (in my best Floyd the barber voice) Oh, but Andy, haven’t you heard 5.1.2+ just came out? and then there's the Premium 5.1.2+ upgrade we’re waiting for, oh my, then next year we’ll have Ultra Premium 5.1.2+. Oh, and have you seen the holes Barney’s cutting in his ceiling? My my my, Oh no Andy, we can’t have you being happy when there’s so much going on in town. Yes, I’d be worried if I were you. ✂️ 💈 (and now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast) |
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Post by DYohn on Oct 24, 2018 17:21:58 GMT -5
I currently run 5.1.2 and I am very happy. (in my best Floyd the barber voice) Oh, but Andy, haven’t you heard 5.1.2+ just came out? and then there's the Premium 5.1.2+ upgrade we’re waiting for, oh my, then next year we’ll have Ultra Premium 5.1.2+. Oh, and have you seen the holes Barney’s cutting in his ceiling? My my my, Oh no Andy, we can’t have you being happy when there’s so much going on in town. Yes, I’d be worried if I were you. ✂️ 💈 (and now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast) Hahaha. Sounds like my wife: "Why should we spend our money on a 4K screen when 8K will probably be out next year?" |
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 24, 2018 17:57:53 GMT -5
I think it very much depends on the room, and how much money you have.
For my room, I can't do wides. There is a door one one side and a window on the other, so not happening. I don't see the point of front heights, and besides, I like my decorations there. On the ceiling I'm going to put in 6 and be done. Any more would be overkill. Room is about 15 x 25. I will be running 4 speakers for the backs though. So if there ever comes a day where 9.3.6 could make use of rear sides, then I could do that. Otherwise, after 7.3.6, I'm done.
I think most people who even venture into Atmos will either have 5.1.4, 7.1.4, or 7.1.6. Anything else will be purely niche for dedicated theater people.
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Post by musicfan on Oct 25, 2018 6:19:37 GMT -5
I bought an atmos AVR the day they came available in ocitiber of 2014? I think
I started at 5.2.2. Then decided to try 5.2.4. And it was a quite noticeable upgrade. Overhead pens from
Back to front etc were much more convincing.
Once I finished my room (prior I didn’t have a back wall anywhere near the seating) I added the back surround. While no wher near as noticeable as the addition of top 2 it Is still noticeable
So imho 5.x.4 is MINIMUM you want for good well done atmos
I currently run 7.4.4 and my room is 16x11x7.5
So a small room. Going over 7.4.4 the room size would matter. Mine would not benefit. Maybe from wides. But I don’t think the investment at this point would be worth the upgrade.
6 overheads is for rooms with 2 rows of seating.
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 25, 2018 9:19:03 GMT -5
(in my best Floyd the barber voice) Oh, but Andy, haven’t you heard 5.1.2+ just came out? and then there's the Premium 5.1.2+ upgrade we’re waiting for, oh my, then next year we’ll have Ultra Premium 5.1.2+. Oh, and have you seen the holes Barney’s cutting in his ceiling? My my my, Oh no Andy, we can’t have you being happy when there’s so much going on in town. Yes, I’d be worried if I were you. ✂️ 💈 (and now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast) A truly superb Floyd rendition; an underappreciated great from that show. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 25, 2018 14:41:37 GMT -5
I started at 5.2.2. Then decided to try 5.2.4. And it was a quite noticeable upgrade. Overhead pens fromBack to front etc were much more convincing. That’s one of the reasons why, in my friends 5.1.2, we found the ceilings speakers better along the room than across it. The room is a bit longer than it is wider, but most of the overhead sound effects (from our test of 20 or so movies) were front to rear, with very few side to side. Cheers Gary |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 25, 2018 17:09:05 GMT -5
If you REALLY think.....ATMOS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, only two hurdles remain:
How much money 💰 you got?
How much room you got?
Bill
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Post by amped on Oct 28, 2018 13:22:40 GMT -5
A properly matched and placed FULL RANGE 5 or 6(used as a center back) identical channels(not including bass/subs)and a very good decoder that steers well is all you need! You can't tell me that a difference in .0005 in delay time or a 7th 8th or 9th channel is going to give you anymore realism to your experience unless you have a HUGE room in which those extra channels are necessary because of the distance between the channels and varied seating positions. People who have a 12x15 room and 10 channels are hilarious but I am happy you exist because you and your $ keep this forum alive!
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Post by musicfan on Oct 28, 2018 14:03:13 GMT -5
A properly matched and placed FULL RANGE 5 or 6(used as a center back) identical channels(not including bass/subs)and a very good decoder that steers well is all you need! You can't tell me that a difference in .0005 in delay time or a 7th 8th or 9th channel is going to give you anymore realism to your experience unless you have a HUGE room in which those extra channels are necessary because of the distance between the channels and varied seating positions. People who have a 12x15 room and 10 channels are hilarious but I am happy you exist because you and your $ keep this forum alive! have you heard said room and its difference? if not..you cannot make assumptions and it in fact makes a very noticeable difference....do a little research and dont be a non believer because YOU dont want atmos...and want to make yourself feel better |
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Post by musicfan on Oct 28, 2018 14:05:28 GMT -5
I started at 5.2.2. Then decided to try 5.2.4. And it was a quite noticeable upgrade. Overhead pens fromBack to front etc were much more convincing. That’s one of the reasons why, in my friends 5.1.2, we found the ceilings speakers better along the room than across it. The room is a bit longer than it is wider, but most of the overhead sound effects (from our test of 20 or so movies) were front to rear, with very few side to side. Cheers Gary great test for side to side..is the papers going through their tubes in Fanstastic beasts....in the mail room scene near the beginning... |
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Post by musicfan on Oct 28, 2018 14:06:19 GMT -5
If you REALLY think.....ATMOS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, only two hurdles remain: How much money 💰 you got? How much room you got? Bill no not really. my room is small...and it cost me very little to get HIGH quality ATMOS. |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 28, 2018 15:46:13 GMT -5
If you REALLY think.....ATMOS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, only two hurdles remain: How much money 💰 you got? How much room you got? Bill no not really. my room is small...and it cost me very little to get HIGH quality ATMOS. Musicfan, Yours is a perfect and common sense answer. The size of the room determines the layout and number of speakers. Bill |
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 28, 2018 17:21:04 GMT -5
If you REALLY think.....ATMOS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, only two hurdles remain: How much money 💰 you got? How much room you got? Bill no not really. my room is small...and it cost me very little to get HIGH quality ATMOS. Ditto, I have 2 channels in the XPA-5 that I can free up from Zone 2 duties. My speaker supplier has a pair of realtively inexpensive celing speakers that are on my list. Just as soon as the Atmos/DTS-X board is available for the XMC-1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by amped on Oct 29, 2018 8:39:57 GMT -5
A properly matched and placed FULL RANGE 5 or 6(used as a center back) identical channels(not including bass/subs)and a very good decoder that steers well is all you need! You can't tell me that a difference in .0005 in delay time or a 7th 8th or 9th channel is going to give you anymore realism to your experience unless you have a HUGE room in which those extra channels are necessary because of the distance between the channels and varied seating positions. People who have a 12x15 room and 10 channels are hilarious but I am happy you exist because you and your $ keep this forum alive! have you heard said room and its difference? if not..you cannot make assumptions and it in fact makes a very noticeable difference....do a little research and dont be a non believer because YOU dont want atmos...and want to make yourself feel better First this isn't a religion to me so I don't have to "believe" in Atmos but I will say I don't worship at the Dolby nor the DTS Alter. Second, I have a close buddy whom is a huge HT guy and yes he has a very hi end Atmos system with in ceilings and front in walls and a 24X30 room and yes it sounds very good so yes I can state an opinion based on listening I wouldn't call it "research" just good old fashioned listening. I don't need to make myself "feel better" for NOT buying something but I bet many more folks have to justify spending $ on "improvements" that seem to come every other year. I started out with "Prologic" in 1990 and watching a movie on a 27 inch CRT TV thinking this is it we have reached the summit of home entertainment but it got better, I feel the last true HUGE difference in HT was digital full range discrete channels and most everything since then has been marketing improvements. Maybe that's why you can get 25 different home theater systems at WAL-MART but you know what you cant get at WAL-MART a 2 channel system why? Because there is no $ in it. So enjoy your system (whatever it may be)! That being said lighten up Francis. |
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Post by musicfan on Oct 29, 2018 8:44:14 GMT -5
apparently you didnt actually read my post....have you listened to a SMALL home theater that the extra channels didnt make a marked improvement...
if no, you HAVEN'T done your research yet preach it as a non beleiver. so your opinion means zero
as for "having to buy ther latest gear" for me i had extra speakers laying around...at the time my unfinished basement was my HT...so super easy to install...and if i didnt find it an improvement I was out return shipping of the AVR. so I had LITTLE invested if it didnt sound that much better....spoiler....it was amazing
and btw.
you just made the list
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Post by garbulky on Oct 29, 2018 9:42:47 GMT -5
Dang!  |
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Post by amped on Oct 30, 2018 8:54:12 GMT -5
Dang! Dang is right!! Really? "The list" I have to say I don't really take things that personal but whatever helps. Hate to see what happens when the burger comes out medium and not rare... |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 30, 2018 9:40:19 GMT -5
No offense to Keith but I think the thread’s title invites a bit of trolling. The title should be “how many speakers are too many to see benefit in Atmos?” I’ve enjoyed 7 channel sound with planar speakers and while the imaging is great and their sense of height sounds good I don’t think that answer actually has a place here as it’s not based on any valid Atmos spectrum without height speakers. It’s not like someone wouldn’t see a large benefit in certain movies having properly placed height speakers. The thread achieves nothing except getting the debate out of the RMC-1 thread and avoiding the pinning 7.1.4 debate as well as the 28 speakers with 20 speaker layout Atmos support and what that means and where it’s going.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 30, 2018 9:59:12 GMT -5
This one is sort of obvious. Trick question, perhaps since the formats in the aforementioned title are "object based" with locations......not channels. Bill |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 30, 2018 11:03:52 GMT -5
I agree about the title being somewhat suggestive.... However, in fact, some people are quite convinced that 9.1.6 channels still won't be enough... while others are quite satisfied with stereo... and many seem quite satisfied with 5.1 or 7.1 channels.
You may be surprised to know that, not only are there people who fail to see "a large benefit to lots of height channels", but there are even people who see no benefit to height channels at all, and a few who are still satisfied with stereo.
So, I would characterize it as a lively debate with many different opinions... which simply makes it interesting.
And, yes, that is exactly what this was intended to achieve; the MAIN reason for creating this thread was to drag the "how many channels" and "pinned channels" debates out of the RMC-1 thread.
The RMC-1 decodes all Dolby Atmos content according to the requirements of the Dolby Atmos standard. The Dolby Atmos license forbids using other commercial up-mixers with Dolby Atmos content (Dolby wants Atmos content to be decoded using their approved Atmos decoder). The license allows vendors to develop and include their own proprietary up-mixers, but we have no plans to do so with the RMC-1.
The whole question of whether "pinned 7.1.4 channel Atmos" is "a good idea" or not would seem to be a question for content producers - like Disney Studios. It's obviously a current topic, and we certainly have no intention of preventing it from being discussed, but it does seem to be a distraction in the RMC-1 thread. (And there seems to be enough interest on that topic to risk pulling the thread off of its main topic - which is the RMC-1.)
Likewise, one of the main features of the RMC-1 is being able to decode a full 16 channels for Atmos... and the ability to expand it to even more channels with future expansion modules.
And, while there are certainly other things about the RMC-1 that make it highly desirable besides Atmos and DTS-X, "Do You really Need an RMC-1" seems slightly inappropriate for discussion in a thread ABOUT the RMC-1.
(Odds are most people are in the RMC-1 thread because they believe they need or want it  .) Therefore, I have also split that into a separate topic.
No offense to Keith but I think the thread’s title invites a bit of trolling. The title should be “how many speakers are too many to see benefit in Atmos?” I’ve enjoyed 7 channel sound with planar speakers and while the imaging is great and their sense of height sounds good I don’t think that answer actually has a place here as it’s not based on any valid Atmos spectrum without height speakers. It’s not like someone wouldn’t see a large benefit in certain movies having properly placed height speakers. The thread achieves nothing except getting the debate out of the RMC-1 thread and avoiding the pinning 7.1.4 debate as well as the 28 speakers with 20 speaker layout Atmos support and what that means and where it’s going. |
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