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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 14, 2018 4:03:57 GMT -5
The ifixit teardown has been posted, as expected, upgrading RAM isn’t trivial, they give it a 6 out of 10 (with 10 being easiest). www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Mac+mini+Late+2018+Teardown/115210Here’s a video teardown, more detail than the step by step above, good viewing if your thinking of doing the RAM upgrade yourself. It does look similar to replacing a drive on the 2012, with the 8GB base you might not have to do this right away. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Nov 14, 2018 5:21:06 GMT -5
I purchased this last year to stream...no problems/excellant
Mac Mini-1.4ghz-4GB/500-5000 $399.00 at Mac Mall
While it may not be the LATEST it does the job. My only use for the Mac Mini Is to stream my music from TIDAL using AIRSERVER.
If you want the latest it maybe prudent to check out Mac Mall.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 14, 2018 7:40:05 GMT -5
gary Cook - if your employer gives you a slow Windows 10 machine, it's your employer's fault. I have 2 Windows 10 machines at home. From the time I hit the power button, it takes about 20 seconds to log in and start working.
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Post by bluemeanies on Nov 15, 2018 5:07:18 GMT -5
gary Cook - if your employer gives you a slow Windows 10 machine, it's your employer's fault. I have 2 Windows 10 machines at home. From the time I hit the power button, it takes about 20 seconds to log in and start working. I am not knowable about what is consider a good or bad speed. I have the fastest service from my carrier COMCAST and after I read you post wilburrhegoose I deceided to put it to the test with the stopwatch on my iPhone. 2minutes... this includes opening-up AIR-SEVER, which is a program that I always leave open for streaming. Now this was done early AM...to me it seem to take longer than usual. I always thought before this test it took about a minute. Definitely it was slower this morning. Getting a storm out here in the Philadelphia...don't know if that could have anything to do with the speed. Not making excuses. It is what it is...I don't mind the wait. At any rate, I am leaving it alone. If I have to wait that's the way it goes. A small price to pay IMO however I am not working using my mini. It's all pleasure. 😂 There is a lot of info on that Mini...couple thousand pics. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. How fast should it open up and ready to go? Thanks, blue |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 15, 2018 5:35:46 GMT -5
gary Cook - if your employer gives you a slow Windows 10 machine, it's your employer's fault. I have 2 Windows 10 machines at home. From the time I hit the power button, it takes about 20 seconds to log in and start working. Try a 43 workbook Excel spreadsheet with around 15,000 formulas. They are over 5 times slower with Windows 10 than with Windows 7, on the same lap top. It’s not hardware related. Cheers Gary |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 15, 2018 7:18:27 GMT -5
gary Cook - if your employer gives you a slow Windows 10 machine, it's your employer's fault. I have 2 Windows 10 machines at home. From the time I hit the power button, it takes about 20 seconds to log in and start working. Try a 43 workbook Excel spreadsheet with around 15,000 formulas. They are over 5 times slower with Windows 10 than with Windows 7, on the same lap top. It’s not hardware related. Cheers Gary Sounds like your PC is misconfigured. For that type of work, you need a lot of memory. And probably an i7 Quad Core CPU. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 15, 2018 7:24:18 GMT -5
bluemeanies - I don't have knowledge of how quickly a Mac should boot.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 15, 2018 8:36:32 GMT -5
gary Cook - if your employer gives you a slow Windows 10 machine, it's your employer's fault. I have 2 Windows 10 machines at home. From the time I hit the power button, it takes about 20 seconds to log in and start working. I am not knowable about what is consider a good or bad speed. I have the fastest service from my carrier COMCAST and after I read you post wilburrhegoose I deceided to put it to the test with the stopwatch on my iPhone. 2minutes... this includes opening-up AIR-SEVER, which is a program that I always leave open for streaming. Now this was done early AM...to me it seem to take longer than usual. I always thought before this test it took about a minute. Definitely it was slower this morning. Getting a storm out here in the Philadelphia...don't know if that could have anything to do with the speed. Not making excuses. It is what it is...I don't mind the wait. At any rate, I am leaving it alone. If I have to wait that's the way it goes. A small price to pay IMO however I am not working using my mini. It's all pleasure. 😂 There is a lot of info on that Mini...couple thousand pics. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. How fast should it open up and ready to go? Thanks, blue A big consideration for boot speed is drive speed, one of my minis has an SSD and it also boots in about 20 seconds, my other mini with a spinning disk takes about twice as long. My MacBook also has an SSD and Bootcamp, so it can boot into either Mojave or Windows 10, the boot speed is about the same for either OS. I don’t consider Windows 10 slow and somewhat like it, but I also don’t use spreadsheets like Gary Cook describes, Visio is my resource hog in Windows and it works well for me in both a Windows 7 VM and Windows 10 Bootcamp. To answer your question, a mini with a spinning disk should probably boot in about 30 to 45 seconds, if it takes longer than a minute you should probably see what’s loading at startup. All OSs can slow down over time as you load more apps and services, sometimes it’s best to back them up and do a clean install of the OS, then just reload only what you need. But as you’re using it for a music server, boot speed isn’t so important. |
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Post by creimes on Nov 15, 2018 9:40:44 GMT -5
So has anyone here ordered the new Mini yet or have one ??
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Post by novisnick on Nov 15, 2018 9:46:27 GMT -5
So has anyone here ordered the new Mini yet or have one ?? Gary Cook has one. easy memory upgrade he claims. |
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Post by creimes on Nov 15, 2018 9:57:04 GMT -5
So has anyone here ordered the new Mini yet or have one ?? Gary Cook has one. easy memory upgrade he claims. I don't think that's the 2018 model he has |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 15, 2018 10:19:42 GMT -5
So has anyone here ordered the new Mini yet or have one ?? I’ve thought about getting one to play with while I’m in my winter home, but I’d really want a 4K TV/Monitor to go with it and that would be one more thing to fit in my already packed car for the trip home in the spring. Besides my MacBook works fine for what I do here. Getting close to pulling the trigger on a new iPad Pro though, which is what I use most. Then my current iPad will go to my wife who wants thumbprint security, and her’s will hit Craigslist or go to a sister (nice to be at the top of the tech food chain and be promoted to upgrade). 🤓 I’m waiting to see if Apple has any Black Friday promos, not likely on something new like this, but maybe. 🤞 |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 15, 2018 10:20:26 GMT -5
So has anyone here ordered the new Mini yet or have one ?? Gary Cook has one. easy memory upgrade he claims. Pretty sure he doesn’t have a 2018, watch the video, you’ll see it’s not so easy. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 15, 2018 10:37:18 GMT -5
“With my current MacMini I ordered it online” yes gentlemen, his very first sentence! LOL I should learn to READ all of the words.
I stand corrected. 😲
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Post by bluemeanies on Nov 15, 2018 12:43:06 GMT -5
I am not knowable about what is consider a good or bad speed. I have the fastest service from my carrier COMCAST and after I read you post wilburrhegoose I deceided to put it to the test with the stopwatch on my iPhone. 2minutes... this includes opening-up AIR-SEVER, which is a program that I always leave open for streaming. Now this was done early AM...to me it seem to take longer than usual. I always thought before this test it took about a minute. Definitely it was slower this morning. Getting a storm out here in the Philadelphia...don't know if that could have anything to do with the speed. Not making excuses. It is what it is...I don't mind the wait. At any rate, I am leaving it alone. If I have to wait that's the way it goes. A small price to pay IMO however I am not working using my mini. It's all pleasure. 😂 There is a lot of info on that Mini...couple thousand pics. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. How fast should it open up and ready to go? Thanks, blue A big consideration for boot speed is drive speed, one of my minis has an SSD and it also boots in about 20 seconds, my other mini with a spinning disk takes about twice as long. My MacBook also has an SSD and Bootcamp, so it can boot into either Mojave or Windows 10, the boot speed is about the same for either OS. I don’t consider Windows 10 slow and somewhat like it, but I also don’t use spreadsheets like Gary Cook describes, Visio is my resource hog in Windows and it works well for me in both a Windows 7 VM and Windows 10 Bootcamp. To answer your question, a mini with a spinning disk should probably boot in about 30 to 45 seconds, if it takes longer than a minute you should probably see what’s loading at startup. All OSs can slow down over time as you load more apps and services, sometimes it’s best to back them up and do a clean install of the OS, then just reload only what you need. But as you’re using it for a music server, boot speed isn’t so important. Thank you audiohtit...I always leave AUDIOSERVER open and for TIDAL I never sign out. Those two things I thought were probably the issue but I was guessing. I just turn on the Mini 10 minutes ago and used my stopwatch from my phone and this time was 1minute 30 seconds...that does not both me...everything after that is almost immediately....thanks again for your response. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 15, 2018 14:55:09 GMT -5
Try a 43 workbook Excel spreadsheet with around 15,000 formulas. They are over 5 times slower with Windows 10 than with Windows 7, on the same lap top. It’s not hardware related. Sounds like your PC is misconfigured. For that type of work, you need a lot of memory. And probably an i7 Quad Core CPU. The hardware (processor, ram etc) gives perfectly acceptable response using Windows 7 but totally unacceptable results using Windows 10, that’s with the same spreadsheets. I have also written brand new much simpler spreadsheets on the laptop that runs Windows 10 that run slowly, but they run much faster on my old lap top (slower processor, less ram) running Windows 7. I’m not unique, it’s a known issue that large spreadsheet users are finding. Cheers Gary |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 15, 2018 16:03:49 GMT -5
The biggest benefit of an SSD for a computer used to play music is boot time. Even on a really slow computer, you'll see much quicker boot times when you switch to an SSD. Also, because SSDs have very quick random seek times compared to spinning discs, a computer with an SSD will much LESS from "slowing down after you use it a lot". (That happens mostly because files get heavily fragmented, which as a big issue with a spinning disc, but not very important with an SSD.)
I should also remind everyone that all of those things that may load at startup and slow down your computer are ESPECIALLY BAD if you're using it to serve or play music.
A big consideration for boot speed is drive speed, one of my minis has an SSD and it also boots in about 20 seconds, my other mini with a spinning disk takes about twice as long. My MacBook also has an SSD and Bootcamp, so it can boot into either Mojave or Windows 10, the boot speed is about the same for either OS. I don’t consider Windows 10 slow and somewhat like it, but I also don’t use spreadsheets like Gary Cook describes, Visio is my resource hog in Windows and it works well for me in both a Windows 7 VM and Windows 10 Bootcamp. To answer your question, a mini with a spinning disk should probably boot in about 30 to 45 seconds, if it takes longer than a minute you should probably see what’s loading at startup. All OSs can slow down over time as you load more apps and services, sometimes it’s best to back them up and do a clean install of the OS, then just reload only what you need. But as you’re using it for a music server, boot speed isn’t so important. Thank you audiohtit...I always leave AUDIOSERVER open and for TIDAL I never sign out. Those two things I thought were probably the issue but I was guessing. I just turn on the Mini 10 minutes ago and used my stopwatch from my phone and this time was 1minute 30 seconds...that does not both me...everything after that is almost immediately....thanks again for your response. |
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Post by beercanchicken on Nov 18, 2018 12:35:45 GMT -5
My disappointment is the price. The Mac-Mini used to be the only affordable way into the Apple world; alas, no more. I might rush out and buy last year's MM while I still can. /b No doubt, I was messing around with configurations yesterday and....wow. I swear I remember when they were $399-499. Granted the new specs are impressive but the cost of entry is really high now...My guess is that this is becoming their new 'desktop' computer, just add the pieces you want/dont already have. Maybe we'll see a new affordable Mac Mini-Mini in 2019, haha |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 18, 2018 17:26:03 GMT -5
Gary Cook has one. easy memory upgrade he claims. Pretty sure he doesn’t have a 2018, watch the video, you’ll see it’s not so easy. “With my current MacMini I ordered it online” yes gentlemen, his very first sentence! LOL I should learn to READ all of the words. I stand corrected. 😲 Yep, still using the 2012 MacMini which is working fine running Mojave. It's good news that Apple have decided (finally) to continue with MacMinis, yep it costs more (than the previous versions) but it does offer more of pretty much everything. Plenty were afraid that the MacMini was dead, like the iPad Mini seems to be, and there would be no more. I'll eventually upgrade mine, most likely when it no longer copes with the latest OS, so it's good to know that there's new models to replace it with when the time comes. FWIW it doesn't look that hard to me to upgrade the RAM, but I'm OK with electronics, built many an amplifier, mixer, pre amp etc in my time.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 18, 2018 21:35:53 GMT -5
... FWIW it doesn't look that hard to me to upgrade the RAM, but I'm OK with electronics, built many an amplifier, mixer, pre amp etc in my time. .. I mean compared to the 2012 mini (which was very easy), like I said it’s similar to what putting a drive in used to be, you have to take it down to where only the power supply is left. But you can do it, which you couldn’t in 2014, and it should take less than an hour to save hundreds of dollars, so worth it in the end. I agree too that it’s great to have the mini back and more powerful than ever, as I said in another post, now it’s like a mini-Mac-Pro. |
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