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Post by markc on May 18, 2020 16:03:04 GMT -5
Long post so I broke it up!
finally, selecting "Last Used’ in the 5.1 preferred decoder in Setup / Inputs doesn’t work.
firstly, Dolby and DTS are linked.
The Processor doesn’t remember Dolby Surround for Dolby 5.1/7.1 and "Direct" for DTS sources
When once the DSU upmixer is enabled to upmix 5.1 to 7.1, any and all surround DTS sources subsequently automatically get Neural X applied
I had hoped that "Last Used" would remember a preferred decoder for each of Dolby 5.1, Dolby 7.1, Dolby TrueHD5.1, TrueHD 7.1 etc etc, but it doesn’t.
it doesn’t even remember a last used decoder for Dolby sources (DSU) and a separate one for DTS sources ("Direct" being the least problematic way of avoiding the Heinous Neural X activation.
so, "Direct" for all surround sources it is..
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 16:17:09 GMT -5
It's weird how we all have different experiences. megash0n, you were the first to raise this issue. it is a real problem, possibly only in systems with more than 5.1 speakers, as with 5.1 sources, there is no need for any expansion and DTS Neural X is never forcibly triggered to upmix my XMC-2 arrived today (same platform as RMC models so it’s absolutely valid to post here, however I think this issue needs its own thread and a response from Emotiva) As part of setting my XMC-2 up this afternoon, (which was pleasantly familiar having had an XMC-1 for 5 years), the glaring issue with the DTS Neural X codec became a problem. 1) it is not just a volume issue. It introduces mixing issues. Listening to Adele Live at The Royal Albert Hall The front L&R & centre develop a reverb echo with Neural X. It is glaringly obvious and nasty. (Why Adele, you ask? No reason other than her crystal clear vocal in the centre channel and it’s Very much easier to hear the distortion / reverb problem with music and whilst being absolutely inescapable it becomes utterly intolerable with music). Switching from Direct or Surround modes while listening (which both sound exactly the same as each other and are also Reassuringly comparable to the stereo track upmixed using the Dolby Surround upmixer) to DTS Neural X, it is clear that the Neural X decoding is the odd man out and doing bad things. Neural X, which is also chosen by default in the "Auto" mode unfortunately, causes the volume to drop by more than 4dB and possibly 6dB and also introduces the reverb echo across the front speakers. Turning up the volume is not going to sort this issue. An upmixer from 5.1 to 7.1 should do nothing to the established LCR channels. 2) The real problem is that it is almost impossible to escape using DTS Neural X. After MUCH experimentation going from DTS videos to Dolby to PCM stereo to DTS-HD to Atmos, and back again, in all sorts of combinations, it keeps getting re-enacted! The ONLY way to avoid Neural X auto-engaging (and ruining the sound) is, in the setup, input menus, selecting "Direct" as the preferred decoder for 5.1 If you select Auto then, Neural X is selected for all 5.1 and 7.1 DTS, whether 24/96, DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA and DTS-X If you select Surround, then it is fine for a time, but after playing a DTS-X or Atmos encoded track, it returns to using the Neural X decoder by default when you play a movie with DTS. This is because the DTS-X and Atmos sources cannot use the other Surround modes and forcibly enable the Atmos decoder/DTS X encoder. After dropping back to a regular DTS source, Neural X is unfortunately engaged again. By selecting ‘Direct" as the preferred 5.1 decoder, 5.1 sources stay 5.1 (Dolby and DTS), 7.1 stays 7.1 and most importantly, Atmos decoder is not engaged for Atmos tracks, which, firstly, I don’t need in a 7.1 system, and more importantly, it doesn’t force the XMC-2 back into Surround or Auto mode for subsequent movies, so the Neural X decoder stays disabled. However, I now have silent rear channels when playing DTS or Dolby 5.1 sources so this is not an ideal or desirable option. There is no such problem with the Dolby Surround Upmixer. It correctly gives 7.1 output from 7.1 and 5.1 sources without changing sound character or volume. To clarify: I have a 7.1 system. For 7.1 sources, I shouldn’t need any upmixer so "Surround" or "Direct" would be fine. For 5.1 sources I would like the R&L Side Surrounds to be upmixed to the R&L Rear Surrounds. This works with the Dolby Surround Upmixer. This was automatic and a mandatory part of the original DTS decoder specification. In a 7.1 system you could not prevent 5.1 being upmixed to 7.1 for DTS sources and this certainly occurred with the XMC-1 as I had some DTS 5.1 surround music that I converted to 5.1 flac to avoid the usual and normal behaviour of the DTS mandatory upmixing to 7.1. (Not a problem with live concert recordings as the side surrounds usually just have reverb and audience noise, but in studio-mixed 5.1 tracks the instrument and vocal placement got obscured in the 5.1 to 7.1 upmix.. As an afterthought, I am also bi-amping the Front L&R using the bi-amp settings in the XMC-2 Front Width channels. Could this be being incorrectly interpreted by the Neural X decoder as me having Front Width speakers and hence the reverb/echo effect on engaging Neural X??? Very thorough post. It seems as if we experience mostly the same. I think DSU sounds fantastic. Your commentary on DTS seems pretty consistent with what I experience. I am using a 5.2.4 currently. I can't use rears as my bed unfortunately is against the wall. Not much of a reason to have rears so close. I'm ignoring all other room mode issues due to where I sit only comparing what I hear in reference to the different modes and codecs. I haven't attempted to override anything in the settings. I leave it on auto and just choose to change to Surround when watching anything DTS that isn't DTS-X. It is much of a pain. There is a drastic difference is sound quality and a 4-6db level difference as you state. The wife doesn't really pay much attention, and she thinks it is night and day different between upmixer or not. I never use Direct. I thought the whole intent of Direct was to bypass most or all of the processing.... Mainly used by those wanting to keep an analog path. I could very well be wrong, but this is what I think I remember from my older Marantz and assumed most implement Direct for the same reasons. It would be nice if Neural worked as well as DSU. I do enjoy the up mixing of Dolby. Back to DTS.. I think the low end seems to be missing a lot as well. Watching a movie flipping back and forth.. There is just a very noticeable difference in what I always call horsepower. But, now that I think about it.. Should I be using the word torque instead? 😂😂😂😂 This is probably the more accurate analogy. |
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 16:22:25 GMT -5
Long post so I broke it up! finally, selecting "Last Used’ in the 5.1 preferred decoder in Setup / Inputs doesn’t work. firstly, Dolby and DTS are linked. The Processor doesn’t remember Dolby Surround for Dolby 5.1/7.1 and "Direct" for DTS sources When once the DSU upmixer is enabled to upmix 5.1 to 7.1, any and all surround DTS sources subsequently automatically get Neural X applied I had hoped that "Last Used" would remember a preferred decoder for each of Dolby 5.1, Dolby 7.1, Dolby TrueHD5.1, TrueHD 7.1 etc etc, but it doesn’t. it doesn’t even remember a last used decoder for Dolby sources (DSU) and a separate one for DTS sources ("Direct" being the least problematic way of avoiding the Heinous Neural X activation. so, "Direct" for all surround sources it is.. I just looked at a post by Keith that says Direct mode bypasses all processing. Which.. Includes bass management. I can't think of a reason why I would ever want to use Direct mode. Especially not for movies. Now, I'm reading as I'm typing, you may get bass management in direct and not in Reference Stereo. Regardless, you lose some or all of processing. This should indicate that peq nor Dirac would work in either. I can't think of a use case for either selection outside of wanting to stay purely analog. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2020 16:29:58 GMT -5
megash0n, you were the first to raise this issue. it is a real problem, possibly only in systems with more than 5.1 speakers, as with 5.1 sources, there is no need for any expansion and DTS Neural X is never forcibly triggered to upmix my XMC-2 arrived today (same platform as RMC models so it’s absolutely valid to post here, however I think this issue needs its own thread and a response from Emotiva) As part of setting my XMC-2 up this afternoon, (which was pleasantly familiar having had an XMC-1 for 5 years), the glaring issue with the DTS Neural X codec became a problem. 1) it is not just a volume issue. It introduces mixing issues. Listening to Adele Live at The Royal Albert Hall The front L&R & centre develop a reverb echo with Neural X. It is glaringly obvious and nasty. (Why Adele, you ask? No reason other than her crystal clear vocal in the centre channel and it’s Very much easier to hear the distortion / reverb problem with music and whilst being absolutely inescapable it becomes utterly intolerable with music). Switching from Direct or Surround modes while listening (which both sound exactly the same as each other and are also Reassuringly comparable to the stereo track upmixed using the Dolby Surround upmixer) to DTS Neural X, it is clear that the Neural X decoding is the odd man out and doing bad things. Neural X, which is also chosen by default in the "Auto" mode unfortunately, causes the volume to drop by more than 4dB and possibly 6dB and also introduces the reverb echo across the front speakers. Turning up the volume is not going to sort this issue. An upmixer from 5.1 to 7.1 should do nothing to the established LCR channels. 2) The real problem is that it is almost impossible to escape using DTS Neural X. After MUCH experimentation going from DTS videos to Dolby to PCM stereo to DTS-HD to Atmos, and back again, in all sorts of combinations, it keeps getting re-enacted! The ONLY way to avoid Neural X auto-engaging (and ruining the sound) is, in the setup, input menus, selecting "Direct" as the preferred decoder for 5.1 If you select Auto then, Neural X is selected for all 5.1 and 7.1 DTS, whether 24/96, DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA and DTS-X If you select Surround, then it is fine for a time, but after playing a DTS-X or Atmos encoded track, it returns to using the Neural X decoder by default when you play a movie with DTS. This is because the DTS-X and Atmos sources cannot use the other Surround modes and forcibly enable the Atmos decoder/DTS X encoder. After dropping back to a regular DTS source, Neural X is unfortunately engaged again. By selecting ‘Direct" as the preferred 5.1 decoder, 5.1 sources stay 5.1 (Dolby and DTS), 7.1 stays 7.1 and most importantly, Atmos decoder is not engaged for Atmos tracks, which, firstly, I don’t need in a 7.1 system, and more importantly, it doesn’t force the XMC-2 back into Surround or Auto mode for subsequent movies, so the Neural X decoder stays disabled. However, I now have silent rear channels when playing DTS or Dolby 5.1 sources so this is not an ideal or desirable option. There is no such problem with the Dolby Surround Upmixer. It correctly gives 7.1 output from 7.1 and 5.1 sources without changing sound character or volume. To clarify: I have a 7.1 system. For 7.1 sources, I shouldn’t need any upmixer so "Surround" or "Direct" would be fine. For 5.1 sources I would like the R&L Side Surrounds to be upmixed to the R&L Rear Surrounds. This works with the Dolby Surround Upmixer. This was automatic and a mandatory part of the original DTS decoder specification. In a 7.1 system you could not prevent 5.1 being upmixed to 7.1 for DTS sources and this certainly occurred with the XMC-1 as I had some DTS 5.1 surround music that I converted to 5.1 flac to avoid the usual and normal behaviour of the DTS mandatory upmixing to 7.1. (Not a problem with live concert recordings as the side surrounds usually just have reverb and audience noise, but in studio-mixed 5.1 tracks the instrument and vocal placement got obscured in the 5.1 to 7.1 upmix.. As an afterthought, I am also bi-amping the Front L&R using the bi-amp settings in the XMC-2 Front Width channels. Could this be being incorrectly interpreted by the Neural X decoder as me having Front Width speakers and hence the reverb/echo effect on engaging Neural X??? Very thorough post. It seems as if we experience mostly the same. I think DSU sounds fantastic. Your commentary on DTS seems pretty consistent with what I experience. I am using a 5.2.4 currently. I can't use rears as my bed unfortunately is against the wall. Not much of a reason to have rears so close. I'm ignoring all other room mode issues due to where I sit only comparing what I hear in reference to the different modes and codecs. I haven't attempted to override anything in the settings. I leave it on auto and just choose to change to Surround when watching anything DTS that isn't DTS-X. It is much of a pain. There is a drastic difference is sound quality and a 4-6db level difference as you state. The wife doesn't really pay much attention, and she thinks it is night and day different between upmixer or not. I never use Direct. I thought the whole intent of Direct was to bypass most or all of the processing.... Mainly used by those wanting to keep an analog path. I could very well be wrong, but this is what I think I remember from my older Marantz and assumed most implement Direct for the same reasons. It would be nice if Neural worked as well as DSU. I do enjoy the up mixing of Dolby. Back to DTS.. I think the low end seems to be missing a lot as well. Watching a movie flipping back and forth.. There is just a very noticeable difference in what I always call horsepower. But, now that I think about it.. Should I be using the word torque instead? 😂😂😂😂 This is probably the more accurate analogy. Has anybody from Emo chimed in on this? Curious, if they acknowledge the discrepancy, can it be dealt with via firmware? |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2020 16:32:51 GMT -5
Long post so I broke it up! finally, selecting "Last Used’ in the 5.1 preferred decoder in Setup / Inputs doesn’t work. firstly, Dolby and DTS are linked. The Processor doesn’t remember Dolby Surround for Dolby 5.1/7.1 and "Direct" for DTS sources When once the DSU upmixer is enabled to upmix 5.1 to 7.1, any and all surround DTS sources subsequently automatically get Neural X applied I had hoped that "Last Used" would remember a preferred decoder for each of Dolby 5.1, Dolby 7.1, Dolby TrueHD5.1, TrueHD 7.1 etc etc, but it doesn’t. it doesn’t even remember a last used decoder for Dolby sources (DSU) and a separate one for DTS sources ("Direct" being the least problematic way of avoiding the Heinous Neural X activation. so, "Direct" for all surround sources it is.. I just looked at a post by Keith that says Direct mode bypasses all processing. Which.. Includes bass management. I can't think of a reason why I would ever want to use Direct mode. Especially not for movies. Now, I'm reading as I'm typing, you may get bass management in direct and not in Reference Stereo. Regardless, you lose some or all of processing. This should indicate that peq nor Dirac would work in either. I can't think of a use case for either selection outside of wanting to stay purely analog. I prefer reference stereo for music coming from my PC. YMMV☺ |
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 16:35:24 GMT -5
I just looked at a post by Keith that says Direct mode bypasses all processing. Which.. Includes bass management. I can't think of a reason why I would ever want to use Direct mode. Especially not for movies. Now, I'm reading as I'm typing, you may get bass management in direct and not in Reference Stereo. Regardless, you lose some or all of processing. This should indicate that peq nor Dirac would work in either. I can't think of a use case for either selection outside of wanting to stay purely analog. I prefer reference stereo for music coming from my PC. YMMV☺ … I like my beats fast And my bass down low Ba-ba-bass, bass, bass down low Bass, bass, bass down low… 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2020 16:42:23 GMT -5
I prefer reference stereo for music coming from my PC. YMMV☺ … I like my beats fast And my bass down low Ba-ba-bass, bass, bass down low Bass, bass, bass down low… 😂😂😂😂😂 Of course, my towers measure flat to 20hz which is all I need for music, movies be different 😎 |
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Post by markc on May 18, 2020 16:44:03 GMT -5
Very thorough post. It seems as if we experience mostly the same. I think DSU sounds fantastic. Your commentary on DTS seems pretty consistent with what I experience. I am using a 5.2.4 currently. I can't use rears as my bed unfortunately is against the wall. Not much of a reason to have rears so close. I'm ignoring all other room mode issues due to where I sit only comparing what I hear in reference to the different modes and codecs. I haven't attempted to override anything in the settings. I leave it on auto and just choose to change to Surround when watching anything DTS that isn't DTS-X. It is much of a pain. There is a drastic difference is sound quality and a 4-6db level difference as you state. The wife doesn't really pay much attention, and she thinks it is night and day different between upmixer or not. I never use Direct. I thought the whole intent of Direct was to bypass most or all of the processing.... Mainly used by those wanting to keep an analog path. I could very well be wrong, but this is what I think I remember from my older Marantz and assumed most implement Direct for the same reasons. It would be nice if Neural worked as well as DSU. I do enjoy the up mixing of Dolby. Back to DTS.. I think the low end seems to be missing a lot as well. Watching a movie flipping back and forth.. There is just a very noticeable difference in what I always call horsepower. But, now that I think about it.. Should I be using the word torque instead? 😂😂😂😂 This is probably the more accurate analogy. Has anybody from Emo chimed in on this? Curious, if they acknowledge the discrepancy, can it be dealt with via firmware? Nothing from Keith and team yet, which is why I investigated thoroughly first and did a very long (sorry!) post. I was going to search for Direct vs Surround preference and you confirmed my fear. Direct is not going to cut it as I require bass management for movies despite all 5 surrounds being pretty capable. The question, in short, is what is DTS Neural doing that it shouldn't. Is it a feature of the decoder? Is it an implementation problem in the processors? I hope the latter, because then it is fixable. |
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Post by geebo on May 18, 2020 16:48:52 GMT -5
Long post so I broke it up! finally, selecting "Last Used’ in the 5.1 preferred decoder in Setup / Inputs doesn’t work. firstly, Dolby and DTS are linked. The Processor doesn’t remember Dolby Surround for Dolby 5.1/7.1 and "Direct" for DTS sources When once the DSU upmixer is enabled to upmix 5.1 to 7.1, any and all surround DTS sources subsequently automatically get Neural X applied I had hoped that "Last Used" would remember a preferred decoder for each of Dolby 5.1, Dolby 7.1, Dolby TrueHD5.1, TrueHD 7.1 etc etc, but it doesn’t. it doesn’t even remember a last used decoder for Dolby sources (DSU) and a separate one for DTS sources ("Direct" being the least problematic way of avoiding the Heinous Neural X activation. so, "Direct" for all surround sources it is.. I just looked at a post by Keith that says Direct mode bypasses all processing. Which.. Includes bass management. I can't think of a reason why I would ever want to use Direct mode. Especially not for movies. Now, I'm reading as I'm typing, you may get bass management in direct and not in Reference Stereo. Regardless, you lose some or all of processing. This should indicate that peq nor Dirac would work in either. I can't think of a use case for either selection outside of wanting to stay purely analog. Direct mode uses no processing other than to give you bass management. Reference completely bypasses the DSP so no BM. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2020 16:48:59 GMT -5
Has anybody from Emo chimed in on this? Curious, if they acknowledge the discrepancy, can it be dealt with via firmware? Nothing from Keith and team yet, which is why I investigated thoroughly first and did a very long (sorry!) post. I was going to search for Direct vs Surround preference and you confirmed my fear. Direct is not going to cut it as I require bass management for movies despite all 5 surrounds being pretty capable. The question, in short, is what is DTS Neural doing that it shouldn't. Is it a feature of the decoder? Is it an implementation problem in the processors? I hope the latter, because then it is fixable. I am certain Direct will provide bass management, not sure if it includes the Peq filters though |
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Post by geebo on May 18, 2020 16:49:43 GMT -5
Has anybody from Emo chimed in on this? Curious, if they acknowledge the discrepancy, can it be dealt with via firmware? Nothing from Keith and team yet, which is why I investigated thoroughly first and did a very long (sorry!) post. I was going to search for Direct vs Surround preference and you confirmed my fear. Direct is not going to cut it as I require bass management for movies despite all 5 surrounds being pretty capable. The question, in short, is what is DTS Neural doing that it shouldn't. Is it a feature of the decoder? Is it an implementation problem in the processors? I hope the latter, because then it is fixable. Direct mode give you bass management. |
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Post by steelman1991 on May 18, 2020 17:01:21 GMT -5
It's amazing what's in the manual  |
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Post by davidl81 on May 18, 2020 17:19:23 GMT -5
I prefer reference stereo for music coming from my PC. YMMV☺ … I like my beats fast And my bass down low Ba-ba-bass, bass, bass down low Bass, bass, bass down low… 😂😂😂😂😂 One thing that shocked me on my RMC-1 was how much better the low end was on my Mirage OMD-28s in reference stereo compared to anything my Marantz AV8802 ever put out. The first few times I played it I would literally check my subs to make sure they were off. I’ve played music both in direct and reference and I prefer just the towers unless it’s a very bass heavy track (hip hop tracks etc). |
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Post by markc on May 18, 2020 17:43:06 GMT -5
Nothing from Keith and team yet, which is why I investigated thoroughly first and did a very long (sorry!) post. I was going to search for Direct vs Surround preference and you confirmed my fear. Direct is not going to cut it as I require bass management for movies despite all 5 surrounds being pretty capable. The question, in short, is what is DTS Neural doing that it shouldn't. Is it a feature of the decoder? Is it an implementation problem in the processors? I hope the latter, because then it is fixable. Direct mode give you bass management. Agreed, that is why 5.1 sources sound the same in Direct as "Surround" as other differences are negligible for me (I have no PEQ set up for example) However, the fact remains, and this is a big glaring problem with these processors as it is a common scenario: In the XMC-2 and RMC-1/1L processors, DTS 5.1 sources CANNOT be automatically OR manually configured to be up-mixed to 7.1 without something unholy going on, which the implementation of DTS Neural X is absolutely doing. (All channels volume decrease PLUS a reverb / echo nastiness in the front channels. There is no way in these processors to up-mix the Side-surrounds of a 5.1 source to the the rear plus side surrounds in a 7.1 system whilst leaving the front channels untouched, as they should be. Normal 5.1 to 7.1 up-mix can be done by duplication to the rears (along with 3dB attenuation to prevent an overall surround volume increase) or by de-matrixing, but in both cases should only affect the sides/rears. |
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 17:46:00 GMT -5
… I like my beats fast And my bass down low Ba-ba-bass, bass, bass down low Bass, bass, bass down low… 😂😂😂😂😂 Of course, my towers measure flat to 20hz which is all I need for music, movies be different 😎 Good deal. I chose T1s over anything bigger because I always use subs. My larger issue is that my LCR sit closer to the middle of my room lengthwise. More like %40. So, the low end isn't quite as ideal at that position. I have to rely on the subs being closer to the room boundaries. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2020 17:49:09 GMT -5
Of course, my towers measure flat to 20hz which is all I need for music, movies be different 😎 Good deal. I chose T1s over anything bigger because I always use subs. My larger issue is that my LCR sit closer to the middle of my room lengthwise. More like %40. So, the low end isn't quite as ideal at that position. I have to rely on the subs being closer to the room boundaries. All systems have limitations, my towers wouldn't fit in my bedroom, but sh**, neither would a sub😅 |
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 17:52:11 GMT -5
Has anybody from Emo chimed in on this? Curious, if they acknowledge the discrepancy, can it be dealt with via firmware? Nothing from Keith and team yet, which is why I investigated thoroughly first and did a very long (sorry!) post. I was going to search for Direct vs Surround preference and you confirmed my fear. Direct is not going to cut it as I require bass management for movies despite all 5 surrounds being pretty capable. The question, in short, is what is DTS Neural doing that it shouldn't. Is it a feature of the decoder? Is it an implementation problem in the processors? I hope the latter, because then it is fixable. This topic seems to not get much traction. I don't know if it is because it isn't acknowledged as a real issue or if it is being avoided. I've thought there has been something wrong from the beginning. Another thought is that I think 1.10 seems a little better. So, my assumption is that it is implementation. It could have to do with the whole concept that DTS upmixer/dTS-X claims to not care about channel layout. |
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 17:55:08 GMT -5
It's amazing what's in the manual Yeah.. I remember reading it there but didn't feel like hunting it down or downloading. 😉 I usually mix the two up. Regardless, I don't think Dirac or PEQ works with either, but I haven't confirmed this by reading the manual. |
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Post by megash0n on May 18, 2020 18:00:12 GMT -5
Good deal. I chose T1s over anything bigger because I always use subs. My larger issue is that my LCR sit closer to the middle of my room lengthwise. More like %40. So, the low end isn't quite as ideal at that position. I have to rely on the subs being closer to the room boundaries. All systems have limitations, my towers wouldn't fit in my bedroom, but sh**, neither would a sub😅 My bedroom is 16 x 25 x 9. Due to doors and furniture, it don't have many choices for sub location though. None of it is ideal for critical listening, but it sure is a cozy bedroom set up. I stopped using my theater room, which was purpose built for it, when I stopped having friends over so much to watch movies. I got tired of walking down to the basement to watch a movie when it was just the wife and I. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2020 18:07:02 GMT -5
Nothing from Keith and team yet, which is why I investigated thoroughly first and did a very long (sorry!) post. I was going to search for Direct vs Surround preference and you confirmed my fear. Direct is not going to cut it as I require bass management for movies despite all 5 surrounds being pretty capable. The question, in short, is what is DTS Neural doing that it shouldn't. Is it a feature of the decoder? Is it an implementation problem in the processors? I hope the latter, because then it is fixable. This topic seems to not get much traction. I don't know if it is because it isn't acknowledged as a real issue or if it is being avoided. I've thought there has been something wrong from the beginning. Another thought is that I think 1.10 seems a little better. So, my assumption is that it is implementation. It could have to do with the whole concept that DTS upmixer/dTS-X claims to not care about channel layout. If you don't acknowledge it, you don't need to avoid it☺ |
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