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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 28, 2018 21:04:32 GMT -5
Newb to emotiva question, how does the volume knob feel ? I hate when super expensive products still have a sloppy plastic feeling knob identical to anything you buy at best buy. Yes men, how DOES your knob feel? I've been asking this question since the prototype reveal and no one has answered it well other than to say it's sort of like BMWs controller. Are there no other men here who like to play with their knobs? Are there no other men here who like the way a good knob feels? 😜 Really, does it feel solid? And my main concern, does it seem like it would be easy to enter some setting mode accidentally while trying to change the volume? (Please, no smart a$$ quips from anyone about what's a volume knob, that's what the remote is for. Many of us actually USE the volume knob on a regular basis so please leave that debate for another poll thread.) Isn't it the same as the controllers BMW use in their cars? If so it's brilliant, has a truly nice firm feel, detents when you rotate it, spring loaded but damped really smoothly, has a solid mass sensation, not at all flimsy feeling, but at the same time it's not heavy. The knob itself is different, but the controller should still feel the same. Cheers Gary |
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Post by deewan on Nov 28, 2018 21:07:48 GMT -5
Finally have my RMC up and running. Intital thoughts on the setup: 1) No printed manual included with the RMC-1? I didn't find one in the box and I checked twice. Maybe I forgot and Emotiva said they would send one out later. 2) On screen display does not keep up with the display on the unit. While renaming Input names and scrolling through the letters the onscreen display seemed to be really jumpy. But then I noticed the display on the RMC was running through the letter nice and smooth. 3) I've had a few display screen issues on the OLED. Here are a few pictures of what I've seen. One thing to note, I have not done a power cycle yet of any kind. Junk remaining on the bottom side.  Note the vertical line on the let side.  4) Reaction times seem a bit odd. Sometimes a touch of a button on the remote show and instant reaction. Other times, the RMC almost appears to freeze up. Again, I have not power cycled the RMC yet after the first start up. 5) I'm glad I had owned the XMC-1 prior to this processor or else I would have have some difficulty navigating through the menus and knowing how to do things. This goes back to item 1. If this was my first Emotiva processor I'd be a bit upset that a processor this nice, despite being a bit of a pre-order situation, is this difficult to understand. 6) As I noted earlier, I enjoy the fact we can still backup all our settings to a USB drive. I just finished doing that and the RMC-1 is getting a full power cycle now. 7) I called and asked if the 4U Emotiva rack ears I owned would work for the RMC-1. I was told yes. Technically they will work, but they are to tall. Grrrr. Now I have to make another order and probably pay for shipping when the ears would have qualified for free shipping coming with a $4999 processor. 8) The XMC IR codes in the Harmony library do work with the RMC. I have not found anything major yet that doesn't work. 9) The RMC feels about 5 pounds lighter than the Marantz AV7704 I am replacing. I'm guessing ditching all the analog connections is the cause. I have not listened to anything yet, but form the quick setup the detail display does appear to show the correct video and audio details. But I really haven't thrown anything at it. |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 28, 2018 21:11:46 GMT -5
Yes men, how DOES your knob feel? I've been asking this question since the prototype reveal and no one has answered it well other than to say it's sort of like BMWs controller. Are there no other men here who like to play with their knobs? Are there no other men here who like the way a good knob feels? 😜 Really, does it feel solid? And my main concern, does it seem like it would be easy to enter some setting mode accidentally while trying to change the volume? (Please, no smart a$$ quips from anyone about what's a volume knob, that's what the remote is for. Many of us actually USE the volume knob on a regular basis so please leave that debate for another poll thread.) Isn't it the same as the controllers BMW use in their cars? If so it's brilliant, has a truly nice firm feel, detents when you rotate it, spring loaded but damped really smoothly, has a solid mass sensation, not at all flimsy feeling, but at the same time it's not heavy. The knob itself is different, but the controller should still feel the same. Cheers Gary Dan said it was "like" controllers in BMWs and Mercedes. Not that it "was" the "same". So that's why I'm asking. Just want to make sure a simple volume change by the wife doesn't turn into some deep level menu setting. 😤 |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Nov 28, 2018 21:53:50 GMT -5
Finally have my RMC up and running. Intital thoughts on the setup: 1) No printed manual included with the RMC-1? I didn't find one in the box and I checked twice. Maybe I forgot and Emotiva said they would send one out later. 2) On screen display does not keep up with the display on the unit. While renaming Input names and scrolling through the letters the onscreen display seemed to be really jumpy. But then I noticed the display on the RMC was running through the letter nice and smooth. 3) I've had a few display screen issues on the OLED. Here are a few pictures of what I've seen. One thing to note, I have not done a power cycle yet of any kind. Junk remaining on the bottom side. Note the vertical line on the let side. 4) Reaction times seem a bit odd. Sometimes a touch of a button on the remote show and instant reaction. Other times, the RMC almost appears to freeze up. Again, I have not power cycled the RMC yet after the first start up. 5) I'm glad I had owned the XMC-1 prior to this processor or else I would have have some difficulty navigating through the menus and knowing how to do things. This goes back to item 1. If this was my first Emotiva processor I'd be a bit upset that a processor this nice, despite being a bit of a pre-order situation, is this difficult to understand. 6) As I noted earlier, I enjoy the fact we can still backup all our settings to a USB drive. I just finished doing that and the RMC-1 is getting a full power cycle now. 7) I called and asked if the 4U Emotiva rack ears I owned would work for the RMC-1. I was told yes. Technically they will work, but they are to tall. Grrrr. Now I have to make another order and probably pay for shipping when the ears would have qualified for free shipping coming with a $4999 processor. 8) The XMC IR codes in the Harmony library do work with the RMC. I have not found anything major yet that doesn't work. 9) The RMC feels about 5 pounds lighter than the Marantz AV7704 I am replacing. I'm guessing ditching all the analog connections is the cause. I have not listened to anything yet, but form the quick setup the detail display does appear to show the correct video and audio details. But I really haven't thrown anything at it. Don't you see the "PLEASE REMOVE BEFORE USE" note? Remove the protective plastic cover on the OLED screen, otherwise the OLED screen could get damaged. My Apogee Quartet OLED screen had the same warning so looks like this is something that has to be done with most OLED screens. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by skiman1 on Nov 28, 2018 22:03:28 GMT -5
Finally have my RMC up and running. Intital thoughts on the setup: 1) No printed manual included with the RMC-1? I didn't find one in the box and I checked twice. Maybe I forgot and Emotiva said they would send one out later. No manual included ? Is there an online one available? |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 28, 2018 22:45:04 GMT -5
Ok I got mine setup. I didn't get to run Rew yet however. Everything seems to work as expected except for one thing. I will elaborate on that in a minute. My source as of now is an Oppo 205. Switching is a tiny bit slow. But I am sure that will get better. Sounds wonderful so far.
But and yes this is a big butt. During all movie content I am getting this very loud ding in all speakers. It is like it is trying to tell me something. Almost like something should be popping up on the screen to inform me of something. Then my audio drops out for a couple seconds while this happens. It happens about once every minute. Almost like a timer or something. I can't figure this out for the life of me. I have checked and rechecked all my settings. If it weren't for this hickup right now I would be very, very happy. Considering all the problems with the XMC1 HDMI board, I heard about. I am sure hoping someone can help me figure out what this ding is?
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Post by deewan on Nov 28, 2018 22:51:39 GMT -5
Don't you see the "PLEASE REMOVE BEFORE USE" note? Remove the protective plastic cover on the OLED screen, otherwise the OLED screen could get damaged. My Apogee Quartet OLED screen had the same warning so looks like this is something that has to be done with most OLED screens. Just my 2 cents. Yea, I see it. It's called a protective film. It's there so the clear screen doesn't get scratched while in production and shipment. It has nothing to do with the display being an OLED. I'm leaving the protective cover on until I get the correct rack ears. I'll have to remove and put the RMC back into place so any extra protective film will stay in place until that moving is done. No manual included ? Is there an online one available? There is a version available online. I still thought I might see a common paper stock manual stapled together in with the RMC. I recall with the XMC there was a manual sent out, not as fancy as the final version, but it contained all the important info. It's not a big deal the manual wasn't included, but the lack of one was something I wanted to point out. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 28, 2018 23:11:02 GMT -5
No manual included ? Is there an online one available? Yep, Hair Nick posted a link to it here. Casey |
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Post by deewan on Nov 28, 2018 23:42:32 GMT -5
A few more first impressions. I forgot to mention in my previous post; For some reason I feel like the RMC is very simple to physically hook up. It's the same number of cables and connections unplugged form my previous processor, but for some reason it felt easy. Maybe it's because for the most part there are only the digital inputs and the backside seems uncluttered and clean. Not sure. But hookup was a breeze. I've stated in the past I never personally felt like a beta tester with any of my other processor purchases from Emotiva. Yes there were a few fixes with the XMC, but the product when it first arrive on my doorstep seemed complete. That is not the case this go-round with the RMC. The RMC feels unfinished and thrown together. A box without a manual (eluded to earlier). No room correction software (something I was prepared for and also experienced with the XMC). Not really big things, but then add the following.... While throwing all sorts of different video and audio at the machine, response times with remote clicks would sometimes take 15 seconds to register. Swap inputs and imminently try to change the volume, didn't always work. It would get annoying. I was not sure if I didn't hit the correct button, if the harmony remote wasn't sending the correct signal or if the RMC was "frozen" for a moment. While moving around in the menus there are times parts of the menu will not load. Here is an example. The top two lines for the channel labels and their levels should appear, instead there is a blank line to the left of the -3.5 and -3.0 db levels. And I have no idea why "Preset 1" is shown further left on the menu screen.  The "Preset 1" label seems to display a lot when it shouldn't. Here is a shot of a deeper dive into a submenu and Preset 1 remains on the upper left corner.  Another example of the OLED displays showing junk while navigating through the menus.  The detail the OLED info does appear to be correct and change depending on the AV source. However, there were times while switching sources when the OLED menu would also not fully populate. In this example the video line on the bottom did not populate  Here is what the OLED should display. One thing I've never been able to figure out is why when playing a Dolby Atmos disc, the input track is labeled "Dolby TrueHD". It's not a Emotiva issue. I think I've seen the explanation before, but it always confuses me. Why not display Atmos?  hdmi switching and syncing seems pretty good. Although there was twice the hdmi switching didn't lock and I got a blue screen. My fix was to change inputs and then go back to the original input. That always seemed to "fix" the issue. From an audio standpoint. WOW! No issues at all. This thing is a show stopper. First, ever since the "completion" of my room and the installation of the Marantz 7704 I heard a hiss (not a ground loop) from all my channels. It was annoying and noticeable especially when first starting up because my room is so quite. You would hear the clicking of the amps turning on and then "hisssssssssssssssss". I tried to resolve the issue many times, even swapped out the 7704 for a 8802. I never found a solution until today. The solution was to install the RMC-1. I used all the same cables and electrical outlets. NO MORE HISS! The RMC is dead quite. Dynamics seems a little quicker with the RMC compared to the 7704. Channel separation seems a bit better with the RMC but the craziest thing is the soundstage. With my Marantz I played around a lot with the overhead levels, trying to make them more pronounced. They sometimes felt like they got lost. With the RMC, I was watching some 7.1 content and I thought the RMC-1 was upmixing to a 7.1.6 config. I swore I heard the overhead channels cranking out sound. I stood up and discovered the overheads were not active. I sat back down and I heard the overheads again. I went and turned off the amp powering the overhead speakers to confirm the speakers were not active. When I sat back down it sounded like they were still playing. My conclusion is that the RMC gives audio a great surround sound soundstage, you don't need a lot (or anything) from the overhead channels to hear amazing surround sound tracks all around you. When I did feed the RMC an Atmos soundtrack (Ready Player One and others) it did an amazing job. Most of the opening scene of the movie has sound from the front channels, very limited surround. The rest of my room (channels) were so quite I thought I screwed up the settings or forgot to turn my overhead amp back on my my previous experience. I skipped forward to the first race scene and was immediately surrounded by sound. Difficult to explain, it wasn't over bearing. It felt like it was there when you needed it, but the back of the room would displayer when you didn't need to be surrounded. That wasn't always the case with the Marantz. I think I had the levels so high for that thing so I could notice the surrounds that they were overbearing and hissing all the time. Almost distracting. That's the best way I can describe it. If Emotiva can fix the menu display issues and lock into the hdmi sync a little better, the audio side of this processor is a giant killer. I've made not audio adjustment besides distance and level matching with my SPL meter. No REW or filter changes so far. Final thoughts: I'm tickled with the audio performance. The RMC is everything I was hoping for and more. Unfortunately this is the first time I have felt like the claims made by others that I often argue against, that Emotiva uses consumers as beta tester, is true. This is not a finished product. Mostly working product yes, but not finished. If you get hdmi locked in, don't access menus and feed this thing a great soundtrack, the RMC-1 is worth every single penny and more. If you switch inputs a lot or like to tweak with the menus, I'd suggest waiting until a few firmware updates fix the problems. But once fixed, BUY THIS PROCESSOR!!!! |
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Post by epaulino26 on Nov 29, 2018 1:30:07 GMT -5
Finally have my RMC up and running. Intital thoughts on the setup: 1) No printed manual included with the RMC-1? I didn't find one in the box and I checked twice. Maybe I forgot and Emotiva said they would send one out later. 2) On screen display does not keep up with the display on the unit. While renaming Input names and scrolling through the letters the onscreen display seemed to be really jumpy. But then I noticed the display on the RMC was running through the letter nice and smooth. 3) I've had a few display screen issues on the OLED. Here are a few pictures of what I've seen. One thing to note, I have not done a power cycle yet of any kind. Junk remaining on the bottom side. Note the vertical line on the let side. 4) Reaction times seem a bit odd. Sometimes a touch of a button on the remote show and instant reaction. Other times, the RMC almost appears to freeze up. Again, I have not power cycled the RMC yet after the first start up. 5) I'm glad I had owned the XMC-1 prior to this processor or else I would have have some difficulty navigating through the menus and knowing how to do things. This goes back to item 1. If this was my first Emotiva processor I'd be a bit upset that a processor this nice, despite being a bit of a pre-order situation, is this difficult to understand. 6) As I noted earlier, I enjoy the fact we can still backup all our settings to a USB drive. I just finished doing that and the RMC-1 is getting a full power cycle now. 7) I called and asked if the 4U Emotiva rack ears I owned would work for the RMC-1. I was told yes. Technically they will work, but they are to tall. Grrrr. Now I have to make another order and probably pay for shipping when the ears would have qualified for free shipping coming with a $4999 processor. 8) The XMC IR codes in the Harmony library do work with the RMC. I have not found anything major yet that doesn't work. 9) The RMC feels about 5 pounds lighter than the Marantz AV7704 I am replacing. I'm guessing ditching all the analog connections is the cause. I have not listened to anything yet, but form the quick setup the detail display does appear to show the correct video and audio details. But I really haven't thrown anything at it. Will love your input as I myself also have the xmc-1 and wanted to know how it compares on music ? Also interested on those who have the Marantz 8805 and the Anthem avm60 how it compares audio wise with the RmC-1 |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 29, 2018 5:15:12 GMT -5
Deewan, I feel exactly the same. The sound is amazing! So dead quite. So much separation. If I can just get rid of this loud ding. Any thoughts?
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Post by cwt on Nov 29, 2018 6:34:03 GMT -5
..how is the hdmi 2.0b board performing now its communicating with the new adi chipset ? ... Has anyone popped the top cover and looked inside? I somehow, but perhaps mistakenly so, thought they were using Panasonic chips for HDMI. Does the RMC-1 work with eARC? Yes ; phrased it differently ; using the new pana chipsets for the boards but wondering how the board interacted with the adi griffin lite chipsets rather than the TI processing in the older XMC1 ..Seems to be passing through the 4k well so far though - nobody has mentioned how dolby vision is yet [maybe no sony or lg panels so far  ] E-ARC is something the griffin lite chipsets certainly have the power to handle as Lonnie has thankfully mentioned  That's good logic control Deewan ; atmos metadata can be piggybacked on either dolby truehd lossless or dd plus lossy ; so its correctly differentiating the two . Perhaps someone can stream some Netflix 4k shows to see if it switches to the lower bandwidth atmos .. its nice to have this info available at a glance  |
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Post by Geronimo on Nov 29, 2018 7:31:32 GMT -5
Finally have my RMC up and running. Intital thoughts on the setup: 1) No printed manual included with the RMC-1? I didn't find one in the box and I checked twice. Maybe I forgot and Emotiva said they would send one out later. 2) On screen display does not keep up with the display on the unit. While renaming Input names and scrolling through the letters the onscreen display seemed to be really jumpy. But then I noticed the display on the RMC was running through the letter nice and smooth. 3) I've had a few display screen issues on the OLED. Here are a few pictures of what I've seen. One thing to note, I have not done a power cycle yet of any kind. Junk remaining on the bottom side. Note the vertical line on the let side. 4) Reaction times seem a bit odd. Sometimes a touch of a button on the remote show and instant reaction. Other times, the RMC almost appears to freeze up. Again, I have not power cycled the RMC yet after the first start up. 5) I'm glad I had owned the XMC-1 prior to this processor or else I would have have some difficulty navigating through the menus and knowing how to do things. This goes back to item 1. If this was my first Emotiva processor I'd be a bit upset that a processor this nice, despite being a bit of a pre-order situation, is this difficult to understand. 6) As I noted earlier, I enjoy the fact we can still backup all our settings to a USB drive. I just finished doing that and the RMC-1 is getting a full power cycle now. 7) I called and asked if the 4U Emotiva rack ears I owned would work for the RMC-1. I was told yes. Technically they will work, but they are to tall. Grrrr. Now I have to make another order and probably pay for shipping when the ears would have qualified for free shipping coming with a $4999 processor. 8) The XMC IR codes in the Harmony library do work with the RMC. I have not found anything major yet that doesn't work. 9) The RMC feels about 5 pounds lighter than the Marantz AV7704 I am replacing. I'm guessing ditching all the analog connections is the cause. I have not listened to anything yet, but form the quick setup the detail display does appear to show the correct video and audio details. But I really haven't thrown anything at it. I hope your OLED screens are not defective......Mine don't have that corruption at all, but my OSD gets all wonky as well. |
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Post by brbecker on Nov 29, 2018 8:13:15 GMT -5
Ok I got mine setup. I didn't get to run Rew yet however. Everything seems to work as expected except for one thing. I will elaborate on that in a minute. My source as of now is an Oppo 205. Switching is a tiny bit slow. But I am sure that will get better. Sounds wonderful so far. But and yes this is a big butt. During all movie content I am getting this very loud ding in all speakers. It is like it is trying to tell me something. Almost like something should be popping up on the screen to inform me of something. Then my audio drops out for a couple seconds while this happens. It happens about once every minute. Almost like a timer or something. I can't figure this out for the life of me. I have checked and rechecked all my settings. If it weren't for this hickup right now I would be very, very happy. Considering all the problems with the XMC1 HDMI board, I heard about. I am sure hoping someone can help me figure out what this ding is? I also have an OPPO-205 and watched two different movies with no dong. Hope you find the culprit! |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 29, 2018 8:18:25 GMT -5
Ok I got mine setup. I didn't get to run Rew yet however. Everything seems to work as expected except for one thing. I will elaborate on that in a minute. My source as of now is an Oppo 205. Switching is a tiny bit slow. But I am sure that will get better. Sounds wonderful so far. But and yes this is a big butt. During all movie content I am getting this very loud ding in all speakers. It is like it is trying to tell me something. Almost like something should be popping up on the screen to inform me of something. Then my audio drops out for a couple seconds while this happens. It happens about once every minute. Almost like a timer or something. I can't figure this out for the life of me. I have checked and rechecked all my settings. If it weren't for this hickup right now I would be very, very happy. Considering all the problems with the XMC1 HDMI board, I heard about. I am sure hoping someone can help me figure out what this ding is? I also have an OPPO-205 and watched two different movies with no dong. Hope you find the culprit! It's more like a ding. Yeah I have tried everything. |
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Post by brbecker on Nov 29, 2018 8:43:27 GMT -5
Sorry should of said ding. Of course there's lots of different settings between the Oppo and RMC. Without going down and checking the settings on the Oppo I'm pretty sure everything is set to bitstream out. Of course XLR cable connections. Have you tried changing out the HDMI cable? I thought it was pretty much impossible for a cable to go bad but I've had two go bad! Really quiet sound stage as others are mentioning. I'm having the same menu issues as others have mentioned and the OLED display on the RMC sometimes does not display all data.
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Post by deewan on Nov 29, 2018 8:44:02 GMT -5
Deewan, I feel exactly the same. The sound is amazing! So dead quite. So much separation. If I can just get rid of this loud ding. Any thoughts? I don't hear a ding, but I sometimes here clicking while making adjustments or changing inputs. The clicks are similar to a digital volume switch if you know what I mean. Trying to troubleshoot, if you can create the dings have you attempted to select an input without a device connected to see if it would have anything to do with a hdmi connection or certain inputs? I forget if you said if you tried a full power cycle (power down and then flip the power switch on/off on the back of the unit). That full power cycle fixed some, but not all of my issues. |
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Post by deewan on Nov 29, 2018 8:56:56 GMT -5
Will love your input as I myself also have the xmc-1 and wanted to know how it compares on music ? Also interested on those who have the Marantz 8805 and the Anthem avm60 how it compares audio wise with the RmC-1 I am unable to do a direct comparison between the XMC and the RMC. I sold my XMC when we moved two years ago. And even my audio memory would not be a good comparison since I have a completely different room and difference speakers. I can give you my thoughts on the RMC compared to the Marantz 7704. From an audio standpoint, there is no comparison. The RMC wipes the floor with the 7704. I never thought the 7704 sounded bad while I owned it, but the difference between that and the RMC is quite large. When comparing any audio equipment and you hear a big improvement, you just know that is what great audio sounds like. I had compared the 7704 to the 8802, and I personally didn't hear any difference, or at least not one that stood out. Maybe if I really concentrated and focused I could have found one, but I look for improvements I notice, not improvements I have to search out. I've heard the Anthem AVM60 and with ARC, I think it's a better sounding machine than the 7704 and 8802 (both with Audyessy run). I heard a difference, but it wasn't as big of a difference as what the RMC had. The audio on the RMC is big enough I'll live with all the quirking display issues if I have to. I can't go back from this audio nirvana provided by the RMC-1 That's good logic control Deewan ; atmos metadata can be piggybacked on either dolby truehd lossless or dd plus lossy ; so its correctly differentiating the two . Perhaps someone can stream some Netflix 4k shows to see if it switches to the lower bandwidth atmos .. its nice to have this info available at a glance Thanks for the explanation. I knew it was something simple like that, knew it wasn't only an Emotiva thing and also therefore knew it wasn't an error, but still seems odd to me. But as long as I see that second line showing Atmos, I'll be happy. One last thing, my JVC projector does not have Dolby Vision so I have not attempted to test that. I do have a Sony TV with Dolby Vision, but not sure I'll be motivated enough to test it. Hopefully someone else will chime in and provide answers to that. |
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Post by deewan on Nov 29, 2018 9:00:50 GMT -5
I hope your OLED screens are not defective......Mine don't have that corruption at all, but my OSD gets all wonky as well. Glad to hear your displays are fine. I'm not to worried about it and I'm guessing the OLED displays are fine. Normally when the OLED display screens show something strange it's at the same time or right after something on the on-screen display has also shown something funky. I'd wager its a coding issue and I have faith it will be resolved. Heck I might even do another full power cycle and see if it resolves the issue. |
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 29, 2018 9:05:18 GMT -5
Deewan I have done the full power cycle. Flipped the switch and unplugged. And it starts right back up again. And this is coming through all speakers. It will play along then DING play along DING play along DING. It keeps doing it. I will try a different input today. I don't know why I didn't try that last night. I think it was because I was so mesmerized by the sound even the loud ding sounds incredible believe it or not.
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