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Post by boomzilla on Dec 10, 2018 6:27:45 GMT -5
They've been written about a lot, and won some awards, but I've never heard any. Have you? What did you think? I'm also maybe interested in the JBL 4429s
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Post by cgolf on Dec 10, 2018 6:33:12 GMT -5
Haven't heard any of the new models yet. I have a pair of 150s and 160s. Both are great speakers. Great bass on the 160s.
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Post by geeqner on Dec 10, 2018 11:50:58 GMT -5
What are you planning to use these for (or are you just curious)?
I have not heard that specific model of the Klipsch - but the higher-end copper-cones that I heard seemed pretty decent from a quick, informal listen at a local dealer. (Driven with highish-end Parasound and Yamaha gear.)
I've never heard any of the JBL "Home HiFi" models - but I HAVE been impressed with the sound produced by some Professional DJ / PA Gear, where Sound Quality is often compromised for durability (THAT did not seem to be the case, at least not much compromise, for the JBLs). Those look like they are derived from some of the stand-mounted Monitor-type speakers that I have seen and heard, which I thought were pretty darned decent.
If you are looking for a home set to put on stands and supplement with one or more Subs - the ELAC Uni-Fi are in the same price range and worth a listen if you have a local dealer or can trial a set from somewhere with a good return policy. Now that mine are "broken-in", yesterday I was re-arranging our Living Room and gear (making room for Christmas decorations / tree etc) I had my sub disconnected temporarily and noticed how much "fuller" they seemed that when I had first got 'em. They are significantly less efficient than the Klipsch models referenced, and really seem to benefit from "Over-Amping". [NOT saying that they are the "bees knees" - but worth an audition if you have never heard 'em before, and I can attest that they are nicely compact and pair nicely with a Sub.]
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Post by teaman on Dec 10, 2018 12:35:19 GMT -5
I know several people who own the 600 and really like them. The new RP line offers an all new piston like titanium tweeter. I don’t have any personal experience with any of the new lines. I was pretty amazed by the sound and detail from both the RB-81ii and the RB-61ii. I own both and they really are well rounded speakers with quite a bit of bass output. Fry’s has been offering the RB-61ii for $197 a pair and free shipping lately, which is a hell of a deal if you want to hear them. Easily the best pair of sub-$200 speakers available.
The new RP line has really upped the ante as far as fit and finish though. The addition of the new piston action drivers is also an upgrade over previous offerings.
I also have a friend I can put you in contact with who is an authorized dealer and moderator of the Klipsch Owners Facebook group. He can knock off some money for you and has a loyal following with thousands of happy customers. His partner Steven, aka Scrappydue is also a member here and is also an authorized dealer for Klipsch, Marantz, SVS, Parasound, etc.
Tim
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Post by scrappydue on Dec 10, 2018 15:37:07 GMT -5
Someone say my name? Heyo
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Post by teaman on Dec 10, 2018 15:38:29 GMT -5
Someone say my name? Heyo Can you give Boom some insight to the new Klipsch RP600?
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Post by boomzilla on Dec 10, 2018 16:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by Jean Genie on Dec 10, 2018 17:19:35 GMT -5
I know several people who own the 600 and really like them. The new RP line offers an all new piston like titanium tweeter. I don’t have any personal experience with any of the new lines. I was pretty amazed by the sound and detail from both the RB-81ii and the RB-61ii. I own both and they really are well rounded speakers with quite a bit of bass output. Fry’s has been offering the RB-61ii for $197 a pair and free shipping lately, which is a hell of a deal if you want to hear them. Easily the best pair of sub-$200 speakers available. No more, unfortunately... "Frys Audio Audio Speakers 6680284 click image to see larger view Klipsch 6.5" Bookshelf Speakers - Black - Sold as Pair Frys#: 6680284 Model: RB61 II Price Match Promise $329.00" www.frys.com/product/6680284?source=google&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvKmEsqSW3wIVRWSGCh3YOgAGEAQYASABEgKOnfD_BwE
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Post by geeqner on Dec 10, 2018 17:26:43 GMT -5
That's quite the review! -
But then again, I remember essentially the same level of "hype" about 2 years ago about the ELAC Uni-Fi UB5s (not to "beat a dying horse to death"...) that I later bought and now thoroughly enjoy fed via my XPS-2.
I DO find that if one has to work with a less-than-optimal listening room - a QUALITY set of bookshelf speakers, and well-matched Amplification, supplemented by one (or two) good Subwoofers works QUITE NICELY. (As Mr. Gutenberg also seems to have discovered) I find that setup to be more forgiving as to speaker placement than many other possibilities.
I do not blindly believe the "hype". However, when it comes from sources that I at least semi-respect, it encourages me to ask questions and investigate. But ultimately; I believe MY EARS. I get the impression that you operate even MORE so on a similar basic principle.
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Post by scrappydue on Dec 10, 2018 18:59:24 GMT -5
I haven’t heard the 600’s but i did own the 160’s and they are FANTASTIC speaker. Very smooth sound. Not the “harsh” sound Klipsch is associated with all the time.
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Post by cgolf on Dec 10, 2018 20:34:20 GMT -5
Agree 100% on the 160s!! ^^
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Post by teaman on Dec 10, 2018 21:25:36 GMT -5
I know several people who own the 600 and really like them. The new RP line offers an all new piston like titanium tweeter. I don’t have any personal experience with any of the new lines. I was pretty amazed by the sound and detail from both the RB-81ii and the RB-61ii. I own both and they really are well rounded speakers with quite a bit of bass output. Fry’s has been offering the RB-61ii for $197 a pair and free shipping lately, which is a hell of a deal if you want to hear them. Easily the best pair of sub-$200 speakers available. No more, unfortunately... "Frys Audio Audio Speakers 6680284 click image to see larger view Klipsch 6.5" Bookshelf Speakers - Black - Sold as Pair Frys#: 6680284 Model: RB61 II Price Match Promise $329.00" www.frys.com/product/6680284?source=google&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvKmEsqSW3wIVRWSGCh3YOgAGEAQYASABEgKOnfD_BwEYeah, they just ran them on the weekend again though. You have to watch their daily ads to see what and when they are on sale...and then if they ship or not.
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Post by leonski on Dec 17, 2018 17:45:46 GMT -5
Buying based on 'reviews' is dicey at best. Very few reliable 'plan B' available. And companies like BOTH Klipsch and JBL are 'known' and I don't think will make any radical change to effect the 'house sound'. Imporvements tend to be Evolutionary and Not Revolutionary. In y corner of the world, you can TELL a Magnepan, even all the way back to the 70s when the Tympani came out and later the 'budget' MG-1.
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Post by highfihoney2 on Dec 17, 2018 18:03:45 GMT -5
Buying based on 'reviews' is dicey at best. Very few reliable 'plan B' available. And companies like BOTH Klipsch and JBL are 'known' and I don't think will make any radical change to effect the 'house sound'. Imporvements tend to be Evolutionary and Not Revolutionary. In y corner of the world, you can TELL a Magnepan, even all the way back to the 70s when the Tympani came out and later the 'budget' MG-1. I've owned the entire Klipsch Heritage line from K-horns and Belle's to ancient Short Horns and all 3 versions of the Heresy ,I've had to modify every Klipsch speaker I've owned because the is crossed over to high IMO and the tweeter horn throats resonating ,with that said how have you been & what amps did you end up replacing your XPR-1s with ? Myself ,I have tube fever again lol
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Post by leonski on Dec 17, 2018 18:12:41 GMT -5
Thanks for Vote Of Confidence, HFHoney2.......But I don't own XPR-1 amps. Much more modest power output Parasounds.....but a pair of stereo, one for each panel.
One question? WHY continue to purchase a speaker you CONTINUE to have to modify to fit your taste? If all you are doing is modifying the HP crossover, that's only a capacitor, usually, right? Or are the crossovers more complex? With a steeper slope, you might get involved in swapping inductors, too. Hitting the nail on the head FIRST TRY might also be either a good guess or quite the background!
At that point? GUT the speaker crossover, go to a MiniDSP as an active crossover AND get a couple more amps! You could run a couple changes an hour until you hit Gold.
I'm about to buy an AmpCampAmp of about 8 a side, which is obviously NOT enough power for my panels. I'll experiment with it as a headphone amp. Nice! But MIGHT be good for high sensitivity Klipsch, or similar.
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Post by boomzilla on Dec 17, 2018 20:48:13 GMT -5
What are you planning to use these for (or are you just curious)? At the moment, I'm just curious. It seems that my local Best Buy should have some on display, so I'll want to hear them there. ...I've never heard any of the JBL "Home HiFi" models - but I HAVE been impressed with the sound produced by some Professional DJ / PA Gear, where Sound Quality is often compromised for durability (THAT did not seem to be the case, at least not much compromise, for the JBLs). Those look like they are derived from some of the stand-mounted Monitor-type speakers that I have seen and heard, which I thought were pretty darned decent. The 4429s are part of the "pro" gear, unless I'm mistaken. If you are looking for a home set to put on stands and supplement with one or more Subs - the ELAC Uni-Fi are in the same price range and worth a listen if you have a local dealer... Alas - no local dealer that I know of. Whatever I get (if anything) I'd want one of two things: 1 - A full-range speaker (maybe with its own internal powered subs ala Golden Ear or DefTech) or 2 - A "bookshelf" sized monitor to sit on top of my two subs The only "might suffice" that doesn't fit the above options would be the Emotiva T2. It doesn't go as low as the subs, but it works fine in my large room. The best option that meets the #1 criteria that I've seen is probably the Golden Ear Triton. The best option that meets my #2 criteria that I've seen may be the Klipsch RP600m. But, of course, I've never even heard any of these speakers, except for the T2s and am a LOT of research away from making a decision. I'm currently running Thiel 1.6 speakers that excel at imaging & transparency, but sometimes seem to fall a little short of a highly-dynamic presentation.
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Post by leonski on Dec 17, 2018 21:24:12 GMT -5
Alas - no local dealer that I know of.
Whatever I get (if anything) I'd want one of two things:
1 - A full-range speaker (maybe with its own internal powered subs ala Golden Ear or DefTech) or 2 - A "bookshelf" sized monitor to sit on top of my two subs
The only "might suffice" that doesn't fit the above options would be the Emotiva T2. It doesn't go as low as the subs, but it works fine in my large room. The best option that meets the #1 criteria that I've seen is probably the Golden Ear Triton. The best option that meets my #2 criteria that I've seen may be the Klipsch RP600m. But, of course, I've never even heard any of these speakers, except for the T2s and am a LOT of research away from making a decision.
I'm currently running Thiel 1.6 speakers that excel at imaging & transparency, but sometimes seem to fall a little short of a highly-dynamic presentation.
DESIGNING a system based on 'looks' and 'what fits' sounds like a recipe for cookie you Might not like once it cools out of the oven. That the Thiel 'lacks dynamics' is a clue to which way you should go, next time around. So many brands. PSB? Dynaudio? Focal? Harbeth? And in planners? Quad or perhaps Magnepan? Open baffle? Try Linkwitz.....built, or DIY to one level or another.
What Amplifier with those Thiel? And is the room OVER damped, maybe? Speaker is fairly sensitive and should really sing with 100watts....capable of driving some of the phase issues at low frequency...
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Post by teaman on Dec 17, 2018 22:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by Loop 7 on Dec 18, 2018 2:20:50 GMT -5
boomzilla Klipsch never or rarely uses commodity drivers, correct? Founded in 1946 so that is a TON of intellectual property.
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Post by boomzilla on Dec 18, 2018 2:37:29 GMT -5
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