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Post by rbk123 on Mar 25, 2019 19:45:36 GMT -5
I'll put it this way, Tommy. I went back to an AVR doing my processing from the MC-700 - it was that bad. I went to a Denon AVR-X4200 - purchased from a forum member here. The SQ is better, the OSD is better, the switching is better, the firmware handling is better. Everything about that 4200 is better than the MC-700. The unit is the reason I won't buy anything Emotiva anymore outside of the power amplifiers. Yikes, the 700 must be a real junker if that Denon sounds better....... I have a 700 and it is sonically much better than the Denon it replaced. I still wouldn't recommend getting a 700, though.
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Post by The History Kid on Mar 25, 2019 22:46:07 GMT -5
You guys have be beaming with confidence as I just pulled the trigger from a Canadian distributor as my UMC-1 has started having problems with HDMI inputs. The MC-700 should be a direct replacement for my rather simple 5.1 setup and I'll now also be able to take in some 3D... But really not much out there in terms a low profile...anyway I'll let you know. I hope it works out well for you. I don't wish someone to have a bad experience with the products, I just know that any Emotiva product I've owned with any kind of digital interface, switching, DAC, or other component outside of the power amps has abruptly and immaturely failed me.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 26, 2019 8:36:40 GMT -5
The UMC-1 worked fine so if I get a trouble free 5.1 from the MC-700 to my Bryton/ Emo amps and a 1080p signal to the the projector.... I'm good.
I'm not(currently)interested in 4K, HDR , Atmos , etc ......mostly just streaming from a Roku stick, Apple TV2 (?) and a the odd Blu-ray on a Sony BDP, no cable boxes...... hopefully I'll be able to use the same HDMI cables, one's 50' with a booster box to the projector............on the UMC-1 I didn't use the EMO-Q....has it improved?...... or equalization..and my Velodyne DD12 has its own Room equalization that I've optimized for my living room....so pretty strait forward.
My only concerns, as there is no separate stereo or record out, is getting a monitor signal to my Bryston BHA-1 head-amp at the back of the room for 50% of my movie watching, I'm looking at a few options, one's using the optical outs on the Apple TV or Sony to an optical to RCA convertor to the XSP-1 Gen II and then record out or direct to the head amp, there are also a few HDMI to audio out boxes.
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 26, 2019 9:29:50 GMT -5
Mine replaced a functioning UMC-1 with no changes in source - all 1080p and it took new 4k cables and some tinkering to reduce it's quirks to a manageable state for me.
If your sources will be only 1080p, I'd go used. There are lots of high end non-4k processors out there for minimal $$.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 26, 2019 9:37:02 GMT -5
Mine replaced a functioning UMC-1 with no changes in source - all 1080p and it took new 4k cables and some tinkering to reduce it's quirks to a manageable state for me. If your sources will be only 1080p, I'd go used. There are lots of high end non-4k processors out there for minimal $$. Believe me I've looked the last few months but not to much available here in Canada, especially low profile and unfortunately time ran out with the UMC-1 acting up.......what were some of your quirks?
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 26, 2019 11:45:06 GMT -5
Ahh, I forgot the Canada part, but I'd think you could get ebay sellers to ship up North. Chad does it a fair bit of the time.
Quirks: loss of video or audio or both when switching between inputs. That was/is the main problem which would require a reboot of the MC and/or the source to fix. Now I have it where it rarely occurs. After that, very slow HDMI source switching but that is inherent to how they implemented it so nothing one can do about that but meditate while waiting. There's an MC problems thread somewhere where the other owners listed their issues.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 26, 2019 12:06:46 GMT -5
Ahh, I forgot the Canada part, but I'd think you could get ebay sellers to ship up North. Chad does it a fair bit of the time. Quirks: loss of video or audio or both when switching between inputs. That was/is the main problem which would require a reboot of the MC and/or the source to fix. Now I have it where it rarely occurs. After that, very slow HDMI source switching but that is inherent to how they implemented it so nothing one can do about that but meditate while waiting. There's an MC problems thread somewhere where the other owners listed their issues. I was checking out related problems....as for switching inputs....it's rare unless I get the urge to play a Blu-ray instead of streaming....not a big deal...but I could see this as a real pita if one regularly does. One issue I've seen that has yet to be resolved, and I believe it's with most processors not just Emotiva is the audio THUMP with the Roku devices when there is a loss or change in the audio stream from multi to stereo.
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 26, 2019 19:08:47 GMT -5
Ahh, I forgot the Canada part, but I'd think you could get ebay sellers to ship up North. Chad does it a fair bit of the time. Quirks: loss of video or audio or both when switching between inputs. That was/is the main problem which would require a reboot of the MC and/or the source to fix. Now I have it where it rarely occurs. After that, very slow HDMI source switching but that is inherent to how they implemented it so nothing one can do about that but meditate while waiting. There's an MC problems thread somewhere where the other owners listed their issues. I was checking out related problems....as for switching inputs....it's rare unless I get the urge to play a Blu-ray instead of streaming....not a big deal...but I could see this as a real pita if one regularly does. One issue I've seen that has yet to be resolved, and I believe it's with most processors not just Emotiva is the audio THUMP with the Roku devices when there is a loss or change in the audio stream from multi to stereo. On the input from the roku have you tried assigning stereo signals to a multi channel format like all channel stereo or plxii music?
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Post by rob80b on Mar 27, 2019 7:08:52 GMT -5
On the input from the roku have you tried assigning stereo signals to a multi channel format like all channel stereo or plxii music? Yep...tried that...on the UMC-1 had it assigned to NEO 6 as the default to keep all channels active...I'll see soon enough how the MC-700 responds to the handshaking. The Apple TV is less problematic but it processes Prime only in stereo, if the Roku still responds badly with the new processor I may need to pick up an ATV4 which does process Prime in multi channel.
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 27, 2019 9:10:58 GMT -5
Ahh, I forgot the Canada part, but I'd think you could get ebay sellers to ship up North. Chad does it a fair bit of the time. Quirks: loss of video or audio or both when switching between inputs. That was/is the main problem which would require a reboot of the MC and/or the source to fix. Now I have it where it rarely occurs. After that, very slow HDMI source switching but that is inherent to how they implemented it so nothing one can do about that but meditate while waiting. There's an MC problems thread somewhere where the other owners listed their issues. I was checking out related problems....as for switching inputs....it's rare unless I get the urge to play a Blu-ray instead of streaming....not a big deal...but I could see this as a real pita if one regularly does. One issue I've seen that has yet to be resolved, and I believe it's with most processors not just Emotiva is the audio THUMP with the Roku devices when there is a loss or change in the audio stream from multi to stereo. The loss of audio/video would not only occur when switching inputs - ie. BR player to cable box, but when changing either channels within the cable box, or switching from a channel to a DVR recorded show and back. Basically anything that initiated the MC to re-handshake. If you really only use it for occasional movies and mostly music, you should be fine. It's preamp section for music is excellent.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 27, 2019 10:16:51 GMT -5
I was checking out related problems....as for switching inputs....it's rare unless I get the urge to play a Blu-ray instead of streaming....not a big deal...but I could see this as a real pita if one regularly does. One issue I've seen that has yet to be resolved, and I believe it's with most processors not just Emotiva is the audio THUMP with the Roku devices when there is a loss or change in the audio stream from multi to stereo. The loss of audio/video would not only occur when switching inputs - ie. BR player to cable box, but when changing either channels within the cable box, or switching from a channel to a DVR recorded show and back. Basically anything that initiated the MC to re-handshake. If you really only use it for occasional movies and mostly music, you should be fine. It's preamp section for music is excellent. There are just too many variables at play today...and not everyone is playing by the same rules...nor communicating...hard for any processor to properly juggle all different protocols between devices and source material...HDCP hand shaking, metadata formats, EDID memory.... and 4K only opened up a can of worms...HDR10, Dolby Vision, tone mapping.....I'll keep it simple for now. : )
As for music, I'm still old school, mostly CDs with a Bryston BCD-1, a bit of vinyl on a Rega P25 turntable and incidental back-round music streamed from my iPhone to a Blu-tooth to RCA adapter all going through the Emotiva XSP-1 .Gen II.
I will give the MC-700 a try with music sources though just to see how they compare.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 27, 2019 13:48:55 GMT -5
Well that was pretty painless...dropped off by Puralator..and had the MC-700 up in running in no time with my ATV, Roku stick and Sony BDP....crossovers were already set at 80....did a sound check and all was in order. Longest part was renaming my inputs. lol. Might try the EMOQ but first to set up my distances manually. Will report back on my "dare to buy" the MC-700 works out problem free....oh it came with the latest 2.9.3 firmware.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 28, 2019 8:36:56 GMT -5
So set up is very similar to the UMC-1, unfortunately so are the HDMI quirks...delayed audio, no audio etc.... Going through the threads it looks like unfortunately one just has to live with them...I'm using all non 4K devices so setup on HDMI inputs 4 (ATV2),5 (Roku Stick) and 6 (Sony BDP) and HDMI output 2 to the Epson Pro Cinema 4030. Of course Keith over at Emotivia went on as to why....that was almost 2 years ago... emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/49871/mc-700-issue-list?page=8&scrollTo=890474Except for 3D which I’m going to try this eve through the generous loan of a 3D player and lots of movies from my Bro...unless for whatever reason I go 4K there’s not any real benefit at this time from the older UMC-1, it’s just too bad it went up in smoke. : ( Nice n tidy looking unit though...matches my XSP-1 Gen II preamp. : )
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Post by rob80b on Mar 28, 2019 10:18:42 GMT -5
So set up is very similar to the UMC-1, unfortunately so are the HDMI quirks...delayed audio, no audio etc.... ...............unless for whatever reason I go 4K there’s not any real benefit at this time from the older UMC-1, it’s just too bad it went up in smoke. : ( Oddly...was trying to sell the UMC-1 "as is" but just hooked it up in another system to verify it was "not" working correctly and now it appears to be working fine... ?? oh well
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Post by daveczski65 on Mar 28, 2019 18:12:38 GMT -5
I finally got my Interga DTR 40.4 and lucky me got one that wont power on at all.So back too accessories4less maybe i should have just stuck with emotiva,,at least it powered on!!lol
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 28, 2019 20:44:51 GMT -5
So set up is very similar to the UMC-1, unfortunately so are the HDMI quirks...delayed audio, no audio etc.... I found that even though I didn't have 4k sources, using the 2.0a HDMI inputs (#1-3) and the 2.0a output to the TV resulted in pretty much eliminating the remaining times I lost audio or video when switching sources or channels. Going to 4k cables eliminated say 80% of the losses, but then switching to the 2.0a inputs eliminated 19+% more. To be honest, it hasn't happened in a year or 2 now. You do lose the OSD but that was an ok tradeoff. It is slow to switch, for sure, but I found once I got a projector for my XMC-1 setup that began switching almost as slow so I'm used to it. It'll be interesting to see if your UMC stays alive or not, and what you do with the MC. Good luck.
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Post by Ex_Vintage on Mar 28, 2019 21:57:27 GMT -5
So set up is very similar to the UMC-1, unfortunately so are the HDMI quirks...delayed audio, no audio etc.... I found that even though I didn't have 4k sources, using the 2.0a HDMI inputs (#1-3) and the 2.0a output to the TV resulted in pretty much eliminating the remaining times I lost audio or video when switching sources or channels. Going to 4k cables eliminated say 80% of the losses, but then switching to the 2.0a inputs eliminated 19+% more. To be honest, it hasn't happened in a year or 2 now.I thought from an earlier post that you went to a Denon AVR that was much better in every respect to the MC.?
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Post by The History Kid on Mar 28, 2019 22:10:44 GMT -5
I finally got my Interga DTR 40.4 and lucky me got one that wont power on at all.So back too accessories4less maybe i should have just stuck with emotiva,,at least it powered on!!lol Bummer - although the Fusion 8100's I had eventually stopped powering on at all, the XDA-2 I had couldn't use the remote because the IR sensor went bad, the ERC-1's I had both randomly stopped reading discs, and one even ate one... I encourage you and everyone else, if you have problems with a product on A4L in the future to contact the manufacturer. Usually they'll just swap out for another one - and sometimes it'll even be NOS.
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 29, 2019 8:40:31 GMT -5
I found that even though I didn't have 4k sources, using the 2.0a HDMI inputs (#1-3) and the 2.0a output to the TV resulted in pretty much eliminating the remaining times I lost audio or video when switching sources or channels. Going to 4k cables eliminated say 80% of the losses, but then switching to the 2.0a inputs eliminated 19+% more. To be honest, it hasn't happened in a year or 2 now.I thought from an earlier post that you went to a Denon AVR that was much better in every respect to the MC.? Nope. I posted after him saying my MC, although buggier, was clearly sonically superior to the Denon it replaced.
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Post by rob80b on Mar 29, 2019 13:19:18 GMT -5
So set up is very similar to the UMC-1, unfortunately so are the HDMI quirks...delayed audio, no audio etc.... ...............unless for whatever reason I go 4K there’s not any real benefit at this time from the older UMC-1, it’s just too bad it went up in smoke. : ( Oddly...was trying to sell the UMC-1 "as is" but just hooked it up in another system to verify it was "not" working correctly and now it appears to be working fine... ?? oh well Great... ....with the UMC-1 acting up I thought it was a great excuse to upgrade to a 4K compatible processor even if I'm still all 1080 ...well half way through a movie yesterday evening I had the same 10-15 second blackouts and that I experienced with all sources on the UMC-1 but now on the MC-700.... Could of swore it was the UMC-1 as I tried all the sources connected directly to the projectors 50' cable without any blackouts, these are different than the normal audio delays, or no audio...the screen goes black with no error messages or odd behavior from the projector or processor, clears up and things then return to normal Doing a bit of research it appears that the culprit is most likely the 50' HDMI cable which had been functioning fine, probably a bit of oxidization..or something along those lines. And here I had my UMC-1 listed "As Is" for a song ..when it wasn't to blame at all....well it's now relisted but priced according. I'd return the MC-700 and reinstall the UMC-1 but unfortunately here in Canada we do not have same 30 day return from our distributors...more like a 14 day with 10-15% restocking. : ( At least it matches my XSP-1 Gen II and I'm nor ready for 4K and HDR. : )
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