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Post by dsonyay on Mar 24, 2019 13:43:20 GMT -5
Wow.. so speaker placement makes a difference. I've been playing abound with toe-in over the past few months with my Klipsch towers. Never really was wowed by any position.. either sounded good or pretty good.
Today.. no toe-in. The difference was kinda stunning. I love the sound difference this made. Not sure why. Im getting interesting sound from all angles. Playing a Wynton Marsalis album and his horns appear to come from off to the side while other instruments come at me head on. Also the highs have a better crispness.
It's not that I didn't believe positioning was important, it's just I kept playing with different degrees of toe-in.
Also.. these towers like to be pulled two feet from the walls. A foot and a half at minimum.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 24, 2019 14:13:03 GMT -5
Wow.. so speaker placement makes a difference. I've been playing abound with toe-in over the past few months with my Klipsch towers. Never really was wowed by any position.. either sounded good or pretty good. Today.. no toe-in. The difference was kinda stunning. I love the sound difference this made. Not sure why. Im getting interesting sound from all angles. Playing a Wynton Marsalis album and his horns appear to come from off to the side while other instruments come at me head on. Also the highs have a better crispness. It's not that I didn't believe positioning was important, it's just I kept playing with different degrees of toe-in. Also.. these towers like to be pulled two feet from the walls. A foot and a half at minimum. we call that the Dance! keep them moving until they're near as perfect as you can get. |
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 24, 2019 14:26:25 GMT -5
Wow.. so speaker placement makes a difference. I've been playing abound with toe-in over the past few months with my Klipsch towers. Never really was wowed by any position.. either sounded good or pretty good. Today.. no toe-in. The difference was kinda stunning. I love the sound difference this made. Not sure why. Im getting interesting sound from all angles. Playing a Wynton Marsalis album and his horns appear to come from off to the side while other instruments come at me head on. Also the highs have a better crispness. It's not that I didn't believe positioning was important, it's just I kept playing with different degrees of toe-in. Also.. these towers like to be pulled two feet from the walls. A foot and a half at minimum. I’ve had “automatic” toe-in going on for quite some time.... Bill  |
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 24, 2019 14:51:57 GMT -5
And the degree of toe-in (or none at all - or even a slight toe-out) depends ENTIRELY on the room. What works in one room doesn't in another. Add or remove absorbent furniture or panels - things change. With the right position, even a cheap pair of speakers can stun. With the wrong positioning, the most expensive speakers can suck. Along with toe angle (and distance from the rear wall) try experimenting with how widely the speakers are set from each other. My T2s seem to like being wider apart than many pairs of speakers. And they also like to be faced with no toe in at all in that position. Move them closer together, and they want toe-in! Move them toward the back wall, and bass becomes a mush. Away from the wall, there's less bass, but more bass clarity.
Where the speakers image best, they might even want a subwoofer!
Who'd have thought it?
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Post by dsonyay on Mar 24, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -5
And the degree of toe-in (or none at all - or even a slight toe-out) depends ENTIRELY on the room. What works in one room doesn't in another. Add or remove absorbent furniture or panels - things change. With the right position, even a cheap pair of speakers can stun. With the wrong positioning, the most expensive speakers can suck. Along with toe angle (and distance from the rear wall) try experimenting with how widely the speakers are set from each other. My T2s seem to like being wider apart than many pairs of speakers. And they also like to be faced with no toe in at all in that position. Move them closer together, and they want toe-in! Move them toward the back wall, and bass becomes a mush. Away from the wall, there's less bass, but more bass clarity. Where the speakers image best, they might even want a subwoofer! Who'd have thought it? I know what you mean about the positioning making even cheap speakers sound great.. there was a point where I was thinking my speakers kinda stunk. But as I played with placement, things improved a lot. Today, things came together. Cant play with the width too much but will try that as well. |
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Post by dsonyay on Mar 24, 2019 15:30:29 GMT -5
And the degree of toe-in (or none at all - or even a slight toe-out) depends ENTIRELY on the room. What works in one room doesn't in another. Add or remove absorbent furniture or panels - things change. With the right position, even a cheap pair of speakers can stun. With the wrong positioning, the most expensive speakers can suck. Along with toe angle (and distance from the rear wall) try experimenting with how widely the speakers are set from each other. My T2s seem to like being wider apart than many pairs of speakers. And they also like to be faced with no toe in at all in that position. Move them closer together, and they want toe-in! Move them toward the back wall, and bass becomes a mush. Away from the wall, there's less bass, but more bass clarity. Where the speakers image best, they might even want a subwoofer! Who'd have thought it? They seem to do fine with bass. And they don't like being close to the wall. 18 inches to two feet seems great. I'll probably experiment a bit more, but for now I've found a nice setting. |
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Post by jmasterj on Mar 24, 2019 15:56:28 GMT -5
I discovered that not only does the placement as far as distance is concerned matter, but height matters as well. I noticed a dramatic change in the presentation for my bookshelf speakers when I switched from 26 inch short stands, to some adjustable stands set at 31 inches . I also discovered that placing 1 inch bottle caps under the front speaker spikes on my M-Lores dramatically changes their presentation. The M-Lores are short, 34 inches tall I found I listen to them more with the caps in place then I do without the caps. The caps angle the speakers up more towards the ears keep experimenting !
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Post by garbulky on Mar 24, 2019 16:08:47 GMT -5
And the degree of toe-in (or none at all - or even a slight toe-out) depends ENTIRELY on the room. What works in one room doesn't in another. Add or remove absorbent furniture or panels - things change. With the right position, even a cheap pair of speakers can stun. With the wrong positioning, the most expensive speakers can suck. Along with toe angle (and distance from the rear wall) try experimenting with how widely the speakers are set from each other. My T2s seem to like being wider apart than many pairs of speakers. And they also like to be faced with no toe in at all in that position. Move them closer together, and they want toe-in! Move them toward the back wall, and bass becomes a mush. Away from the wall, there's less bass, but more bass clarity. Where the speakers image best, they might even want a subwoofer! Who'd have thought it? They seem to do fine with bass. And they don't like being close to the wall. 18 inches to two feet seems great. I'll probably experiment a bit more, but for now I've found a nice setting. Also there is an optimal amount about how far apart the speakers are. That can really help the soundstage |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 24, 2019 18:24:45 GMT -5
I discovered that not only does the placement as far as distance is concerned matter, but height matters as well. I noticed a dramatic change in the presentation for my bookshelf speakers when I switched from 26 inch short stands, to some adjustable stands set at 31 inches . I also discovered that placing 1 inch bottle caps under the front speaker spikes on my M-Lores dramatically changes their presentation. The M-Lores are short, 34 inches tall I found I listen to them more with the caps in place then I do without the caps. The caps angle the speakers up more towards the ears keep experimenting ! Are your ears roughly in line with the tweeter? |
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 25, 2019 5:13:47 GMT -5
In my case, yes - my ears are at tweeter level. HOWEVER, if you were a shorter person, you might find your ears below the tweeter. Two ways to fix that - get a taller listening chain OR use the (included) threaded feet/spikes to tilt the speakers slightly forward so that the tweeters point at your ears.
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Post by bootman on Mar 25, 2019 7:48:06 GMT -5
As a previous Maggie owner I know all about how placement affects the sounds.
Some speakers are very fussy with placements (maggies) while others seem not to care as much.
speaker designs with really good off axis response for example.
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Post by jackfish on Mar 25, 2019 8:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 25, 2019 9:13:08 GMT -5
Once you have your speakers 🔊 in your room long enough you learn to tailor the sound by just repositioning your speakers.
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Post by jmasterj on Mar 25, 2019 10:47:26 GMT -5
I discovered that not only does the placement as far as distance is concerned matter, but height matters as well. I noticed a dramatic change in the presentation for my bookshelf speakers when I switched from 26 inch short stands, to some adjustable stands set at 31 inches . I also discovered that placing 1 inch bottle caps under the front speaker spikes on my M-Lores dramatically changes their presentation. The M-Lores are short, 34 inches tall I found I listen to them more with the caps in place then I do without the caps. The caps angle the speakers up more towards the ears keep experimenting ! Are your ears roughly in line with the tweeter? I think that because of the way the M-Lores are designed with the bass driver positioned above the hi frequency driver in the cabinet the one inch boost in height on the front spikes angles the hi frequency drivers more directly at the ears. The same was noticed with the bookshelf speakers when they were raised to ear level. |
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