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Post by DYohn on Jun 10, 2019 16:49:27 GMT -5
I can't believe that after this 3rd thread no one knows that the OP just got himself some Maggies. So THAT is why he's wondering. I think most people here will say that with Maggies subs are an absolute must. Although I'd say it has to do more with what kind of music you are playing, and if you are using them for HT duty. I mean if all you do is listen to light acoustic jazz, a sub isn't required. A properly integrated sub will give that upright acoustic bass the proper bottom...
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Post by klinemj on Jun 10, 2019 18:44:20 GMT -5
When should you add a sub to your system? When you buy some Maggie 1.7's, you should add a sub. And - contrary to popular myth, you can indeed run a sub in reference stereo if you get creative and have the right sub. If you want to know how, I'll find the link I created and add it here. Mark
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Post by klinemj on Jun 10, 2019 18:45:49 GMT -5
And +1 to DYohn and his comment about acoustic bass. A sub with that makes it all real. Without a sub, it's missing something with the Maggies. Mark
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 10, 2019 19:07:22 GMT -5
^^True.
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 10, 2019 19:35:44 GMT -5
I can't believe that after this 3rd thread no one knows that the OP just got himself some Maggies. So THAT is why he's wondering. I think most people here will say that with Maggies subs are an absolute must. Although I'd say it has to do more with what kind of music you are playing, and if you are using them for HT duty. I mean if all you do is listen to light acoustic jazz, a sub isn't required. A properly integrated sub will give that upright acoustic bass the proper bottom... Yes, of course. I was thinking more along the lines of solo acoustic guitar jazz, not a trio or what have you. Bass is bass, so if there is a bass instrument its going to be better with a sub with Maggies. But there is also, for example, a lot of rock and roll stuff that just wasn't recorded with heavy duty bass. While a sub would make it better, its not always critical depending on the source. I'm sure to the dismay of people here, there are in fact plenty of people running Maggies sans subs.
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 10, 2019 19:38:21 GMT -5
And +1 to DYohn and his comment about acoustic bass. A sub with that makes it all real. Without a sub, it's missing something with the Maggies. Mark Mark, you're a good example if I'm right. Did you not live with your Maggies for quite some time without that monster sub you have now? Sure, there was more with the sub, but you still enjoyed them without it. Also, I believe the OP has the 3.6 or 3.7s, which I believe go a bit lower than your 1.7s. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 10, 2019 19:42:39 GMT -5
When should you add a sub to your system? When you buy some Maggie 1.7's, you should add a sub. And - contrary to popular myth, you can indeed run a sub in reference stereo if you get creative and have the right sub. If you want to know how, I'll find the link I created and add it here. Mark Having a sub with the right input is key. Glad they are available and the entire industry hasn't abandoned that option like they have with what I want from a processor.
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Jun 10, 2019 20:47:04 GMT -5
I run a JL Audio F110 with my Maggie 3.7is. Its the first sub I owned that I liked with maggies. Previously I had a M&K and later a Def Tech. They never seemed to blend well and were used only when watching movies. The JL though really brings a nice full bottom that complements the maggies when listening to music.
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Post by klinemj on Jun 10, 2019 21:02:53 GMT -5
And +1 to DYohn and his comment about acoustic bass. A sub with that makes it all real. Without a sub, it's missing something with the Maggies. Mark Mark, you're a good example if I'm right. Did you not live with your Maggies for quite some time without that monster sub you have now? Sure, there was more with the sub, but you still enjoyed them without it. Also, I believe the OP has the 3.6 or 3.7s, which I believe go a bit lower than your 1.7s. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I had a sub when I got the Maggies - just not the one I have now. I used a Paradigm Ultracube 10. And, I was running my 2 channel through Dirac or prior to that using my XSP-1 and HT Bypass Once I got the Geek DAC, I needed to change things up to avoid using processing in the XMC-1. That's when things got a little crazy with wiring. The 3.6/3.7 do go lower, but I thought I saw he had 1.7i's (at least that's what is in his signature). Mark
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 10, 2019 21:07:48 GMT -5
When should you add a sub to your system? Will talk about it when you get back
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Post by jackfish on Jun 10, 2019 21:37:17 GMT -5
And they would be missing program material on many albums, and certainly most movies.
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Post by widespreadpanic on Jun 10, 2019 21:50:53 GMT -5
Howdy everyone and thank you kindly for your replies. To be more specific, I posted in the “HT Zone” to get opinions on subs in a home theater system. Sorry I assumed everyone would have caught that. It’s like when I took my math exam and made a 100% but didn’t get full credit for the bonus problem because I didn’t write out the formula. When I pointed out to my professor that there was no way I could get to the correct answer without knowing it, he gave me full credit points for the bonus problem. As I stated to him, “ I assumed it was understood.”. But I digress.
So I am putting together a totally new HT 7.1 ( or 7.2 ), system. I just wanted to know, from those who know, when to add a sub.
And for those who have been keeping up and know the formula as well, thanks for paying attention.
Haven’t changed my signature yet but I got rid of everything except the Emotiva stuff. I’ve purchased 2 additional DR1’s, the 3.7i’s, as mentioned previously in this thread, a Vizio P65 F1, an LG 65C8 and an oppo 203. I have Audio Art interconnects and am waiting on some Morrow SP6 cables to come in before I can set up my 2 channel gear. And now I am considering the subs for my stereo system now. Sigh....can the building ever stop? Geez I gotta get a second job!
THANKS AGAIN to everyone who helps me, I really appreciate your consideration and time.
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Post by klinemj on Jun 10, 2019 22:37:35 GMT -5
Howdy everyone and thank you kindly for your replies. To be more specific, I posted in the “HT Zone” to get opinions on subs in a home theater system. Sorry I assumed everyone would have caught that. It’s like when I took my math exam and made a 100% but didn’t get full credit for the bonus problem because I didn’t write out the formula. When I pointed out to my professor that there was no way I could get to the correct answer without knowing it, he gave me full credit points for the bonus problem. As I stated to him, “ I assumed it was understood.”. But I digress. So I am putting together a totally new HT 7.1 ( or 7.2 ), system. I just wanted to know, from those who know, when to add a sub. And for those who have been keeping up and know the formula as well, thanks for paying attention. Haven’t changed my signature yet but I got rid of everything except the Emotiva stuff. I’ve purchased 2 additional DR1’s, the 3.7i’s, as mentioned previously in this thread, a Vizio P65 F1, an LG 65C8 and an oppo 203. I have Audio Art interconnects and am waiting on some Morrow SP6 cables to come in before I can set up my 2 channel gear. And now I am considering the subs for my stereo system now. Sigh....can the building ever stop? Geez I gotta get a second job! THANKS AGAIN to everyone who helps me, I really appreciate your consideration and time. I've only heard the 3.7's a little bit, but from a spec point of view - they only go another 5 hz down from 1.7's. Given that, I'd use a sub with them still. And, for HT use, I'd include a sub from day 1. Mark
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Jun 11, 2019 6:15:42 GMT -5
"Sigh....can the building ever stop?"
No.
My wife asks me the same thing. I've always told her the system is ever evolving, but I think she expected there would be a point in which I could not possibly do anything further. I keep proving her wrong. LOL
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 11, 2019 7:54:01 GMT -5
“So I am putting together a totally new HT 7.1 ( or 7.2 ), system. I just wanted to know, from those who know, when to add a sub.” The answer to your specific question is immediately. If you play HT with any kind of serious volume and rely on the system at full range (LFE) without a sub./subs, you risk damage to your full range speakers from over excursion. Bill
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Post by jackfish on Jun 11, 2019 10:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 11, 2019 11:12:37 GMT -5
What other subs you have compared these ones against? Thanks.
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Post by pop on Jun 11, 2019 11:44:29 GMT -5
Highly recommend Power Sound Audio if budget allows. Best value performance I’ve heard out of subwoofers. I’ve owned 6 of their subwoofers. All have been amazing
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 11, 2019 16:20:07 GMT -5
Mark, you're a good example if I'm right. Did you not live with your Maggies for quite some time without that monster sub you have now? Sure, there was more with the sub, but you still enjoyed them without it. Also, I believe the OP has the 3.6 or 3.7s, which I believe go a bit lower than your 1.7s. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I had a sub when I got the Maggies - just not the one I have now. I used a Paradigm Ultracube 10. And, I was running my 2 channel through Dirac or prior to that using my XSP-1 and HT Bypass Once I got the Geek DAC, I needed to change things up to avoid using processing in the XMC-1. That's when things got a little crazy with wiring. The 3.6/3.7 do go lower, but I thought I saw he had 1.7i's (at least that's what is in his signature). Mark Gotcha. I was mistaken then. My bad.
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Post by widespreadpanic on Jun 11, 2019 16:22:10 GMT -5
“So I am putting together a totally new HT 7.1 ( or 7.2 ), system. I just wanted to know, from those who know, when to add a sub.” The answer to your specific question is immediately. If you play HT with any kind of serious volume and rely on the system at full range (LFE) without a sub./subs, you risk damage to your full range speakers from over excursion. Bill Thanks for that important piece of information, Bill.
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