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Post by Bonzo on Jun 14, 2019 20:16:17 GMT -5
and seeing it sufficiently bug-free. I will not be an early adopter. Mark A HUGE big deal for me. Bug free or forget about any of them. Last I read Lonnie said he felt the RMC-1 was 95% solid, and that was a while back. Not good enough for me. Not even close. Emotiva has a FACTUAL proven track record of getting to a point with processors and saying "that's it, we're done, don't like it, too bad." Their answer to quiet the Bonzomites; 25% upgrade for life programs (now defunct) and 40% discount cards (they won't return with their 30 day MBG). Its a big shell game. Unfortunately only the RMC-1 is even in the cards anymore for me. I'll probably be selling my 40% card at some point. Won't look to make money, only recoop what I paid for it. The disgusting part is if they don't fix the RMC-1, I might not even be able to do that. People won't be suckers forever. Oh, and I voted for a used XMC-1. Except for lacking Atmos its my favorite. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 14, 2019 21:52:48 GMT -5
I actually found the theatre (30+ speakers/channels) not a good indicator of what it would be like in my room (5.1.2), the experiences were just too different. ... Gary I agree that like 5.1 is a bigger bang than 7.2, the x.x.2 is the first big bang for immersive sound. I have two speakers sitting in my loft ready to hook to the XMC-2 when it’s ready. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 14, 2019 22:00:17 GMT -5
I am interested in the XMC-2, pending knowing what Dirac version it will have and seeing it sufficiently bug-free. I will not be an early adopter. Mark Didn't someone post that Dirac has gone to a unified code base across all platforms, meaning everyone will get the same, latest and greatest version? |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 14, 2019 23:43:42 GMT -5
My vote is for a 5th option, NONE!!
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Post by adaboy on Jun 14, 2019 23:49:21 GMT -5
My vote is for a 5th option, NONE!! ☝️ |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 15, 2019 3:43:42 GMT -5
I am interested in the XMC-2, pending knowing what Dirac version it will have and seeing it sufficiently bug-free. I will not be an early adopter. Mark Didn't someone post that Dirac has gone to a unified code base across all platforms, meaning everyone will get the same, latest and greatest version? If they did, I missed it. And I would like to hear from Emotiva on this. Mark |
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Post by cwt on Jun 15, 2019 5:26:39 GMT -5
Didn't someone post that Dirac has gone to a unified code base across all platforms, meaning everyone will get the same, latest and greatest version? If they did, I missed it. And I would like to hear from Emotiva on this. Mark A post from goozoo [ who has industry business ties ] made a lot of sense considering the delays Mark  emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/991579/threadConsidering too Diracs comment of a new module every so often that is dependant on the new algorithm ; its a fait accompli that Emo of necessity has to upgrade or be left floundering ;imho . |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2019 7:42:37 GMT -5
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Post by klinemj on Jun 15, 2019 8:20:27 GMT -5
If they did, I missed it. And I would like to hear from Emotiva on this. Mark A post from goozoo [ who has industry business ties ] made a lot of sense considering the delays Mark emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/991579/threadConsidering too Diracs comment of a new module every so often that is dependant on the new algorithm ; its a fait accompli that Emo of necessity has to upgrade or be left floundering ;imho . I'd seen that, but I'd still like to hear from Emotiva on what they plan to offer. I'd expect the 3 tiers of bass mgmt to be options we could get - but at this point - who knows w/o formal word. And, regardless of the impact of technical progress on 2.0 and the new bass add-ons, I also expect Emotiva should now know what they will or won't offer. Mark |
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Post by cwt on Jun 15, 2019 13:00:20 GMT -5
I'd seen that, but I'd still like to hear from Emotiva on what they plan to offer. I'd expect the 3 tiers of bass mgmt to be options we could get - but at this point - who knows w/o formal word. And, regardless of the impact of technical progress on 2.0 and the new bass add-ons, I also expect Emotiva should now know what they will or won't offer. Mark Yes ;the nitty gritty is needed apart from what can be theorised . You know they are headed in the right direction when Keith lists "- additional subwoofer channels (and possibly more advanced subwoofer processing support) " . If so that implies Dirac's new bass management tiered system ; we just don't know what gets what as you say but its a good bet hopefully the RMC1L and 1 will get tier 1 support ; "Tier 1 allows management of any number of subwoofers, analyzing each one to create a single-optimized sub channel that drives each subwoofer. It also enables precise control of frequency cutoffs for all speakers" The specs page is lacking on how many griffin lite dsp's the XMC2 has so once again - conjecture  Looking at the pcb jpeg there is 1 says dual core and one without [ that's visible to me ] as well as a Spartan FPGA 6 series to program what gets done ; www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/fpga/spartan-6.html |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 15, 2019 13:51:39 GMT -5
I'd seen that, but I'd still like to hear from Emotiva on what they plan to offer. I'd expect the 3 tiers of bass mgmt to be options we could get - but at this point - who knows w/o formal word. And, regardless of the impact of technical progress on 2.0 and the new bass add-ons, I also expect Emotiva should now know what they will or won't offer. Mark Yes ;the nitty gritty is needed apart from what can be theorised . You know they are headed in the right direction when Keith lists "- additional subwoofer channels (and possibly more advanced subwoofer processing support) " . If so that implies Dirac's new bass management tiered system ; we just don't know what gets what as you say but its a good bet hopefully the RMC1L and 1 will get tier 1 support ; "Tier 1 allows management of any number of subwoofers, analyzing each one to create a single-optimized sub channel that drives each subwoofer. It also enables precise control of frequency cutoffs for all speakers" The specs page is lacking on how many griffin lite dsp's the XMC2 has so once again - conjecture Looking at the pcb jpeg there is 1 says dual core and one without [ that's visible to me ] as well as a Spartan FPGA 6 series to program what gets done ; www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/fpga/spartan-6.html Indeed...we can imply (aka, "assume"), but of course...we know what happens when we "assume..." I'd like to see it written (and delivered the way Dirac says they are offering it). Mark |
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Post by thrillcat on Jun 15, 2019 14:20:23 GMT -5
My guess (again, assuming) is that, since all this involves coding on Dirac's end, they're not going to mess around with older versions for new products. Dirac has a newer product, and I would imagine it would not make good business sense on THEIR end to hobble together an old product for a new release. For the same reason it makes all the sense in the world for Emotiva to stop further development on the XMC-1 and focus all their resources on the single-platform XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1.
Just my guess, but I can't see either company putting an old version into a new product. It just doesn't make any sense. Microsoft doesn't include offer XP to a hardware manufacturer who wants to save a couple bucks, why would Dirac?
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Post by klinemj on Jun 15, 2019 14:55:45 GMT -5
My guess (again, assuming) is that, since all this involves coding on Dirac's end, they're not going to mess around with older versions for new products. Dirac has a newer product, and I would imagine it would not make good business sense on THEIR end to hobble together an old product for a new release. For the same reason it makes all the sense in the world for Emotiva to stop further development on the XMC-1 and focus all their resources on the single-platform XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1. Just my guess, but I can't see either company putting an old version into a new product. It just doesn't make any sense. Microsoft doesn't include offer XP to a hardware manufacturer who wants to save a couple bucks, why would Dirac? I'm not trying to say that the new processors will have an old version of Dirac. I'm just saying that when the XMC-1 came out, there was an expensive Dirac version anyone could buy (And use on their PC). Dirac provided an inexpensive version built into the XMC-1 (that didn't include all the Dirac features) and another version we could buy ($99?) and use with the XMC-1. While Dirac appears to say that "all Diracs will now be created equal/everyone gets the same thing", I'd like to hear direct from Emotiva what we'll be getting. Will it be the new v2? Surely. Will it be the exact same thing other buyers (non-Emotiva) will get? I think so...but I don't know so. I'd like to know. I'd also like to know if prior Dirac Full customers (who bought the extra cost Dirac - like me) get any break off any of the new Dirac Bass Modules. Mark |
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Post by thrillcat on Jun 15, 2019 15:05:22 GMT -5
when the XMC-1 came out, there was an expensive Dirac version anyone could buy (And use on their PC). Dirac provided an inexpensive version built into the XMC-1 (that didn't include all the Dirac features) and another version we could buy ($99?) and use with the XMC-1. While Dirac appears to say that "all Diracs will now be created equal/everyone gets the same thing", I'd like to hear direct from Emotiva what we'll be getting. Will it be the new v2? Surely. Will it be the exact same thing other buyers (non-Emotiva) will get? I think so...but I don't know so. I'd like to know. I'd also like to know if prior Dirac Full customers (who bought the extra cost Dirac - like me) get any break off any of the new Dirac Bass Modules. Mark Valid questions. I wasn't singling you out directly. There are some folks on here, though, who have a low enough opinion of Emotiva that they seem to think there's a chance they will try to include a several year old version of Dirac on their new processors. I don't think that will be the case at all, but the questions you've raised here are definitely valid, and are likely not even answered yet in Franklin, hence the silence. I would imagine they want to test this brand new code from Dirac and confirm that the RMC-1 is fully capable of running it. If there are Dirac features that the RMC-1 would not be capable of running, it's understandable that they would deactivate those features prior to release. I think they would want to see how it runs before they decide what they're going to release. Maybe they will have the option of disabling the expanded bass management and include a key to unlock it with the purchase of the expanded bass module for the RMC-1. Maybe they can disable processing of channels over 16, and only include a key for that feature with expansion modules, to keep the cost down for those of us who will likely never go past 16 channels. There's a lot they're just now able to figure out, and they'll answer the questions when they've had a chance to find the answer. |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 15, 2019 16:29:36 GMT -5
when the XMC-1 came out, there was an expensive Dirac version anyone could buy (And use on their PC). Dirac provided an inexpensive version built into the XMC-1 (that didn't include all the Dirac features) and another version we could buy ($99?) and use with the XMC-1. While Dirac appears to say that "all Diracs will now be created equal/everyone gets the same thing", I'd like to hear direct from Emotiva what we'll be getting. Will it be the new v2? Surely. Will it be the exact same thing other buyers (non-Emotiva) will get? I think so...but I don't know so. I'd like to know. I'd also like to know if prior Dirac Full customers (who bought the extra cost Dirac - like me) get any break off any of the new Dirac Bass Modules. Mark Valid questions. I wasn't singling you out directly. There are some folks on here, though, who have a low enough opinion of Emotiva that they seem to think there's a chance they will try to include a several year old version of Dirac on their new processors. I don't think that will be the case at all, but the questions you've raised here are definitely valid, and are likely not even answered yet in Franklin, hence the silence. I would imagine they want to test this brand new code from Dirac and confirm that the RMC-1 is fully capable of running it. If there are Dirac features that the RMC-1 would not be capable of running, it's understandable that they would deactivate those features prior to release.I think they would want to see how it runs before they decide what they're going to release. Maybe they will have the option of disabling the expanded bass management and include a key to unlock it with the purchase of the expanded bass module for the RMC-1. Maybe they can disable processing of channels over 16, and only include a key for that feature with expansion modules, to keep the cost down for those of us who will likely never go past 16 channels. There's a lot they're just now able to figure out, and they'll answer the questions when they've had a chance to find the answer. Interesting thought that I put in bold...I had not considered that. Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 16, 2019 7:40:31 GMT -5
Looking at the poll results, first of all - they make a lot of sense! Second, if they get these things working well - they will likely sell very well. Third, they've talked about a model below the XMC-2. I wonder what all that will entail, and I'd bet we'd see the % buying that being pretty high!
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 16, 2019 9:40:26 GMT -5
The poll doesn’t include the XMC1 that was bought new, (like I did) but whatever, I skipped voting rather then checking the last one.....
Why.....because the whole processor upgrade parade is based on a time framework that’s too short IMHO.
My first AV processor is in boxed storage after being purchased in 2001, and delivered fantastic sound until HDMI switching and audio integration had me replace it with the XMC in 2014.
When I did that, my sound was already SO good, I was only hoping that I wouldn’t loose anything in the transition.
While waiting to take delivery, along comes object based audio with end users who never experienced it trying to tell us a product that’s just hitting the shelves is outdated, even when it’s cutting edge state of the art for anyone who is into mainstream HT.
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Post by petew on Jun 16, 2019 10:49:49 GMT -5
.....because the whole processor upgrade parade is based on a time framework that’s too short IMHO..... Agree 100% I am now shopping for my last HT processor ever. I am done with keeping up with CE manufacturers and HDMI crap. Atmos, DTS-X, 4k, HDR and Dolby Vision - all good enough. The only other upgrade for me might be a new HDR capable, true 4k projector at some point in the distant future. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 16, 2019 11:17:52 GMT -5
The poll doesn’t include the XMC1 that was bought new, (like I did) but whatever, I skipped voting rather then checking the last one..... Why.....because the whole processor upgrade parade is based on a time framework that’s too short IMHO. My first AV processor is in boxed storage after being purchased in 2001, and delivered fantastic sound until HDMI switching and audio integration had me replace it with the XMC in 2014. When I did that, my sound was already SO good, I was only hoping that I wouldn’t loose anything in the transition. While waiting to take delivery, along comes object based audio with end users who never experienced it trying to tell us a product that’s just hitting the shelves is outdated, even when it’s cutting edge state of the art for anyone who is into mainstream HT. Bill I don’t understand why you can’t consider “Buy or Keep a Used/Refurbished XMC-1” to fit your situation, I thought about it carefully when I wrote it. As far as I know you can no longer buy a ‘New’ XMC-1, and if any of us had to describe our current XMC-1’s (which most of us bought new) the correct term would be ‘Used’ (regardless of condition). We also know there will be Trade in’s for sale soon, so refurbished is included. The poll was designed to include those, like you, who want to keep their XMC-1’s, but was intended to only give one choice for each processor in order to give a good indication what people are thinking. If you want to protest my wording by not participating that’s your choice, but as the ‘author’ I can assure you that it was not intended to exclude those who want to continue enjoying the excellent qualities of the XMC-1. I hope you’ll vote with the many who will be keeping their XMC-1’s for years to come. Edit: However, I’ve now edited the title of the thread to make it more inclusive to those planning on keeping their XMC-1. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 16, 2019 14:28:58 GMT -5
The poll doesn’t include the XMC1 that was bought new, (like I did) but whatever, I skipped voting rather then checking the last one..... Why.....because the whole processor upgrade parade is based on a time framework that’s too short IMHO. My first AV processor is in boxed storage after being purchased in 2001, and delivered fantastic sound until HDMI switching and audio integration had me replace it with the XMC in 2014. When I did that, my sound was already SO good, I was only hoping that I wouldn’t loose anything in the transition. While waiting to take delivery, along comes object based audio with end users who never experienced it trying to tell us a product that’s just hitting the shelves is outdated, even when it’s cutting edge state of the art for anyone who is into mainstream HT. Bill I don’t understand why you can’t consider “Buy or Keep a Used/Refurbished XMC-1” to fit your situation, I thought about it carefully when I wrote it. As far as I know you can no longer buy a ‘New’ XMC-1, and if any of us had to describe our current XMC-1’s (which most of us bought new) the correct term would be ‘Used’ (regardless of condition). We also know there will be Trade in’s for sale soon, so refurbished is included. The poll was designed to include those, like you, who want to keep their XMC-1’s, but was intended to only give one choice for each processor in order to give a good indication what people are thinking. If you want to protest my wording by not participating that’s your choice, but as the ‘author’ I can assure you that it was not intended to exclude those who want to continue enjoying the excellent qualities of the XMC-1. I hope you’ll vote with the many who will be keeping their XMC-1’s for years to come. Edit: However, I’ve now edit the title of the thread to make it more inclusive to those planning on keeping their XMC-1. Sorry AudioHTIT, No protest or anything else negative intended. Your thread just made me recall that 2014 and the XMC introduction was not the fun it should have been with the Atmos collision happening at the same time. I actually went back before your edit and gave you the checkbox for keeping the used unit. Bill |
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