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Post by jacketfan on Jun 16, 2019 19:07:42 GMT -5
I replaced my old Lexicon processor with a Marantz 8802 last fall.
Finally added 4 Atmos speakers in my theater and think it is one of the biggest audio improvements since room acoustic treatments. Better than going from 5 to 7 main speakers. Or adding multiple subwoofers.
It may just be my room, but the improvement in surround sound for movies is impressive. Anyone on the fence about Atmos in a home theater should try to audition a theater with the capability somewhere. In my very humble opinion.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 16, 2019 21:07:50 GMT -5
I replaced my old Lexicon processor with a Marantz 8802 last fall. Finally added 4 Atmos speakers in my theater and think it is one of the biggest audio improvements since room acoustic treatments. Better than going from 5 to 7 main speakers. Or adding multiple subwoofers. It may just be my room, but the improvement in surround sound for movies is impressive. Anyone on the fence about Atmos in a home theater should try to audition a theater with the capability somewhere. In my very humble opinion. I just LOVE your enthusiasm BUT ! John Wick 😎 Atmos OR Duel Subs? 🤔 Give me the subs! I really love what Atmos does but if I had to choose it’s the subs and Feeling their percussion all day long. Love your enthusiasm my friend! 👍🎉 |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 17, 2019 11:22:24 GMT -5
Further (wordy) thoughts on eventually buying an RMC-1 (after first trying the XMC-2). So, why not an RMC-2? Well, like davidl81 I do like the size and looks, though still smaller it would look nice on the shelf above my XPA-7 G2. Of course the expansion slots are the real allure, but will they make anything I’ll actually use to put in them? Here’s what KeithL says they’re “seriously considering”. * Phono Preamp Module — I used to want it built in and thought this would be great, but with my Credenza the turntable sits on a separate shelf. The XPS-1 gives me more flexibility and allows for a potentially greater distance between the turntable and RMC-1 (albeit more cables and a power connection). An external phono preamp may also perform better being isolated from the hostile processor environment, and of course you have many choices. So, even though I think a phono module is a good idea, it might not work for me. * Balanced Input Module — I do and will continue to use one pair of balanced ins, but a second pair would be spare at the moment. I can think of a way to hook something to them, but they’d probably sit idle. Still it seems like a good and easy option for the RMC-1 — though if they’ll fit why not two pairs of XLR’s, or one pair XLR and one pair RCA? * Four Channel Expansion Module — Will it be SQ, QS, or CD-4?  (sorry, Quadraphonic humor for the old timers). If the sole purpose of this module is to take the channel count from 16 to 20 to 24 to 28, then I think it’s unlikely I’ll get there. But in the RMC-1 threads there were some chomping at the bit to max out the channel count, another valid option, and opportunity for channel count bragging rights. * Streaming Module — Hmmm, I don’t stream much, but maybe, we’ll see. Seems to be one of the most requested options around here, and if they can parlay the module engineering and also produce a standalone box with the right features for non RMC-1 users, it could be a winner. * Additional Subwoofer Module — I don’t see myself getting more than two subs, but do intend to get two new ones soon. If there’s some compelling reason, possibly with the tiered Dirac model, it’s more likely than an additional 4 channel module, but I’d prefer not to need it. Again, subwoofers get a lot of ink around here so this could be popular. * Digital Inputs Module — Really? There are already nine digital inputs, plus another eight HDMI. What, is there a digital Bonzo lurking here? I can’t imagine needing this, but then I guess that’s what expansion slots are for ... things you can’t imagine. * Video Module — This sounds interesting, I don’t know what it means, and the existing video does ‘most’ of what I need — just needing to do it more reliably with all sources (Mac mini?). Maybe built in HDBaseT, or something ‘specialized’ for projector users, or HDMI 2.1? Probably not for me. So that covers Keith’s list and I can’t do the only thing I really want, active bi-amping, with or without an expansion module. Like I said above, I’d like to see a firmware upgrade to the base unit giving ‘Flexible Channel Assignment’ and ‘Switchable LP & HP Filters’. Thinking more about it, bi-amping wouldn’t require totally flexible channel assignment (though that seems ideal); if there were additional options on the four ‘Height’ outputs to assign them to ‘Mirror L / R’, that, coupled with LP/HP filters and existing triggers, would allow bi-amping. But a ‘Bi-Amp Module’ might be an easier way for Emotiva to do this, and allow them to make some money on the module, as long as they could squeeze four XLR connectors on one module. I also can’t close without a shout out for the current RMC-1 owners, their problems must be resolved if any of this is going to work. What are your thoughts on the modules proposed? Is there a module you’d like that hasn’t been mentioned and that you’d buy? Of course there’s the 7.1 analog request, and a Zone 3 output module’s been mentioned. What say you? I’ve thought about making a poll for Expansion Modules, which would also fragment module discussion (good and bad), what’s the opinion on that? |
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Post by jonas79 on Jun 17, 2019 17:37:27 GMT -5
The biggest sell processor are in 1000-1500 USD Price point thats why Marantz AV 7000 series sold Good in Sweden.
Emotiva dont offer anything there Today with similar channels and Audio formats.
I have tryed to get into that market.
Xmc-2 Will Go up against Marantz AV8005.
Feels alot have 40% off or 25% cupons here or Xmc-1 with that nice trade in program.
RMC-1 are really highed price at retail included Swedish vat 7386 USD.
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Post by tagmanz on Jun 17, 2019 19:12:09 GMT -5
My vote is for the RMC-1L. Similar to others here the XMC-2 would probably do all I need it to but I simply prefer the looks of the RMC-1L. Actually I prefer the RMC-1 best as it has a more balanced appearance. The Emotiva logo and power button on the RMC1-L look too cramped IMHO. There is also the promise of slightly better sound quality with the RMC-1 over the XMC-2 although as already mentioned whether you will ever here this in the surround channels is debatable.
One final reason and I'm not sure this will ever be a problem but if Emotiva decide to further differentiate the models by supporting different codecs (DTS-X Pro for example) I would imagine the RMC-1L would receive the same feature set as the the RMC-1.
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Post by tagmanz on Jun 17, 2019 19:24:05 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on the modules proposed? Is there a module you’d like that hasn’t been mentioned and that you’d buy? Of course there’s the 7.1 analog request, and a Zone 3 output module’s been mentioned. What say you? I would like to see a HDBaseT module. Especially one that could send 4K video as it would be brilliant for sending longer distances over Cat 6 cable to a projector. |
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Post by cwt on Jun 18, 2019 4:58:15 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on the modules proposed? Is there a module you’d like that hasn’t been mentioned and that you’d buy? Of course there’s the 7.1 analog request, and a Zone 3 output module’s been mentioned. What say you? I would like to see a HDBaseT module. Especially one that could send 4K video as it would be brilliant for sending longer distances over Cat 6 cable to a projector. Yes ; considering the price of hybrid cables like ruipro ; brought this up elsewhere and Keith said  If dirac unison ever arrives ? the dsp circuitry likely included in the module may help the subs low pass filters integrate with the other bed channels. Or alternately crossovers for biamping ? Agree its all about upselling as you say . The most we can expect with the base model is diracs new bass management module to simplify incorporating multiple subs with a common output [rather than a separate minidsp]I imagine . That should satisfy a few xmc1 preferences to be more like audyssey? Also wouldn't say no to an AES'EBU input to be fed from an Emo stand alone UHD movie server loaded with 4k MKV files . But that's a tad ambitious  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 18, 2019 11:29:03 GMT -5
... Also wouldn't say no to an AES'EBU input to be fed from an Emo stand alone UHD movie server loaded with 4k MKV files . But that's a tad ambitious There is one AES/EBU input on all of the processors, or do you need a second? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 18, 2019 12:31:12 GMT -5
the XMC-2 will do everything I need and I most likely would never hear the diff with surround sound between the the XMC-2 and the RMC-1L. yet, I like the connectors on the RMC-1L and the front face better. for that reason I will be getting (when available) the RMC-1L. pretty lame reason , isn't it...... tchaik................. I think this point on connectors is important and may be lost on those who don’t look carefully at the pictures. The ‘Tiffany Style’ RCA connectors on the XMC-1 were a significant and welcome upgrade, their solid feel, good gripping characteristics, and greater long term reliability, helped give the XMC-1 a premium look and feel. The RMC-1 and 1L continue to use the Tiffany connectors, as one would expect in a top of the line product. The XMC-2 however has gone back to what looks like a surface mount connector, which given the pressure to keep costs down, seems like a reasonable compromise. I personally don’t feel these connectors will change the sound of the product, but do think buyers should consider them as one of the differentiations between the product lines. |
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Post by cwt on Jun 18, 2019 12:44:48 GMT -5
... Also wouldn't say no to an AES'EBU input to be fed from an Emo stand alone UHD movie server loaded with 4k MKV files . But that's a tad ambitious There is one AES/EBU input on all of the processors, or do you need a second? Usually those are capable of 2ch's of lpcm digital or maybe 5.1 lossy dolby digital Bruce . I would imagine it isn't capable of handling streamed dci-p3 colour gamut level video [in a bt2020 container ie UHD BD] + audio from a dedicated server ie " DCI-compliant digital AES/EBU input for integration with digital cinema servers." This quote is something Lyngdorf's MP50 can accept but maybe oriented more to a Kaleidescape type system and in any case cant see Emo emulating something complicated at this point in time Hdmi will have to do |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 18, 2019 17:37:47 GMT -5
There is one AES/EBU input on all of the processors, or do you need a second? Usually those are capable of 2ch's of lpcm digital or maybe 5.1 lossy dolby digital Bruce . I would imagine it isn't capable of handling streamed dci-p3 colour gamut level video [in a bt2020 container ie UHD BD] + audio from a dedicated server ie " DCI-compliant digital AES/EBU input for integration with digital cinema servers." This quote is something Lyngdorf's MP50 can accept but maybe oriented more to a Kaleidescape type system and in any case cant see Emo emulating something complicated at this point in time Hdmi will have to do Ok, so you’re saying there are different levels of AES/EBU, and that they could add a “DCI-Compliant” version? Maybe that is what they’re considering with the ‘Digital Input Module”. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 18, 2019 20:31:09 GMT -5
Further (wordy) thoughts on eventually buying an RMC-1 (after first trying the XMC-2). So, why not an RMC-2? Well, like davidl81 I do like the size and looks, though still smaller it would look nice on the shelf above my XPA-7 G2. Of course the expansion slots are the real allure, but will they make anything I’ll actually use to put in them? Here’s what KeithL says they’re “seriously considering”. * Phono Preamp Module — I used to want it built in and thought this would be great, but with my Credenza the turntable sits on a separate shelf. The XPS-1 gives me more flexibility and allows for a potentially greater distance between the turntable and RMC-1 (albeit more cables and a power connection). An external phono preamp may also perform better being isolated from the hostile processor environment, and of course you have many choices. So, even though I think a phono module is a good idea, it might not work for me. * Balanced Input Module — I do and will continue to use one pair of balanced ins, but a second pair would be spare at the moment. I can think of a way to hook something to them, but they’d probably sit idle. Still it seems like a good and easy option for the RMC-1 — though if they’ll fit why not two pairs of XLR’s, or one pair XLR and one pair RCA? * Four Channel Expansion Module — Will it be SQ, QS, or CD-4? (sorry, Quadraphonic humor for the old timers). If the sole purpose of this module is to take the channel count from 16 to 20 to 24 to 28, then I think it’s unlikely I’ll get there. But in the RMC-1 threads there were some chomping at the bit to max out the channel count, another valid option, and opportunity for channel count bragging rights. * Streaming Module — Hmmm, I don’t stream much, but maybe, we’ll see. Seems to be one of the most requested options around here, and if they can parlay the module engineering and also produce a standalone box with the right features for non RMC-1 users, it could be a winner. * Additional Subwoofer Module — I don’t see myself getting more than two subs, but do intend to get two new ones soon. If there’s some compelling reason, possibly with the tiered Dirac model, it’s more likely than an additional 4 channel module, but I’d prefer not to need it. Again, subwoofers get a lot of ink around here so this could be popular. * Digital Inputs Module — Really? There are already nine digital inputs, plus another eight HDMI. What, is there a digital Bonzo lurking here? I can’t imagine needing this, but then I guess that’s what expansion slots are for ... things you can’t imagine. * Video Module — This sounds interesting, I don’t know what it means, and the existing video does ‘most’ of what I need — just needing to do it more reliably with all sources (Mac mini?). Maybe built in HDBaseT, or something ‘specialized’ for projector users, or HDMI 2.1? Probably not for me. So that covers Keith’s list and I can’t do the only thing I really want, active bi-amping, with or without an expansion module. Like I said above, I’d like to see a firmware upgrade to the base unit giving ‘Flexible Channel Assignment’ and ‘Switchable LP & HP Filters’. Thinking more about it, bi-amping wouldn’t require totally flexible channel assignment (though that seems ideal); if there were additional options on the four ‘Height’ outputs to assign them to ‘Mirror L / R’, that, coupled with LP/HP filters and existing triggers, would allow bi-amping. But a ‘Bi-Amp Module’ might be an easier way for Emotiva to do this, and allow them to make some money on the module, as long as they could squeeze four XLR connectors on one module. I also can’t close without a shout out for the current RMC-1 owners, their problems must be resolved if any of this is going to work. What are your thoughts on the modules proposed? Is there a module you’d like that hasn’t been mentioned and that you’d buy? Of course there’s the 7.1 analog request, and a Zone 3 output module’s been mentioned. What say you? I’ve thought about making a poll for Expansion Modules, which would also fragment module discussion (good and bad), what’s the opinion on that? +1 on all of it. Phono preamp would be better served as a separate exterior piece, as it is now, but much nicer if they had more analog input "spares" so this wouldn't use one up right away. Extra balanced input module is a niche, more a niche than 7.1 analog. Channel and sub expansion modules...I see them being the most popular of all modules. Its a niche, but THIS is the niche where they can steal away from the big expensive boys. Digital input module? I'm with you. 17 digital inputs isn't enough but 4 analog in is? Really? Completely laughable. My analog input (and OUTPUT) module is FAR more desirable. I have no idea about the video module. Here's what I can say about this poll and thread. Here's what everyone wants. A version of any of these processors (take your pick) that actually WORKS, flawlessly, without compromise. That's the way it should be. If Emotiva could do that they would make tons of people happy, become legendary in the industry, make big bucks for themselves, and stop almost all the bickering and relentless thread posts here. But so far, no dice. Unfortunate. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 18, 2019 23:01:01 GMT -5
Here's what I can say about this poll and thread. Here's what everyone wants. A version of any of these processors (take your pick) that actually WORKS, flawlessly, without compromise. That's the way it should be. If Emotiva could do that they would make tons of people happy, become legendary in the industry, make big bucks for themselves, and stop almost all the bickering and relentless thread posts here. But so far, no dice. Unfortunate. "HDMI" and "flawless", 2 words that should never appear in the same sentence. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Jesse007 on Jun 18, 2019 23:41:17 GMT -5
Is there somewhere here where I can take a good look at the front and back of the RMC-1L? I’d like to visually compare it to my XMC-1 and the XMC-2.
Thanks.
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Post by cwt on Jun 19, 2019 1:56:13 GMT -5
/quote]Ok, so you’re saying there are different levels of AES/EBU, and that they could add a “DCI-Compliant” version? Maybe that is what they’re considering with the ‘Digital Input Module”. Anything is possible but if the "digital input module" only has a few more sp dif inputs it wont be too popular -Bonzo is correct ;)Maybe something akin to this converter but built in and video capable ? www.arvus.io/aes-2h.htmlSort of thing a datasat 20i might have as its based on a pro cinema dolby digital platform [ though its a bit dated now] . Ive only seen AES/EBU ports on pre pro's used for things like standalone dacs and sacd players so not familiar with higher bandwidth signals but looking at this professional cinema server it has a block of AES/EBU ports "8 × AES audio pairs (2 × RJ-45)" to divide up the bandwidth hence handling up to 24/96khz . Shudder to think what one would cost though  www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/cinema/products/Dolby-IMS2000-Product-Sheet.pdf |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jun 19, 2019 9:29:47 GMT -5
Is there somewhere here where I can take a good look at the front and back of the RMC-1L? I’d like to visually compare it to my XMC-1 and the XMC-2. Thanks. The RMC-1L is the same as the RMC-1 without the expansion module ports. Below I copied my post from another thread on the RMC-1L. Thought we should have pictures of the RMC-1L in this thread. These are pictures from Hair Nick's CEDIA 2018 thread on Sept 6, 2018.   |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 19, 2019 10:18:00 GMT -5
Here's what I can say about this poll and thread. Here's what everyone wants. A version of any of these processors (take your pick) that actually WORKS, flawlessly, without compromise. That's the way it should be. If Emotiva could do that they would make tons of people happy, become legendary in the industry, make big bucks for themselves, and stop almost all the bickering and relentless thread posts here. But so far, no dice. Unfortunate. "HDMI" and "flawless", 2 words that should never appear in the same sentence. Cheers Gary Well how about 99.5% or 99%? Being asked to "just accept" a number like 95% is ridiculous IMO. I don't accept it with other things, so why here? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 19, 2019 11:47:35 GMT -5
LCSeminole beat me to the punch on the RMC-1L, but I’ve been trying to put together the best pictures of each model that we have here in one place. His 1L shot above is probably the best actual picture we have, but I have creatively given us the best approximation of what it should look like by stitching an RMC-1 photo (you’ll recognize it by the precision labeling ) These are best front and rear photos I have for the RMC-1, RMC-1L, XMC-2, XMC-1. If someone at Emotiva will supply official 1L photos, I’ll update ( Hair Nick ?). Edit: For reference and to help those still taking the poll, I moved the photos to the first post in this thread. I’ve also added prices and RU heights for each unit.Link to first post with photos, prices, heights
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 19, 2019 15:43:40 GMT -5
Isn’t the RMC-1L in the XMC-1/2 sized case?
The XMC-2 will look good with my Gen1 silver trims, as long as I remember to take them off the XMC-1 before I hand it back. Plus with knob on the right it will match the XSP-1 that sits in the rack below it.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 19, 2019 17:31:30 GMT -5
Isn’t the RMC-1L in the XMC-1/2 sized case? ... Yes, the RMC-1 is 4 RU, the others are 3 RU. If you look at the rear of the stitched RMC-1L it looks about the same height as the rear of the XMC-2. The front however, wasn’t as easy to stitch down, so it looks bigger that it actually should. Edit: I took another look at LCSeminole’s photo and restitched the RMC-1L Front, I think I got it closer. |
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(sorry, Quadraphonic humor for the old timers). If the sole purpose of this module is to take the channel count from 16 to 20 to 24 to 28, then I think it’s unlikely I’ll get there. But in the RMC-1 threads there were some chomping at the bit to max out the channel count, another valid option, and opportunity for channel count bragging rights. 
