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Post by DYohn on Aug 8, 2019 18:19:26 GMT -5
tropicallutefisk - as DYohn explained Roon ROCK takes over the computer, in most cases an Intel NUC. Aside from a lightweight web control panel, the server is controlled via Roon remote. I know it's silly but I noticed a marked sound improvement but also interesting was performance - scanning new content and overall responsiveness is like lightning. It's not silly at all. My system SQ went up significantly with no changes other then switching to ROON. |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 8, 2019 19:20:39 GMT -5
tropicallutefisk - as DYohn explained Roon ROCK takes over the computer, in most cases an Intel NUC. Aside from a lightweight web control panel, the server is controlled via Roon remote. I know it's silly but I noticed a marked sound improvement but also interesting was performance - scanning new content and overall responsiveness is like lightning.  Yes sound quality went up, you placed a built for music computer between your DAC and computer. If Your running through ethernet the SQ would improve again. |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 8, 2019 20:24:43 GMT -5
Yes sound quality went up, you placed a built for music computer between your DAC and computer. If Your running through ethernet the SQ would improve again. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but...the NUC doesn't place a built-for-music computer between the DAC and your computer. It replaces the computer with a different computer. The Roon Core goes on the NUC and pulls music from wherever you have it (on a HD directly connected, on a NAS, from sources like TIDAL and the like). Then, it can output that music in various ways (USB or via internet) to other devices (like your SoTM or my ultraRendu) and then on to a DAC. Net, not an additional computer in the chain...just an option for which computer is in the chain. I may be wrong and am open to being corrected... Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 8, 2019 21:15:22 GMT -5
Yes sound quality went up, you placed a built for music computer between your DAC and computer. If Your running through ethernet the SQ would improve again. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but...the NUC doesn't place a built-for-music computer between the DAC and your computer. It replaces the computer with a different computer. The Roon Core goes on the NUC and pulls music from wherever you have it (on a HD directly connected, on a NAS, from sources like TIDAL and the like). Then, it can output that music in various ways (USB or via internet) to other devices (like your SoTM or my ultraRendu) and then on to a DAC. Net, not an additional computer in the chain...just an option for which computer is in the chain. I may be wrong and am open to being corrected... Mark Ah yes, it can be used both ways but you’re right, there is no sense in using another computer as a server when the NUC can be both. If building a NUC one will need another computer but once finished you’re good to go! Recommendation is to go to a DAC first even though it can do analog out. Thanks so much @klinmj |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Aug 9, 2019 5:42:03 GMT -5
So the NUC is doing the same thing as the Roon Nucleus?
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Post by klinemj on Aug 9, 2019 6:36:41 GMT -5
So the NUC is doing the same thing as the Roon Nucleus? Yes. Mark |
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Post by DYohn on Aug 9, 2019 8:37:09 GMT -5
Yes, the function is the same (although the software is different.) The biggest difference between building a NUC or buying a Nucleus is the "build" VS "buy" aspect. Plus some reviewers say that if you are connecting a DAC directly to them and not using a network player, then Nucleus is hard to beat in terms of being very quiet and having an excellent quality USB output since it is purpose-built for audio. YMMV.
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Post by LuisV on Aug 9, 2019 9:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Aug 9, 2019 9:22:14 GMT -5
I think I know where the confusion lies.
Roon is modular... And Roon is SOFTWARE... (more accurately: it's a set of software modules which work in conjunction with a subscription service)
(Although there are several products that consist of a custom computer with the Roon software pre-installed on them.)
So, for example, you can run Roon on a single computer... (it would be the Roon Core, and the Roon client, and the DAC would be connected directly to it).
Or you can run different Roon modules on different/multiple computers... (for example, a separate Roon Core, and Roon clients).
And how much effect this will have on things depends on the relative processing capabilities of each. (Note that those terms refer to the specific Roon software installed on the computer - or on "it's place in the Roon ecosystem".)
A really powerful computer can run the whole set pretty well...
But the Roon ecosystem is optimized.... - the Roon Core, which handles the main database, benefits from a machine with lots of memory and processing power... - Roon Clients are "lighter" so they can be run on smaller less powerful devices
An NUC is simply the Intel version of "a small, low cost, general purpose hobbyist computer" ... It's just a small computer with an Intel processor in it ...
Think of it as Intel's version of the Raspberry Pi... (but significantly more powerful -and more expensive)...
Or a really tiny low cost PC ...
(And some people use the term to apply to any small, low cost, Intel-based, computer.)
So, in this case, what you're really saying is that: "The Roon Core software is running on an Intel NUC computer". The "Roon Nucleus" is a specific product that consists of the Roon software installed on a custom NUC computer.
So the NUC is doing the same thing as the Roon Nucleus? |
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Post by brubacca on Aug 13, 2019 9:53:12 GMT -5
I'm a total skeptic and love roon. I see a lifetime license in the near future.
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Post by klinemj on Aug 13, 2019 12:54:13 GMT -5
I'm a total skeptic and love roon. I see a lifetime license in the near future. That was me in the not-too-distant past! Still loving it now that I have the lifetime license. Mark |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 15:31:57 GMT -5
I agree with DYohn about Vortexbox, but I changed to Volumio (Fedora also) because it has a better/easier GUI.
Vortexbox is Squeeze centric, kinda ugly.
The server is a Dell 1.6GHz, dual core, 2 GB ram. Linux just hums along, no problemo.
I plan to add a VPN to HTPC Zotac ZBOX AD04 Plus mini-PC powered by the AMD E-450 (1.65Ghz dual) APU platform running Linux Mint Mate, we'll see if that pc can do both without being taxed. Linux is more ram based, not CPU based. Windows is more CPU dependant. My first music server was Pentium II 488 Mhz, 512 mb ram running Ubuntu server ver 8.02, it worked.
I am an audio enthusiast first, video will play second fiddle in our house.
I've had the Anthem a couple months and have thoroughly enjoyed it. It's the first 'anything' that I've owned that clears up the center channel dialogue. UMC-200, Integra Audyssey MultEQ XT32 & Denon never did to my satisfaction. I've been shopping for an Oppo, but I'm not paying retail or over retail for used equipment, so settled for plan B, the Sony UBP-X800.
I've been streaming FLAC through Integra (mostly to zone 2- Partio) from server and the sound is really good, I thought. I picked up the Sony last week and we started playing CDs & DVD-As again- OMG, what a difference playing from the Sony. Don't know if Sony can enhance the Flac stream.
I have not streamed to Sony then to Anthem yet (don't use zone 2 with Anthem). I'm about to find out what that sounds like this weekend.
Edit-After owning the XPA-5 gen 2 for years, I never thought it was much better in stereo than old Denon AVR-5700 or Integra DTR 50.4 stand-alone or using Integra as a pre/pro. Since connecting the AMV60, the XPA has really shown it's stuff. I definity need a new pair of 3-ways.
I've revisited Roon since this post, the lifetime membership looks much more appealing, now that my equipment has been upgraded.
Does anyone have any experience with dts Play-Fi?
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