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Post by klinemj on Aug 17, 2019 11:21:36 GMT -5
Good news! Looking forward to the early reviews. Mark the XMC-2/RMC-1/RMC1L all share the same firmware, I’m expecting any growing pains to be very minimal now that firmware versions v1.4 and now v1.5 have ironed out most bugs. So DIRAC should be the last feature these processor platforms are waiting on. Exactly...should be a sweet unit! Mark |
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 17, 2019 11:31:20 GMT -5
IF the XMC-2/RMC-1/RMC1L all share the same firmware, I’m expecting any growing pains to be very minimal now that firmware versions v1.4 and now v1.5 have ironed out most bugs. So DIRAC should be the last feature these processor platforms are waiting on. Exactly...should be a sweet unit! Mark I think so as well, and at one time I would've gone the XMC-2 route, but I've wanted a top-line processor(being the RMC-1) since I bought the XPR's, so my want will now be satisfied as of this Tuesday. My guess is the XMC-2 will be Emotiva's sweet spot in the processor category and they'll sell a boat load of them.  |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 17, 2019 11:44:19 GMT -5
Exactly...should be a sweet unit! Mark I think so as well, and at one time I would've gone the XMC-2 route, but I've wanted a top-line processor(being the RMC-1) since I bought the XPR's, so my want will now be satisfied as of this Tuesday. My guess is the XMC-2 will be Emotiva's sweet spot in the processor category and they'll sell a boat load of them. I can understand wanting the top of the line. I was thinking that direction myself for a long time, but the reality is that it's very unlikely I'll ever go beyond 16 channels and I have my streaming solution already. So, I don't need the add-on modules. So, that leaves it between the RMC-1L and XMC-1 and I just don't see a big enough difference between them for my needs. Net, I'll likely be going for the sweet spot XMC-2...but likely not until next spring. Mark |
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Post by sahmen on Aug 17, 2019 12:47:01 GMT -5
I think so as well, and at one time I would've gone the XMC-2 route, but I've wanted a top-line processor(being the RMC-1) since I bought the XPR's, so my want will now be satisfied as of this Tuesday. My guess is the XMC-2 will be Emotiva's sweet spot in the processor category and they'll sell a boat load of them. I can understand wanting the top of the line. I was thinking that direction myself for a long time, but the reality is that it's very unlikely I'll ever go beyond 16 channels and I have my streaming solution already. So, I don't need the add-on modules. So, that leaves it between the RMC-1L and XMC-1 and I just don't see a big enough difference between them for my needs. Net, I'll likely be going for the sweet spot XMC-2...but likely not until next spring. Mark +1 for the The XMC-2 as the sweet spot ! For me, it will be the ultimate spot, and any kind of "spot" I'll ever need in this current round of 4k/Atmos based pre-pros! This occasion calls for a hi-five to Emotiva...  ...and a toast to all the RMC-1 early adopters who have had to put up with months of beta-testing... and guinea-pigging blues to get all of us closer to the ideal of the fully functioning, and, hopefully, the bug-free product that most of us have been dreaming of owning ultimately  All of that leaves me looking forward to the day on which I can get my XMC-1 all traded up, and ready for the age of 4k/Atmos pre-pros, however belatedly. Come on Emotiva, I am learning how to do a dancing bear's backflip just to celebrate that special occasion  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 17, 2019 15:03:08 GMT -5
I am just praying that it just works. I have a Sony 4K Blu-ray player, Apple TV 4K and that’s it. I use Netflix from my LG OLED. Noooooooooooo.........ARC & CEC ...................... You’ll need a lot of praying. Netflix on the Apple TV4K works perfectly, not so ARC and and it’s partner in hell CEC. Cheers Gary |
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Post by tchaik on Aug 17, 2019 15:51:36 GMT -5
Exactly...should be a sweet unit! Mark I think so as well, and at one time I would've gone the XMC-2 route, but I've wanted a top-line processor(being the RMC-1) since I bought the XPR's, so my want will now be satisfied as of this Tuesday. My guess is the XMC-2 will be Emotiva's sweet spot in the processor category and they'll sell a boat load of them. a couple years ago at an emofest while the RMC-1 was still in development, Big Dan told me that he figured for every 1 RMC-1 he sold, he would probably sell 10 XMC-2's. tchaik................. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 17, 2019 15:59:45 GMT -5
I think so as well, and at one time I would've gone the XMC-2 route, but I've wanted a top-line processor(being the RMC-1) since I bought the XPR's, so my want will now be satisfied as of this Tuesday. My guess is the XMC-2 will be Emotiva's sweet spot in the processor category and they'll sell a boat load of them. a couple years ago at an emofest while the RMC-1 was still in development, Big Dan told me that he figured for every 1 RMC-1 he sold, he would probably sell 10 XMC-2's. tchaik................. Then if we knew how many RMC-1’s have sold, we’d have a good idea how many XMC-2s are about to go out the door. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 16:24:52 GMT -5
Ooo I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on this.
I wish I knew the difference between this and the RMC-1L.
Sound wise that is.
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Post by tchaik on Aug 17, 2019 18:13:55 GMT -5
Ooo I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on this. I wish I knew the difference between this and the RMC-1L. Sound wise that is. I am planning on getting the RMC-1L for a couple non-sonic reasons. the front panel has two oled screens like the RMC-1. whereas the XMC-2 has only 1. the RMC-1L has the better quality tiffany RCA's on the back panel vs the XMC-2. the RMC-1L has the same dacs, configuration and fully differential analog outputs as does the RMC-1. on the other hand...... a sonic reason from the description..... "The XMC-2 uses the same audiophile quality AKM AK4490 32-Bit DACs as our flagship RMC-1, and provides the same sixteen channels of fully balanced audio output. The AK4490, which is already a superb fully differential stereo DACs, also offers a super-high-quality mode called mono mode. On the RMC-1, each of the sixteen output channels uses the DAC chip in this special mode, for the absolute ultimate in sound quality; on the XMC-2, the front three channels and main LFE outputs are operated in this mode".having said all that, I do not believe I would hear a damn bit of difference in my surrounds between the XMC-2 and the RMC-1L. since I can afford it, I like having the prettier parts. and no, the RMC-1 is not an option because of space limitations. personally, I like the less tall profile of the XMC-2 and the RMC-1L better. tchaik.................. |
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Post by Lsc on Aug 17, 2019 21:17:47 GMT -5
Ooo I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on this. I wish I knew the difference between this and the RMC-1L. Sound wise that is. Sound wise I was told that the XMC2 has 4 channels fully balanced while the RMC1L has all channels fully balanced. That translates for movies, the RMC1L may have a sonic advantage especially if the owner has fully balanced amps. For music, the sound quality should be identical. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 17, 2019 22:10:49 GMT -5
Ooo I'm so tempted to pull the trigger on this. I wish I knew the difference between this and the RMC-1L. Sound wise that is. Sound wise I was told that the XMC2 has 4 channels fully balanced while the RMC1L has all channels fully balanced. That translates for movies, the RMC1L may have a sonic advantage especially if the owner has fully balanced amps. For music, the sound quality should be identical. Actually all models are fully balanced on all channels, it’s the dual mono mode of the DACs that’s increased on the RMC’s. We discussed this in the comparison thread, fully balanced amps should bring the same advantage to all of the processors. |
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Post by Lsc on Aug 18, 2019 4:09:29 GMT -5
Sound wise I was told that the XMC2 has 4 channels fully balanced while the RMC1L has all channels fully balanced. That translates for movies, the RMC1L may have a sonic advantage especially if the owner has fully balanced amps. For music, the sound quality should be identical. Actually all models are fully balanced on all channels, it’s the dual mono mode of the DACs that’s increased on the RMC’s. We discussed this in the comparison thread, fully balanced amps should bring the same advantage to all of the processors. My understanding is that RMC1 and RMC1L runs each AKM DAC in fully balanced mode (mono mode). This means 1 DAC for each channel = 16 DACs. The XMC2 runs the front three channels and sub in fully balanced mode. All other channels 1 DAC services two channels(stereo mode) So the XMC2 should have 10 DACs. I hope this makes sense as this was described to me as the main difference between the XMC2 and the RMC1/RMC1L - how many channels are fully balanced. How much difference that means in sound quality, I’m not sure but for me personally, after my front 3 speakers, there is a drop off with my other speakers in terms of performance which is why I was totally fine with XMC2. If I had Revel Performa3 speakers all around and amps with fully balanced channels all around, then I probably would have looked into the RMC1L more. I have a buddy who has this setup so hopefully he will use his 40% card and get the RMC1L. These are the 2 use cases that I believe makes the most sense in determining which processor to get. There are other factors too like I like the way the RMC1 looks, I need that middle multi function knob, I can easily afford it and I want the best Emotiva unit, or I plan on getting the fully balanced setup so I’ll start with the RMC1 etc etc. 😊 Let me know if I’m mistaken though. Am I way off here? |
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Post by topmetom on Aug 18, 2019 4:17:36 GMT -5
Hi, just registering interest for this unit. Im in the UK so will have to wait a bit loger than you guys. I have a nad 758 with full licence dirac, im not overly happy with but thats another story. I assume ill be able to just take my dirac account over to the xmc2 if i buy one?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 18, 2019 7:24:07 GMT -5
Actually all models are fully balanced on all channels, it’s the dual mono mode of the DACs that’s increased on the RMC’s. We discussed this in the comparison thread, fully balanced amps should bring the same advantage to all of the processors. My understanding is that RMC1 and RMC1L runs each AKM DAC in fully balanced mode (mono mode). This means 1 DAC for each channel = 16 DACs. The XMC2 runs the front three channels and sub in fully balanced mode. All other channels 1 DAC services two channels(stereo mode) So the XMC2 should have 10 DACs. I hope this makes sense as this was described to me as the main difference between the XMC2 and the RMC1/RMC1L - how many channels are fully balanced. How much difference that means in sound quality, I’m not sure but for me personally, after my front 3 speakers, there is a drop off with my other speakers in terms of performance which is why I was totally fine with XMC2. If I had Revel Performa3 speakers all around and amps with fully balanced channels all around, then I probably would have looked into the RMC1L more. I have a buddy who has this setup so hopefully he will use his 40% card and get the RMC1L. These are the 2 use cases that I believe makes the most sense in determining which processor to get. There are other factors too like I like the way the RMC1 looks, I need that middle multi function knob, I can easily afford it and I want the best Emotiva unit, or I plan on getting the fully balanced setup so I’ll start with the RMC1 etc etc. 😊 Let me know if I’m mistaken though. Am I way off here? I think the difference in DACs and ‘fully balanced’ channels are described pretty well in the language tchaik quoted above your post. The key is to focus on the ‘dual mono’ part of the configuration, and the ‘all channels are fully balanced’. I think you’re making the right decision as the XMC-2 is at the sonic sweet spot. The differences in the RMC models are more esoteric, with the exception of the 1’s expansion bays. Heres a post in the comparison/poll thread where Keith also some sit up pretty simply emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/999247/thread |
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 18, 2019 9:39:50 GMT -5
Hi, just registering interest for this unit. Im in the UK so will have to wait a bit loger than you guys. I have a nad 758 with full licence dirac, im not overly happy with but thats another story. I assume ill be able to just take my dirac account over to the xmc2 if i buy one? With the Emotiva XMC-1, if I'm remembering correctly, the licensing agreement for DIRAC is tied to the actual product. I highly doubt this has changed, and I'd be highly surprised if NAD's licensing agreement with DIRAC Labs is any different. In other words, I doubt you can use your NAD's DIRAC licensing with any other manufacturers DIRAC capable products. Personally I'd contact DIRAC Labs for a definitive answer. |
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Post by visiter555 on Aug 18, 2019 9:55:23 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the XMC-2 manual and the RMC-1 manual?
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 18, 2019 11:06:28 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the XMC-2 manual and the RMC-1 manual? Have you tried the product pages at the Emotiva website, they’re under the Specs & Downloads tab. |
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Post by topmetom on Aug 18, 2019 12:58:37 GMT -5
Hi, just registering interest for this unit. Im in the UK so will have to wait a bit loger than you guys. I have a nad 758 with full licence dirac, im not overly happy with but thats another story. I assume ill be able to just take my dirac account over to the xmc2 if i buy one? With the Emotiva XMC-1, if I'm remembering correctly, the licensing agreement for DIRAC is tied to the actual product. I highly doubt this has changed, and I'd be highly surprised if NAD's licensing agreement with DIRAC Labs is any different. In other words, I doubt you can use your NAD's DIRAC licensing with any other manufacturers DIRAC capable products. Personally I'd contact DIRAC Labs for a definitive answer. Bit different to other units then? I was told as long as i used my dirac account and logged n it would pick up i paid $99 for the upgrade? |
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 18, 2019 13:12:11 GMT -5
With the Emotiva XMC-1, if I'm remembering correctly, the licensing agreement for DIRAC is tied to the actual product. I highly doubt this has changed, and I'd be highly surprised if NAD's licensing agreement with DIRAC Labs is any different. In other words, I doubt you can use your NAD's DIRAC licensing with any other manufacturers DIRAC capable products. Personally I'd contact DIRAC Labs for a definitive answer. Bit different to other units then? I was told as long as i used my dirac account and logged n it would pick up i paid $99 for the upgrade? If you were told by Dirac and/or Emotiva, then you’ve answered your own question. Nothing has definitively been stated by Emotiva or Dirac here on the Lounge so I’d be definitively asking those in the know if you haven’t already. |
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Post by Lsc on Aug 18, 2019 17:54:17 GMT -5
I think the difference in DACs and ‘fully balanced’ channels are described pretty well in the language tchaik quoted above your post. The key is to focus on the ‘dual mono’ part of the configuration, and the ‘all channels are fully balanced’. I think you’re making the right decision as the XMC-2 is at the sonic sweet spot. The differences in the RMC models are more esoteric, with the exception of the 1’s expansion bays. Heres a post in the comparison/poll thread where Keith also some sit up pretty simply emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/999247/threadThanks. I am just trying to make sure that any potential/future buyer of the XMC2 Or RMC1/L has the right information. Emotiva may need to clarify the product description for the XMC2. It’s confusing to say all channels are fully balanced under the description, then in the feature list state... XMC2- “Audiophile grade AKM4490 Verita DACs (operating in fully balanced Mono mode for the three front main channels)” RMC1’s feature list states... RMC1- “Audiophile grade AKM4490 Verita DACs, operating in fully balanced Mono mode, on all 16 Main Zone outputs. (Independent AKM4490 DAC for Zone 2.)” So the XMC2 is fully balanced but not all channels are in this mono mode? Clear as mud for me 😂 |
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