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Post by DYohn on Nov 23, 2019 14:13:41 GMT -5
I never understood why Roon needed so much resources. I can understand if it was streaming multiple streams to multiple devices. But streaming to a single device should take barely any strain on a CPU imo. Because it is doing a lot more than simply "streaming to a single source." It does more than just create a mechanism for access to files. Plus I often have mine streaming three different things to three players at the same time, seamlessly. Why so negative?
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Post by klinemj on Nov 23, 2019 14:45:00 GMT -5
Back up and running and listening to Mumford & Sons Delta
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Post by novisnick on Nov 23, 2019 14:58:28 GMT -5
It was an explanation but a poor one. It amounted to - we'd much rather make more money charging yearly subscription now that we've established revenue and market share. Nothing grows and evolves on one time money. Your car wont get better after you purchase it unless mandated by the Federal Government. So, like your car if you don’t by a new one or At least lease, it won’t get any upgrades. Their explanation was an articulate one and honest to a fault almost. Love that they were up front about the future sustainability of Roon. Continued funding is always required to grow and provide their product. I contemplated a lifetime membership for a long time before finally deciding that this may happen. ( Price increase, it had to ) I’m into month #2 of my membership, that was close! 😁 I wish them continued success as it means continued enjoyment for many of us.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 23, 2019 16:02:05 GMT -5
Back up and running and listening to Mumford & Sons Delta Mark Charlie Daniels for me. 😋
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Post by SteveH on Nov 23, 2019 16:23:05 GMT -5
It was an explanation but a poor one. It amounted to - we'd much rather make more money charging yearly subscription now that we've established revenue and market share. Nothing grows and evolves on one time money. Your car wont get better after you purchase it unless mandated by the Federal Government. So, like your car if you don’t by a new one or At least lease, it won’t get any upgrades. Their explanation was an articulate one and honest to a fault almost. Love that they were up front about the future sustainability of Roon. Continued funding is always required to grow and provide their product. I contemplated a lifetime membership for a long time before finally deciding that this may happen. ( Price increase, it had to ) I’m into month #2 of my membership, that was close! 😁 I wish them continued success as it means continued enjoyment for many of us. I am three months into my Roon subscription. The Roon lifetime is a great deal and works very well, especially when it is coupled with Tidal and Qobuz. Between my Pandora and Sirius subscriptions I have already paid out over $3000 with nowhere the versatility I now have with the Roon. $699 is still not a bad price for the functionality you receive.
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Post by DYohn on Nov 23, 2019 16:37:19 GMT -5
Back up and running and listening to Mumford & Sons Delta Mark Charlie Daniels for me. 😋 Jack Daniels for me. Oh wait...
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 23, 2019 16:45:55 GMT -5
1.7 on my old NUC (running R.O.C.K.) definitely performs new album scanning and track analysis faster than previous released.
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Post by klinemj on Nov 23, 2019 16:53:06 GMT -5
Charlie Daniels for me. 😋 Jack Daniels for me. Oh wait... Great idea! I had a martini, but suddenly a Manhattan sounds good...the Luxardo cherries are calling my name. I've been exploring 1.7 more and I like the "New Releases for You" option. It helped me quickly find the new Coldplay and many other newer releases I've been meaning to listen to but forgot to. The "Recommended for You" is also nice. I liked Roon Radio before and still do. I like how it seemlessly chooses something once my choices end and plays it. There's never been a time before when I thought "what the heck it that and why did it choose it?" It often chooses something I might not have and it's good. Glad I got into Roon and got it at the old price! Mark
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Post by klinemj on Nov 23, 2019 17:09:18 GMT -5
Oh - just found more about Roon Radio. Love the "Live Radio" feature. I'd not used that before if it existed in 1.6
I have been looking to set the new custom icons, and I can't find where to do that. Have anyone else found it?
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Post by DYohn on Nov 23, 2019 17:23:25 GMT -5
Oh - just found more about Roon Radio. Love the "Live Radio" feature. I'd not used that before if it existed in 1.6 I have been looking to set the new custom icons, and I can't find where to do that. Have anyone else found it? Mark Go to "My Live Radio" and you can add URLs.
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Post by klinemj on Nov 23, 2019 17:36:12 GMT -5
Oh - just found more about Roon Radio. Love the "Live Radio" feature. I'd not used that before if it existed in 1.6 I have been looking to set the new custom icons, and I can't find where to do that. Have anyone else found it? Mark Go to "My Live Radio" and you can add URLs. Sweet...did a few already. This will be nice when working in my office. I also found where to add the custom zone icons. Got mine all set up nicely now. It wasn't obvious how to get to the place to edit them, but now I know where it is. Mark
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 23, 2019 19:36:30 GMT -5
"we'd rather make money" - Capitalism, and a sign of a strong, growing company, I think.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 23, 2019 20:31:19 GMT -5
I never understood why Roon needed so much resources. I can understand if it was streaming multiple streams to multiple devices. But streaming to a single device should take barely any strain on a CPU imo. Because it is doing a lot more than simply "streaming to a single source." It does more than just create a mechanism for access to files. Plus I often have mine streaming three different things to three players at the same time, seamlessly. Why so negative? I like the interface but I don't understand why it takes so much resources.
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Post by jdmusante on Nov 24, 2019 3:31:09 GMT -5
Because it is doing a lot more than simply "streaming to a single source." It does more than just create a mechanism for access to files. Plus I often have mine streaming three different things to three players at the same time, seamlessly. Why so negative? I like the interface but I don't understand why it takes so much resources. It's a premium product that is only going to be used by hardcore music nerds (people like us). It has to be good to have any chance of succeeding. To do that, you need to employ a lot of people that write, test, implement, QA code. The people they need to employ are not $15 an hour people, and they need a bunch of them. I see this from the company I work for as we have a sprawling tech footprint. It's $10 a month for the yearly rate, or cheap if you ask me. I'd pay twice that for the interface as I think its that good. There is a ton that goes into it and it's a business. They need to make money too.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 24, 2019 8:04:42 GMT -5
1.7 on my old NUC (running R.O.C.K.) definitely performs new album scanning and track analysis faster than previous released. Based on this, and other sources I trust, I went to Micro Center (an awesome store), picked up a NUC, an SSD, some memory, and an external hard drive for my music. The longest part of the "build" was copying the existing data over, but I was watching college football, so I didn't care. Had it up and running before I went to bed. HOLY COW - Roon was right - this Roon OS/Rock is indeed much faster. And now, I can actually turn off my PC when I'm not actually using it.
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 24, 2019 10:03:58 GMT -5
OK, wilburthegoose, you've got me interested. Might I ask a few questions? What did your NUC cost? What CPU runs your NUC? Does Intel make any i9 NUCs? Thanks - Boom
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Post by DYohn on Nov 24, 2019 10:22:52 GMT -5
Because it is doing a lot more than simply "streaming to a single source." It does more than just create a mechanism for access to files. Plus I often have mine streaming three different things to three players at the same time, seamlessly. Why so negative? I like the interface but I don't understand why it takes so much resources. Explain what you mean. When my server is running and streaming content it's using about 5% of CPU resources.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 24, 2019 10:54:18 GMT -5
OK, wilburthegoose , you've got me interested. Might I ask a few questions? What did your NUC cost? What CPU runs your NUC? Does Intel make any i9 NUCs? Thanks - Boom The NUC was about $500 (I picked up the 8th gen i7 - you DO NOT need an i9). Model is NUC8i7BEH. This page will tell you more: kb.roonlabs.com/Roon_Optimized_Core_KitI highly recommend Micro Center, especially if they have a retail store near you. www.microcenter.com/product/511201/intel-nuc-mini-pc-kit-nuc8i7beh-core-i7,-tall-version You need to purchase 8GB memory and a small SSD hard drive. I just cleaned up my work area and put the NUC and an external USB 3.0 hard drive in my utility room in the basement. It's about 1' from my FiOS router, so that was a snap.
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 25, 2019 14:30:06 GMT -5
HOLY COW - Roon was right - this Roon OS/Rock is indeed much faster. And now, I can actually turn off my PC when I'm not actually using it. I had the same reaction when I migrated to a NUC and R.O.C.K. earlier this year. The NUC I'm using is well below the specs recommended by Roon but it works incredibly well. I have only an M.2 SSD in my NUC with 100% of my music on a NAS but I assume ultimate performance is achieved by having music on a second SSD in a NUC. Using Roon on a Windows and Mac OS box just doesn't make much sense in my eyes.
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Post by KeithL on Nov 25, 2019 15:38:50 GMT -5
I would say that the reasons on both sides of the equation are pretty obvious......
For a new company starting out, but who has already earned some loyal followers, selling "lifetime subscriptions" is a great way to earn a lot of money up front. (Collecting $19 a month from 500 customers is not going to keep the lights on.)
However, it is also the proverbial "one shot deal". You are going to be supporting those lifetime subscribers forever - which can be a very long time. And, in all that time, you will never make another dollar off of them. At some point you really are going to have to switch over to some sort of subscription model.
(Imagine trying to run a company with a million happy customers - and $0 in income.) (If you do the math, and compare to other streaming services, you're paying for between five and ten years up-front, and the rest is free.)
Now, for the customer, that lifetime subscription is a lot of money. And, since it's all up-front, if they go out of business next year, you've just flushed it down the you know what... And, of course, let's not ignore the possibility that next year someone may come out with a service you like better.
With a product like Roon, which really is a service, the subscription model really is better all around.
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