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Post by adaboy on Dec 1, 2019 15:25:19 GMT -5
To bring back a generation 2 product to current production would be a tacit admission by Emotiva that the generation 3 products don't sound as good. They don't gotta admit it. Just bring back the best amp they made  But sadly yes, I think there is no way they are going to go back to gen 2. Call it the Heavy Iron gen 3 and bring it back! I'm reserving my judgment on the DR series because I haven't heard it yet, but Emotiva needs to reclaim what made them great in the amp market. Right now their Emotiva PA-1 amp is the only one that interests me. Perhaps make a big boy PA-1 version. I believe the Emersa amps were going to be just that but they've been put on indefinite hold for now. The Enever line was a joke to begin with. It was a feeler that they never closed the door on. Dealer model, and processors aren't what Emotiva is about. They should let this be the last one they ever build and start making pre amps, amplifiers, and accessories. |
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Post by pedrocols on Dec 1, 2019 15:57:57 GMT -5
What agenda would this be? And you know this how? Otherwise I do agree to some extent I would not make a purchase solely on what any of these magazines stated or recommended, but I would also not completely disregard it either. Aren't they a sponsored magazine?🤔 |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 1, 2019 16:56:49 GMT -5
They don't gotta admit it. Just bring back the best amp they made But sadly yes, I think there is no way they are going to go back to gen 2. Call it the Heavy Iron gen 3 and bring it back! I'm reserving my judgment on the DR series because I haven't heard it yet, but Emotiva needs to reclaim what made them great in the amp market. Right now their Emotiva PA-1 amp is the only one that interests me. Perhaps make a big boy PA-1 version. I believe the Emersa amps were going to be just that but they've been put on indefinite hold for now. The Enever line was a joke to begin with. It was a feeler that they never closed the door on. Dealer model, and processors aren't what Emotiva is about. They should let this be the last one they ever build and start making pre amps, amplifiers, and accessories. Well I don't know. Back in the days of the UMC-1 I would agree with ya. But now they've really got some impressive stuff with the XMC and RMC series. The only problem is that they are plagued by bug reports. If they get past the teething issues, I think they'll have some really solid stuff. But I do agree that 2 channel gear is really what they are known for and they should focus more on that. It's simply because I have no desire to try any of their X series amps. They were their own best competition. Now I feel that there is room for other companies to jump on in. Especially considering that the Hypex modules are becoming available for cheaper and cheaper. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 1, 2019 17:52:40 GMT -5
To bring back a generation 2 product to current production would be a tacit admission by Emotiva that the generation 3 products don't sound as good. They don't gotta admit it. Just bring back the best amp they made But sadly yes, I think there is no way they are going to go back to gen 2. Call it the Heavy Iron gen 3 and bring it back! I'm reserving my judgment on the DR series because I haven't heard it yet, but Emotiva needs to reclaim what made them great in the amp market. Right now their Emotiva PA-1 amp is the only one that interests me. Perhaps make a big boy PA-1 version. I believe the Emersa amps were going to be just that but they've been put on indefinite hold for now. Partsexpress sells ASC, Asp and ASX modules from icepower... Skip the rebrander and build it yourself.. |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 1, 2019 22:07:32 GMT -5
They don't gotta admit it. Just bring back the best amp they made But sadly yes, I think there is no way they are going to go back to gen 2. Call it the Heavy Iron gen 3 and bring it back! I'm reserving my judgment on the DR series because I haven't heard it yet, but Emotiva needs to reclaim what made them great in the amp market. Right now their Emotiva PA-1 amp is the only one that interests me. Perhaps make a big boy PA-1 version. I believe the Emersa amps were going to be just that but they've been put on indefinite hold for now. Partsexpress sells ASC, Asp and ASX modules from icepower... Skip the rebrander and build it yourself.. I'd prefer to buy an Emotiva product. My DIY skills are non-existent. |
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Post by bolle on Dec 14, 2019 3:56:17 GMT -5
That SummitHifi link is interesting. Looks like you can still get a XPR-5 or PA 7-350 but now with a SMPS?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 11:27:24 GMT -5
What agenda would this be? And you know this how? Otherwise I do agree to some extent I would not make a purchase solely on what any of these magazines stated or recommended, but I would also not completely disregard it either. Aren't they a sponsored magazine?🤔 What? Bite the hand that feeds them?! Read between the lines |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 11:31:24 GMT -5
They don't gotta admit it. Just bring back the best amp they made But sadly yes, I think there is no way they are going to go back to gen 2. Call it the Heavy Iron gen 3 and bring it back! I'm reserving my judgment on the DR series because I haven't heard it yet, but Emotiva needs to reclaim what made them great in the amp market. Right now their Emotiva PA-1 amp is the only one that interests me. Perhaps make a big boy PA-1 version. I believe the Emersa amps were going to be just that but they've been put on indefinite hold for now. Partsexpress sells ASC, Asp and ASX modules from icepower... Skip the rebrander and build it yourself.. Was waiting for that response  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 12:06:11 GMT -5
I worked for a company that made superior products, but their direct competitors kick our butts with better firmware & software. Embarrassing to introduce a product that didn't work properly in real world conditions.
Emotiva, are you listening?
Then we hired away some of their software engineers and guess what happened?
I so wanted to buy an Emotiva Processor (XMC-1)
My Anthem & Integra has only had 1 update each since my purchase. It's great to xn an update to expand on capabilities, but it's another having to xn updates to make it function properly and to need updates for years... whoa. (ya, I understand HDMI issues were a pain for everyone)
As for the gen 3 power supply issue (?), they will never go back to the old designs.
Easy to design & power 2 ch amp. Multichannel is different, the effects are rarely (if ever) going to pull the power the front 3 will. To me switching makes sense, design wise.
I would consider a 3 ch @ 200w and the other 4 channels @ 100w with the new SMPS
I am pleased with the XPA-5 g2.
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 14, 2019 14:27:40 GMT -5
I don’t think that they are in the position to produce too many new products or bring back old ones. The rmc/xmc is eating tons of resources and let’s hope that emo can make it. If not we will be witnessing how management can bring down a company really fast. Schiit sticking to their guns (amps/dac) is thriving.
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 14, 2019 14:37:55 GMT -5
I don’t think that they are in the position to produce too many new products or bring back old ones. The rmc/xmc is eating tons of resources and let’s hope that emo can make it. If not we will be witnessing how management can bring down a company really fast. Schiit sticking to their guns (amps/dac) is thriving. The design of the XPA-1 Gen 2 is done, no engineering required. The big thing is it doesn't need software, no complex firmware to develop and debug, it's done, they can just make it. The skill sets are very different between an analogue power amp and a processor and I just don't see how assembling and selling a well proven power amp would have any effect whatsoever on writing software for processors. They are worlds apart. Merry Xmas Gary |
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 14, 2019 16:03:45 GMT -5
I don’t think that they are in the position to produce too many new products or bring back old ones. The rmc/xmc is eating tons of resources and let’s hope that emo can make it. If not we will be witnessing how management can bring down a company really fast. Schiit sticking to their guns (amps/dac) is thriving. The design of the XPA-1 Gen 2 is done, no engineering required. The big thing is it doesn't need software, no complex firmware to develop and debug, it's done, they can just make it. The skill sets are very different between an analogue power amp and a processor and I just don't see how assembling and selling a well proven power amp would have any effect whatsoever on writing software for processors. They are worlds apart. Merry Xmas Gary Resources=money |
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Post by jdmusante on Dec 14, 2019 16:56:46 GMT -5
The design of the XPA-1 Gen 2 is done, no engineering required. The big thing is it doesn't need software, no complex firmware to develop and debug, it's done, they can just make it. The skill sets are very different between an analogue power amp and a processor and I just don't see how assembling and selling a well proven power amp would have any effect whatsoever on writing software for processors. They are worlds apart. Merry Xmas Gary Resources=money Exactly. No, you don't need an engineering budget but you do need capital if you are going to send an order to China. After following the RMC-1 owner's thread, I think brutiarti is right in that most of their resources are tied up there. Do you think that amp sales are so robust that they can keep duplication of Gen 2 & Gen 3 amps in inventory? My guess would be no. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 14, 2019 17:46:11 GMT -5
The design of the XPA-1 Gen 2 is done, no engineering required. The big thing is it doesn't need software, no complex firmware to develop and debug, it's done, they can just make it. The skill sets are very different between an analogue power amp and a processor and I just don't see how assembling and selling a well proven power amp would have any effect whatsoever on writing software for processors. They are worlds apart. Resources=money Sales = Money Merry Xmas Gary |
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 14, 2019 18:52:46 GMT -5
Sales = Money Merry Xmas Gary Sales come after investment not the other way around. It looks like you might be emo’s advisor 😂 |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 14, 2019 20:39:50 GMT -5
Sales come after investment not the other way around. It looks like you might be emo’s advisor 😂 No "investment" required in the XPA-1, they are already engineered. "Heritage" product, so make them to order, pre paid, so no need to even carry stock. Merry Xmas Gary |
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 14, 2019 23:58:41 GMT -5
Sales come after investment not the other way around. It looks like you might be emo’s advisor 😂 No "investment" required in the XPA-1, they are already engineered. "Heritage" product, so make them to order, pre paid, so no need to even carry stock. Merry Xmas Gary Yeah right, a Chinese factory is gonna make a few a month or so, nonsense |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 15, 2019 0:17:27 GMT -5
No "investment" required in the XPA-1, they are already engineered. "Heritage" product, so make them to order, pre paid, so no need to even carry stock. Yeah right, a Chinese factory is gonna make a few a month or so, nonsense Oh my, just because the originals were doesn't mean the "Heritage" releases have to be made in China. Just do what they do for the Gen 3's, order, say, 20 boards and assemble them at Franklin. As a limited, factory certified release, to the first 10 customers, sell them in pairs only. If that goes well then do another 20, say, a few months later, makes them even more desirable especially if Lonnie signs each one. It's not like they sold 1,000's of them when they were a normal product line anyway. Merry Xmas Gary |
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 15, 2019 0:28:44 GMT -5
Yeah right, a Chinese factory is gonna make a few a month or so, nonsense Oh my, just because the originals were doesn't mean the "Heritage" releases have to be made in China. Just do what they do for the Gen 3's, order, say, 20 boards and assemble them at Franklin. As a limited, factory certified release, to the first 10 customers, sell them in pairs only. If that goes well then do another 20, say, a few months later, makes them even more desirable especially if Lonnie signs each one. It's not like they sold 1,000's of them when they were a normal product line anyway. Merry Xmas Gary And that’s where the money is?? 😂 |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 15, 2019 3:11:35 GMT -5
Oh my, just because the originals were doesn't mean the "Heritage" releases have to be made in China. Just do what they do for the Gen 3's, order, say, 20 boards and assemble them at Franklin. As a limited, factory certified release, to the first 10 customers, sell them in pairs only. If that goes well then do another 20, say, a few months later, makes them even more desirable especially if Lonnie signs each one. It's not like they sold 1,000's of them when they were a normal product line anyway. And that’s where the money is?? 😂 Lots of money to be made, they were selling for $1k back in 2014 with the odd "special" at $800 and Emotiva were making money on them at that price. The engineering is fully amortised now, so anything above cost is cream. The problem is how many people are going to prefer the tried and proven Gen 2 design with switchable Class A and linear power supply over the current model? That's the risk, making good money on the XPA-1 Gen 2 itself is a no brainer. Merry Xmas Gary |
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