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Post by megash0n on Apr 23, 2020 21:40:35 GMT -5
No. None of the "sub" Modules are included. It is extra. What do you mean none of the sub modules are included? Are you saying Dirac won't deal with the up to 3 dedicated sub outputs in the RMC-1? I found the link: audioxpress.com/news/dirac-live-bass-control-now-available-through-leading-home-theater-manufacturersWhat I mean is the RMC is capable of using up to three subs right now. With Dirac full, which we paid for, those subs are treated as a normal channel. The "sub modules" from Dirac are advanced control for a single or multiple subs. These new modules are supposed to work with the RMC. The RMC does not include the cost of this additional software. If you want advanced subwoofer control, you will have to pay Dirac for the additional software keys I presume.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 23, 2020 21:41:36 GMT -5
What do you mean none of the sub modules are included? Are you saying Dirac won't deal with the up to 3 dedicated sub outputs in the RMC-1? Dirac Bass Management will be an extra cost add on option. Honestly no idea when it will be available for the RMC line (if ever). The minute I learn it won't be available on the RMC, it will go up for sale.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 23, 2020 22:04:52 GMT -5
My assumption as to why Emotiva isn't listed is either... It's no where close, or Emotiva is having to write all the code. All those other platforms may be using chips that work with Dirac's code, so they simply have to update those units. I'm unsure though if it will take anything additional with the RMC. If it is just a set of filters and such pushed down to the RMC... Hopefully the Dirac sub modules won't take any additional effort to implement.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 23, 2020 22:05:54 GMT -5
What do you mean none of the sub modules are included? Are you saying Dirac won't deal with the up to 3 dedicated sub outputs in the RMC-1? Dirac Bass Management will be an extra cost add on option. Honestly no idea when it will be available for the RMC line (if ever). This is the first time I have heard that, ever. What sense does that make, isn't that part of room correction? Audyssey includes sub management.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 23, 2020 22:08:09 GMT -5
Dirac Bass Management will be an extra cost add on option. Honestly no idea when it will be available for the RMC line (if ever). This is the first time I have heard that, ever. What's sense does that make, is that part of room correction? Audyssey includes sub management. Emotiva has been saying this for a while. They haven't hid it. The new platforms come with Dirac live... Or "full" Or whatever it's called. This sub module is something new they've just developed and is an additional license fee. Read up on the difference.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 23, 2020 22:12:36 GMT -5
This is the first time I have heard that, ever. What's sense does that make, is that part of room correction? Audyssey includes sub management. Emotiva has been saying this for a while. They haven't hid it. The new platforms come with Dirac live... Or "full" Or whatever it's called. This sub module is something new they've just developed and is an additional license fee. Read up on the difference. I'll have to read the difference. Thank you.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 23, 2020 22:15:53 GMT -5
This is the first time I have heard that, ever. What's sense does that make, is that part of room correction? Audyssey includes sub management. Emotiva has been saying this for a while. They haven't hid it. The new platforms come with Dirac live... Or "full" Or whatever it's called. This sub module is something new they've just developed and is an additional license fee. Read up on the difference. I'm assuming Dirac bass management and sub modules are the same according to what you've said? Also, honestly I use a miniDSP for my sub management, so as long as the Dirac can align my sub channel to mains perfectly that's all I need
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Post by novisnick on Apr 23, 2020 23:05:31 GMT -5
An update to my previous post on this thread. Hello my friends. I have a simple question, where the HECK is the finished product and modules that were supposed to be offered? “at a later date?” Plenty of dates have come and gone but not these dates! 🤯 Absolutely astonishing! Plenty of us would like some answers Big Dan. Yep, frustration boiling through! System is still not stable! And we are still waiting. Even the most reasonable folks patients have worn really thin!
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Post by megash0n on Apr 24, 2020 9:25:36 GMT -5
Emotiva has been saying this for a while. They haven't hid it. The new platforms come with Dirac live... Or "full" Or whatever it's called. This sub module is something new they've just developed and is an additional license fee. Read up on the difference. I'm assuming Dirac bass management and sub modules are the same according to what you've said? Also, honestly I use a miniDSP for my sub management, so as long as the Dirac can align my sub channel to mains perfectly that's all I need Yes, both terms are the same in my meaning. The is a "roadmap" For a channel expansion module from Emotiva that would give us more channels to play with. Whether they label this a sub module or not is beyond me. If they do, it's likely just because all the other channels have names already on the back of the processor. I'd say Dirac will do just fine in your case. What you will be missing is the phase and timing corrections and correlations between all the individual sub measurements and the rest of your system. We are just talking about levels of integration here. Personally, I want the whole package because I'm sick of trying to learn how to be a sound engineer. I'd rather spend time building room treatments than measuring these things. I'm planning to install my (4) 18s in a manifold, in the ceiling, along with my (2) sealed 12s. I'd prefer Dirac perform all the time and phase alignment throughout the frequency spectrum. I'm far more concerned about alignment than I am eq.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 24, 2020 17:32:35 GMT -5
I'm assuming Dirac bass management and sub modules are the same according to what you've said? Also, honestly I use a miniDSP for my sub management, so as long as the Dirac can align my sub channel to mains perfectly that's all I need Yes, both terms are the same in my meaning. The is a "roadmap" For a channel expansion module from Emotiva that would give us more channels to play with. Whether they label this a sub module or not is beyond me. If they do, it's likely just because all the other channels have names already on the back of the processor. I'd say Dirac will do just fine in your case. What you will be missing is the phase and timing corrections and correlations between all the individual sub measurements and the rest of your system. We are just talking about levels of integration here. Personally, I want the whole package because I'm sick of trying to learn how to be a sound engineer. I'd rather spend time building room treatments than measuring these things. I'm planning to install my (4) 18s in a manifold, in the ceiling, along with my (2) sealed 12s. I'd prefer Dirac perform all the time and phase alignment throughout the frequency spectrum. I'm far more concerned about alignment than I am eq. With REW and a miniDSP I align my subs together time alignment/phase to themselves so they play perfectly as one. Then all I need (as far as subs are concerned, though I would like more tuning options) for Dirac to do is align that channel with the rest of them (distance). Other than that, I also would like the BEST possible room correction software and the best possible results.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 24, 2020 17:56:12 GMT -5
Emotiva has been saying this for a while. They haven't hid it. The new platforms come with Dirac live... Or "full" Or whatever it's called. This sub module is something new they've just developed and is an additional license fee. Read up on the difference. I'm assuming Dirac bass management and sub modules are the same according to what you've said? Also, honestly I use a miniDSP for my sub management, so as long as the Dirac can align my sub channel to mains perfectly that's all I need I’m not sure what you read, but I’ve been considering ‘Dirac Bass Management’ a piece of software (w/license) that is an add-on to Dirac Live (2.x), and the ‘Sub Module’ a piece of hardware that Emotiva might produce as a plug in module for the RMC-1. As I recall, the Sub Module was supposed to allow for the addition of 4 subwoofers to the RMC-1, so if you added it to the base (not bass) RMC-1, you would have 20 channels. This is different than the ‘Four Channel Module’ which is another proposed RMC-1 plug-in adding four more channels, presumably for Atmos or DTS:X. I may not have used the same terms Emotiva did, but just wanted to add another facet (and confuse the conversation a little more 🤔). Edit: Personally I think it would be nice if they combined the ‘Four Channel Module’ and the ‘Sub Module’ into a single unit, to be used either way, but that may not be possible.
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 24, 2020 18:53:09 GMT -5
An update to my previous post on this thread.Hello my friends. I have a simple question, where the HECK is the finished product and modules that were supposed to be offered? “at a later date?” Plenty of dates have come and gone but not these dates! 🤯 Absolutely astonishing! Plenty of us would like some answers Big Dan. Yep, frustration boiling through! System is still not stable! And we are still waiting. Even the most reasonable folks patients have worn really thin!
Have you given any thought as to calling Emotiva and making your demand? Please do update us when you do.
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Post by benbvan on Apr 24, 2020 19:07:15 GMT -5
I'm assuming Dirac bass management and sub modules are the same according to what you've said? Also, honestly I use a miniDSP for my sub management, so as long as the Dirac can align my sub channel to mains perfectly that's all I need I’m not sure what you read, but I’ve been considering ‘Dirac Bass Management’ a piece of software (w/license) that is an add-on to Dirac Live (2.x), and the ‘Sub Module’ a piece of hardware that Emotiva might produce as a plug in module for the RMC-1. As I recall, the Sub Module was supposed to allow for the addition of 4 subwoofers to the RMC-1, so if you added it to the base (not bass) RMC-1, you would have 20 channels. This is different than the ‘Four Channel Module’ which is another proposed RMC-1 plug-in adding four more channels, presumably for Atmos or DTS:X. I may not have used the same terms Emotiva did, but just wanted to add another facet (and confuse the conversation a little more 🤔). Edit: Personally I think it would be nice if they combined the ‘Four Channel Module’ and the ‘Sub Module’ into a single unit, to be used either way, but that may not be possible. That's what I thought he meant originally, the software and module being two different things. To be honest, Dirac should have bass management built into the main build. What room correct doesn't? Maybe the new add-on is more extensive and the base form is in the main Dirac live. I don't need, nor do I think anyone does, a module for more subwoofers. It's only a signal. Only if you were using one in conjunction with every main channel in a multichannel system. Best bass performance is usually achieved summing the subs as one, EQ'ing for best response, and then aligning them with mains.
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Post by fritz on Apr 24, 2020 19:17:10 GMT -5
An update to my previous post on this thread.Hello my friends. I have a simple question, where the HECK is the finished product and modules that were supposed to be offered? “at a later date?” Plenty of dates have come and gone but not these dates! 🤯 Absolutely astonishing! Plenty of us would like some answers Big Dan. Yep, frustration boiling through! System is still not stable! And we are still waiting. Even the most reasonable folks patients have worn really thin!
Have you given any thought as to calling Emotiva and making your demand? Please do update us when you do.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 24, 2020 19:24:45 GMT -5
I'm assuming Dirac bass management and sub modules are the same according to what you've said? Also, honestly I use a miniDSP for my sub management, so as long as the Dirac can align my sub channel to mains perfectly that's all I need I’m not sure what you read, but I’ve been considering ‘Dirac Bass Management’ a piece of software (w/license) that is an add-on to Dirac Live (2.x), and the ‘Sub Module’ a piece of hardware that Emotiva might produce as a plug in module for the RMC-1. As I recall, the Sub Module was supposed to allow for the addition of 4 subwoofers to the RMC-1, so if you added it to the base (not bass) RMC-1, you would have 20 channels. This is different than the ‘Four Channel Module’ which is another proposed RMC-1 plug-in adding four more channels, presumably for Atmos or DTS:X. I may not have used the same terms Emotiva did, but just wanted to add another facet (and confuse the conversation a little more 🤔). Edit: Personally I think it would be nice if they combined the ‘Four Channel Module’ and the ‘Sub Module’ into a single unit, to be used either way, but that may not be possible. I'm scratching my head as to why or how either hardware module would be different. Ideally, they should be assign-able. To an extent, I'd prefer nothing new come out until the system is completely stable with optimized coding and architecture. I get that parallel things can and should occur, but it terrifies me to think about adding additional hardware complexity to this platform until it is in top notch order.
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Post by fritz on Apr 24, 2020 19:27:08 GMT -5
I totally agree with Novisnick. I have been waiting to pull the trigger and purchase the RMC-1. With the track record that I've been seeing for a long time now as to Dirac and fixes for the RMC-1 I will be keeping my money and XMC-1. Even the HDMI upgrade for the XMC-1 seems to be a joke. Also I don't believe its a demand! He is simply saying he is feed up with all the empty and false promises to make the product operate as advertised. AND no I didn't call and make a demand.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 24, 2020 19:35:43 GMT -5
I’m not sure what you read, but I’ve been considering ‘Dirac Bass Management’ a piece of software (w/license) that is an add-on to Dirac Live (2.x), and the ‘Sub Module’ a piece of hardware that Emotiva might produce as a plug in module for the RMC-1. As I recall, the Sub Module was supposed to allow for the addition of 4 subwoofers to the RMC-1, so if you added it to the base (not bass) RMC-1, you would have 20 channels. This is different than the ‘Four Channel Module’ which is another proposed RMC-1 plug-in adding four more channels, presumably for Atmos or DTS:X. I may not have used the same terms Emotiva did, but just wanted to add another facet (and confuse the conversation a little more 🤔). Edit: Personally I think it would be nice if they combined the ‘Four Channel Module’ and the ‘Sub Module’ into a single unit, to be used either way, but that may not be possible. That's what I thought he meant originally, the software and module being two different things. To be honest, Dirac should have bass management built into the main build. What room correct doesn't? Maybe the new add-on is more extensive and the base form is in the main Dirac live. I don't need, nor do I think anyone does, a module for more subwoofers. It's only a signal. Only if you were using one in conjunction with every main channel in a multichannel system. Best bass performance is usually achieved summing the subs as one, EQ'ing for best response, and then aligning them with mains. I think you should really dig in a read or watch some YouTube videos on this. From what I remember, there is a substantial difference in what this additional piece of software does. It is doing something far more than using REW. I don't think a "virtual sub" will be a thing with this software. It will be very dynamic in what it does, per frequency as needed, in relation to phase, timing, spl,etc.. On an individual sub level. Meaning... All four subs could behave differently from each other at any given time. I'm probably making this more confusing. I'm just trying to say it is far more than the bass management you are thinking. The included version of Dirac likely will be sufficient for what you are talking about. And, should be no additional cost even when Emotiva releases a channel expansion module. It isn't about what the speaker is... It's more about the way Dirac software is supposed to work with the speaker that requires the new software.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 24, 2020 23:59:13 GMT -5
An update to my previous post on this thread.Hello my friends. I have a simple question, where the HECK is the finished product and modules that were supposed to be offered? “at a later date?” Plenty of dates have come and gone but not these dates! 🤯 Absolutely astonishing! Plenty of us would like some answers Big Dan. Yep, frustration boiling through! System is still not stable! And we are still waiting. Even the most reasonable folks patients have worn really thin!
Have you given any thought as to calling Emotiva and making your demand? Please do update us when you do. Yes sir, and were almost there. 🤔 I call when I have questions or concerns, always have and always will. My Pop told my at a young age to got to the top with matters that concern me, I go as far as any company will allow. Being polite, respectful and friendly get me much more kindness and more help then being a demanding jerk. It’s not my nature to be rude.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 25, 2020 0:25:55 GMT -5
I totally agree with Novisnick. I have been waiting to pull the trigger and purchase the RMC-1. With the track record that I've been seeing for a long time now as to Dirac and fixes for the RMC-1 I will be keeping my money and XMC-1. Even the HDMI upgrade for the XMC-1 seems to be a joke. Also I don't believe its a demand! He is simply saying he is feed up with all the empty and false promises to make the product operate as advertised. AND no I didn't call and make a demand. Yes, I wouldn’t go as far as calling what I stated a demand but its just frustration. Please understand that it’s only natural at this point to be in a similar state of mind as mine. I know very well that I can return the unit and move along, thats not what I am insinuating or want to do. I just want Emotiva to hit the processor out of the park with a solid winner. I’m sure they can do it, I owned an XMC-1 and mine to me was flawless! When the promise of a newer more expandable and upgradable unit was offered I sold my XMC-1 and hoped for the best. Im still hoping but I needed to let off some steam! When you root for your team, sometimes your allowed to Boo! Ask any fan of any team from Philadelphia! LOL 🤪 That is all for now. Peace
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 25, 2020 5:59:43 GMT -5
Have you given any thought as to calling Emotiva and making your demand? Please do update us when you do. Yes sir, and were almost there. 🤔 I call when I have questions or concerns, always have and always will. My Pop told my at a young age to got to the top with matters that concern me, I go as far as any company will allow. Being polite, respectful and friendly get me much more kindness and more help then being a demanding jerk. It’s not my nature to be rude. I obviously must have misinterpreted the large bold print that normally represents internet posting protocol as a “raised” demanding voice trying to draw attention to said post. Re-reading the post still gives me the impression that it’s a calling out of sorts. Personally I make it a point to address concerns such as yours face to face or by a one on one phone call that leaves no questions as to my concerns.
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